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Mormons have never been Christian. I'm not going to explain that because that's a religious forum discussion, but no they have never been Christian at any point in their entire existence.
Indeed, you can, but it's conditional.Silian Rail said:TxAgswin said:
OP, are you a Trump supporter?
You're about the 8th person to ask that. Get another line, you can vote for some one without even liking them if they're better than the other candidate
TxTarpon said:Still puts in Trump in your koo koo big gubbermint adultery prison and Hitlery as the scorned spouse running against choir boy Jeb Bush.Quote:
If I had my way, most of DC would be in prison for this issue.
I hear that Mitt Romey guys is very moral too.
Barak Hussain Obongo is the only black man in the US that did not step out on his girl.
AggieDruggist89 said:Did your spouse just cheat on you? And you want him/her and his/her partner jailed? Is that what prompted this?BAP Enthusiast said:
I am of the opinion that adultery should be punishable by a minimum of 1 year in prison for every violation and it should be the only valid reason for divorce. I also think that you should not be allowed to marry at all unless you get a religious marriage. This would ensure all marriages are religious in nature and eliminate those who just want to get married for tax purposes.
if you don't have a religious marriage, why do you even care about faithfulness? You just have a civil union for tax purposes so who cares what your spouse does? Your marriage isn't valid in the eyes of the lord anyway.
In a marriage this is effectively as bad emotionally as milking someone and people grieve in the same way as an actual death. This topic has even been glorified in modern media and Hollywood and our politicians do it all of the time. It's an absolutely corruptive force that has no business in a civilized society.
Do you think your religion is the only one that matters?
Capitalize on something that is relevant and you can win like economics or sound financial policy.RebelE Infantry said:YouBet said:
This is how you get Handmaids Tale memes made about Republicans. We get one win and people want to push the envelope.
Same mentality by the Democrats. They just have many more zealots on their side.
They are going to make those memes no matter what. Heaven forbid the right actually press the attack and capitalize on a win for once!
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Mormons have never been Christian. I'm not going to explain that because that's a religious forum discussion, but no they have never been Christian at any point in their entire existence.
LMAO, oh so NOW this is too religious a discussion for f16?
Now that is interesting- -- haven't heard the context put that way before. So you are saying the extra degree of fussy hype, to the point that it actually blocks seeking which seems to be what Malibu was talking about, was itself a product of the sexual revolution as a push back? And the bit about women not taking virgins all that seriously in college days that sets up the loop from it in turn. How intriguing.The Banned said:Malibu2 said:Silian Rail said:You asked for prayers not to have lustful thoughts and you thought that was bad?Malibu2 said:
Wait, you read something on social media and all of a sudden that supposed to mean something as far as what the body politic of the left is supposed to think about sexual mores and morality? Do I have to respond to every dumbass on Twitter who says something stupid because they vote for candidates that I vote for?
Confession time. I once asked for prayers as a 16-year-old boy because I had lustful thoughts and was concerned for my immortal soul. That kind of sexual purity culture is toxic, and is rampant in evangelical Christianity. The idea that you should just go around sleeping with as many people as you want without any concern Is also toxic. If you if you want me to choose which one is more toxic I'll probably choose promiscuity is more harmful than believing that an interest in boobies is grounds for eternal torture.
Yes, it is bad. We are biologically hardwired to notice women and be sexually interested. There's nothing shameful or evil about that, it's toxic guilt with the looming threat of eternal punishment for merely having the same biological urges that are shared by almost everyone on the planet. Making teenagers feel like there is something not just wrong with them, but actually evil that they must cast out is harmful.
And no, that doesn't mean I'm advocating for an all you can eat porn buffet, carte blanche to be an ogling creeper, or permission to sew wild oats. I just recognize human sexuality as perfectly normal and Christian attempts to shame it ipso facto are in fact toxic.
Looks like you received the same bad catechesis (or the evangelical equivalent) that so many did in the past 5 decades. Nothing wrong with appreciating the beauty of the opposite sex. It's a good desire. Use it well. Lust isn't being attracted to boobies. It's dwelling on the desire for those boobies you can't or shouldn't have and not even trying to shut it down. Unfortunately when the sexual revolution hit, it basically became "no one look at each other or your going to hell!!!!!"
