Ags4DaWin said:

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The biggest difference between the diets of previous generations and the modern generations struggling with obesity is sugar intake.

in the 60's a stupid doctor claimed that fat was the biggest cause of heart disease. His study was flawed.

but companies used this to change the way they process food and preserve it and flavor it.

now sugar and salt are the most common preservatives and flavors.

sugar ****s with your body's metabolism, especially processed sugars. and trocks your body into storing those calories as fat.

low fat foods do nothing to help with weight. reducing carbs and sugars do alot.

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This. There must be a fundamental difference in diets between now and the 60s, 70s and 80s. Looking at pictures of crowds during those eras usually reveals only a handful, if any, fattys. Kids were much more healthy

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Rapier108 said:

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If the WuFlu didn't teach people that being obese is a bad idea, nothing will.

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I bet dying will.

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Doesn't seem to have worked. Half the people who died from COVID were fat.

Maybe if Fauci and Crew actually promoted common sense health measures like losing weight on the front end of this then we would not have destroyed society over it.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Artorias said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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And what % of the population is NFL LB?

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There are ~112 starting NFL linebackers (assuming an even split between teams running a 3-4 vs 4-3 defense.

With a population of 330M, they constitute 0.000034% of the population.

"WALL-E" is becoming as prophetic as "Idiocracy".

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PA24 said:

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When. I was a kid, a hamburger was a treat and a rare event, now it is considered part of a diet.

Also, we didn't have fast foods on every corner. I keep my weight off most of my life by putting down the fork.


Try it, it really is all about intake.

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My dad lost 30-40 pounds in his mid 60s (and has kept it off). He didnt go on any formal diet, really just two main planks.

1. an hour of power walking on the treadmill every day, rarely misses.

2. Didnt really change his diet or food intake very much except he doesn't eat bread at all and doesn't eat sweets. Eats the meat only out of burgers and sandwiches ect. Still has BBQ, fajitas, and other good meats when ever he wants.

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He cut carbs. Works like a charm.

I've lost 25 pounds from my peak weight with 20 of that being in the first two months of this year when I cut carbs.

I've always and continued to work out. Only change was cutting carbs.

1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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Exactly...we need to modernize things in this regard.

During our annual in-office insurance screening a couple years ago, I had the awkward experience of having a young overweight girl counsel me on my BMI results and tell me that I was overweight. She was sweet as could be and was just trying to do what they told her, but it was very awkward for both of us. I was 6'3" and about 225lbs and going to the gym 4-5 times a week, working big muscle groups and taking in a lot of protein and water. Was in the best shape of my life. Now a little kid has me doing more cardio since it is easier to do in shorter bursts and I am a bit leaner...I may be "healthier" on paper, per their silly metrics...but I felt better then when I was trying to get yoked. I miss regular gym time.

Artorias said:

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Have you seen fitness commercials or the SI swimsuit issue lately? A bunch of obese people plastered all over the screen/page like it is healthy/beautiful

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Considering this trend has been steady from the beginning of this graph, it's probably more so the food companies that prey on minds with marketing that we allow to operate even on children in this country, no?

I also think the body positivity movement is a joke, but this graph would be clear evidence that it's not the cause of obesity here.

BigRobSA said:

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He's saying that just using BMI is a horrible method of determining anything. When I graduated HS I was 6'7" and 245. Excellent condition. BMI would say I was fat. It's an idiotic methodology.

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Sounds like you have a clear etiology as to why you're 6'7" and weigh 245. Keep in mind, there are a woman a full foot and more shorter than you that weigh more than you do (or did in HS) and claim poor genetics and hypothyroid.

TXaggiesTX said:

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PA24 said:

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When. I was a kid, a hamburger was a treat and a rare event, now it is considered part of a diet.

Also, we didn't have fast foods on every corner. I keep my weight off most of my life by putting down the fork.


Try it, it really is all about intake.

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My dad lost 30-40 pounds in his mid 60s (and has kept it off). He didnt go on any formal diet, really just two main planks.

1. an hour of power walking on the treadmill every day, rarely misses.

2. Didnt really change his diet or food intake very much except he doesn't eat bread at all and doesn't eat sweets. Eats the