Well Pope Paul certainly nailed the effects of birth control in that.Quote:
I'm not saying this from a societal or economic standpoint because I don't know what that would look like, but from the standpoint of helping teenagers live moral lives, we'd be much better off teaching them that sex is awesome and the should do it as much as they can….. with one person that they've married. If you have a decent head on your shoulders and you've been properly trained on how to pick a quality spouse, you could pull that off at 18.
Humanae Vitae and theology of the body explain this. A lot more kids wouldn't struggle with Christian morality if they were taught well
HTownAg98 said:
Yesterday's thread was about how the gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, and today's is how adulterers should be thrown in jail. I can't wait for tomorrow's thread about how a wife should be subservient to their husband.
YouBet said:Capitalize on something that is relevant and you can win like economics or sound financial policy.RebelE Infantry said:YouBet said:
This is how you get Handmaids Tale memes made about Republicans. We get one win and people want to push the envelope.
Same mentality by the Democrats. They just have many more zealots on their side.
They are going to make those memes no matter what. Heaven forbid the right actually press the attack and capitalize on a win for once!
You are pissing into the wind on the OPs request and it's simply stupid. This is exactly how you lose everything you've gained...right here.
Completely different than this thread though. I'm with you on the bold, but you are leapfrogging that to an extreme response by the right that will never happen.BAP Enthusiast said:YouBet said:Capitalize on something that is relevant and you can win like economics or sound financial policy.RebelE Infantry said:YouBet said:
This is how you get Handmaids Tale memes made about Republicans. We get one win and people want to push the envelope.
Same mentality by the Democrats. They just have many more zealots on their side.
They are going to make those memes no matter what. Heaven forbid the right actually press the attack and capitalize on a win for once!
You are pissing into the wind on the OPs request and it's simply stupid. This is exactly how you lose everything you've gained...right here.
We'll press the attack because we know the left won't ever stop trying to indoctrinate our kids. So long as the left keeps pushing drag queens twerking in front of kids and doing strip shows for kids while trying to "crack the egg" for our kids to make them trans, we will win damn near every parent to our side.
No one cares about independents nowadays because none of them are relevant. In the future you get to choose between one side that is burning bibles while preying on children and the other side that is burning porn while pushing heavily Christian social values.
Ag_of_08 said:
The trolling on this board has gotten a bit out of hand.
That's well phrased. And they have a balancing act---- if they avoid too outright, in this society they may not get anywhere. Emphasizing gravity of it has seemed what is missing -- this is not `play' like swingset, but has emotional and even material consequences more akin to being careless flying a plane or driving a car. That's what it should be compared to. Oh, and wherever stand on the birth control/abortion divide should teach them there is no such thing as `safe' --- unless they are prepared for the instance where the girl will choose to keep a child instead of the convenient route, don't do it in a way as to sire one.Malibu2 said:
My children are young and sex isn't a topic we will get to yet, but I have started thinking about the messages that I want to give to them, mainly because Christianity wasn't entirely helpful. My approach will be heavily emphasizing gravity and responsibility around sex. It should never be a casual thing and it can have life altering consequences. But after 18 if they are in a committed monogamous relationship with someone that is responsible and emotionally healthy, I'm not going to preach marriage as the only appropriate time to have sex.
You would support Hitlery and Obongo because they don't cheat and that makes you happy for being so pious.Quote:
So? I would still support it.
I don't know what Church you belong to, but my Church, the largest Christian denomination teaches that there's nothing shameful about having thoughts, but acting upon them or entertaining them is sinful.Malibu2 said:Silian Rail said:You asked for prayers not to have lustful thoughts and you thought that was bad?Malibu2 said:BAP Enthusiast said:Malibu2 said:
Your assertion that promiscuity cannot be judge has not been proven. This is a logical fallacy that you were committing over and over again in this thread.
This is exactly what the left says all of the time constantly, everywhere. It's continuous on Social media and dating apps. Not only that, it's straight up glorified.
Wait, you read something on social media and all of a sudden that supposed to mean something as far as what the body politic of the left is supposed to think about sexual mores and morality? Do I have to respond to every dumbass on Twitter who says something stupid because they vote for candidates that I vote for?
Confession time. I once asked for prayers as a 16-year-old boy because I had lustful thoughts and was concerned for my immortal soul. That kind of sexual purity culture is toxic, and is rampant in evangelical Christianity. The idea that you should just go around sleeping with as many people as you want without any concern Is also toxic. If you if you want me to choose which one is more toxic I'll probably choose promiscuity is more harmful than believing that an interest in boobies is grounds for eternal torture.
Yes, it is bad. We are biologically hardwired to notice women and be sexually interested. There's nothing shameful or evil about that, it's toxic guilt with the looming threat of eternal punishment for merely having the same biological urges that are shared by almost everyone on the planet. Making teenagers feel like there is something not just wrong with them, but actually evil that they must cast out is harmful.
And no, that doesn't mean I'm advocating for an all you can eat porn buffet, carte blanche to be an ogling creeper, or permission to sew wild oats. I just recognize human sexuality as perfectly normal and Christian attempts to shame it ipso facto are in fact toxic.
Yukon Cornelius said:
I have wondered why those who do not practice Judaism or Christianity want to get married. It's like vegans wanting to eat food that looks and taste like meat but isn't meat.
The U.S had laws against adultery and fornication for most of the 20th century.Shagga said:
Criminalizing adultery can't be done even if there were no logistical problems. We are a free country. Two consenting adults are free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't violate the rights of others. I suppose you can make the point that in the case of a married adulterer he or she is causing harm to the spouse, but that would be a civil damages matter, not criminal.
The prohibition on adultery is a religious tenet. People are free to follow the religion of their choice, and even us religious fanatics have the choice to accept the Holy Spirit, or not. We can only be free to follow our religion if those who choose their secular religion are free to follow their own beliefs, including adultery.
Malibu2 said:
My children are young and sex isn't a topic we will get to yet, but I have started thinking about the messages that I want to give to them, mainly because Christianity wasn't entirely helpful. My approach will be heavily emphasizing gravity and responsibility around sex. It should never be a casual thing and it can have life altering consequences. But after 18 if they are in a committed monogamous relationship with someone that is responsible and emotionally healthy, I'm not going to preach marriage as the only appropriate time to have sex.
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Why not enforce daily coitus under penalty of death while you're at it?
That sounds about right. And it is true that the message if taking as spoken, does lead to a certain shame and avoid-it-all reaction. There is alot of assumptions taken for granted that somehow the `double standard' will be figured out. It sounds like your concern was with the kind when the contradiction isn't `helpfully' addressed.Malibu2 said:
One of many things that I think my father got right was taking me to the drugstore at age 14 and showing me where to buy condoms. He was very adamant that sex was some thing that should not happen before marriage, all the normal Christian stuff, but that if I was going to make a bad choice that I needed to make it in the most responsible way possible to not have a kid or get an STD. I was not sexually active at all as a young adult, but I do appreciate the combination of responsibility and deadly serious practicality that my father gave me.
Islam is much more similar to Apostolic Christianity than Christianity is to Judaism.CM Trump Voter said:HTownAg98 said:
Yesterday's thread was about how the gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, and today's is how adulterers should be thrown in jail. I can't wait for tomorrow's thread about how a wife should be subservient to their husband.
If these types only realized that they worship the same god and share many of the same values with devout Muslims...
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The OP is a perfect illustration of the insane hypocrisy of the Evangelical Right and their mindless following of a man that doesn't share any of their values.
What was the country founded on? The idea that if you had a totally white monoculture and made sure it stayed that way and everyone believed the same things you didn't need a King? That's pretty much what our liberal founding fathers thought; and sculpted the country around it.Ag_of_08 said:
That myopic view is counter to everything the country was founded on. It's anti-american.
Yes, but none of that provided much guidance on a date when momentum developed and you had to so unnaturally throw on the breaks. And yet where from there. But these kind of things probably no longer occur -- society seems so hyper-sexualized that what Malibu is describing about the messaging can no longer be related to. But it used to be a factor.Silian Rail said:I don't know what Church you belong to, but my Church, the largest Christian denomination teaches that there's nothing shameful about having thoughts, but acting upon them or entertaining them is sinful.Malibu2 said:Silian Rail said:You asked for prayers not to have lustful thoughts and you thought that was bad?Malibu2 said:BAP Enthusiast said:Malibu2 said:
Your assertion that promiscuity cannot be judge has not been proven. This is a logical fallacy that you were committing over and over again in this thread.
This is exactly what the left says all of the time constantly, everywhere. It's continuous on Social media and dating apps. Not only that, it's straight up glorified.
Wait, you read something on social media and all of a sudden that supposed to mean something as far as what the body politic of the left is supposed to think about sexual mores and morality? Do I have to respond to every dumbass on Twitter who says something stupid because they vote for candidates that I vote for?
Confession time. I once asked for prayers as a 16-year-old boy because I had lustful thoughts and was concerned for my immortal soul. That kind of sexual purity culture is toxic, and is rampant in evangelical Christianity. The idea that you should just go around sleeping with as many people as you want without any concern Is also toxic. If you if you want me to choose which one is more toxic I'll probably choose promiscuity is more harmful than believing that an interest in boobies is grounds for eternal torture.
Yes, it is bad. We are biologically hardwired to notice women and be sexually interested. There's nothing shameful or evil about that, it's toxic guilt with the looming threat of eternal punishment for merely having the same biological urges that are shared by almost everyone on the planet. Making teenagers feel like there is something not just wrong with them, but actually evil that they must cast out is harmful.
And no, that doesn't mean I'm advocating for an all you can eat porn buffet, carte blanche to be an ogling creeper, or permission to sew wild oats. I just recognize human sexuality as perfectly normal and Christian attempts to shame it ipso facto are in fact toxic.
Human sexuality is normal and is a gift from God, to be used in a proper manner. There's nothing wrong with a young man asking for prayers so he doesn't engage in masturbation of pornographic fantasy.
YouBet said:Completely different than this thread though. I'm with you on the bold, but you are leapfrogging that to an extreme response by the right that will never happen.BAP Enthusiast said:YouBet said:Capitalize on something that is relevant and you can win like economics or sound financial policy.RebelE Infantry said:YouBet said:
This is how you get Handmaids Tale memes made about Republicans. We get one win and people want to push the envelope.
Same mentality by the Democrats. They just have many more zealots on their side.
They are going to make those memes no matter what. Heaven forbid the right actually press the attack and capitalize on a win for once!
You are pissing into the wind on the OPs request and it's simply stupid. This is exactly how you lose everything you've gained...right here.
We'll press the attack because we know the left won't ever stop trying to indoctrinate our kids. So long as the left keeps pushing drag queens twerking in front of kids and doing strip shows for kids while trying to "crack the egg" for our kids to make them trans, we will win damn near every parent to our side.
No one cares about independents nowadays because none of them are relevant. In the future you get to choose between one side that is burning bibles while preying on children and the other side that is burning porn while pushing heavily Christian social values.
Unless you are approaching this from a non, win-win negotiation standpoint in that you are coming at this from an extreme angle hoping to meet somewhere in the middle?
Mine stopped making sammiches. Is that grounds for divorce or just a misdemeanor? I'm so confused now.HTownAg98 said:
Yesterday's thread was about how the gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, and today's is how adulterers should be thrown in jail. I can't wait for tomorrow's thread about how a wife should be subservient to their husband.
TxTarpon said:You would support Hitlery and Obongo because they don't cheat and that makes you happy for being so pious.Quote:
So? I would still support it.
Let's review, in your world: Trump 2016 would not have happened.
He would have been locked up in your stupid adultery prison leaving Hitlery to beat Jeb Bush.
Clown world....
Less government, more freedom
Does this count as a "religious wedding", OP, or does it have to be your religion?BAP Enthusiast said:
I am of the opinion that adultery should be punishable by a minimum of 1 year in prison for every violation and it should be the only valid reason for divorce. I also think that you should not be allowed to marry at all unless you get a religious marriage. This would ensure all marriages are religious in nature and eliminate those who just want to get married for tax purposes.
if you don't have a religious marriage, why do you even care about faithfulness? You just have a civil union for tax purposes so who cares what your spouse does? Your marriage isn't valid in the eyes of the lord anyway.
In a marriage this is effectively as bad emotionally as milking someone and people grieve in the same way as an actual death. This topic has even been glorified in modern media and Hollywood and our politicians do it all of the time. It's an absolutely corruptive force that has no business in a civilized society.
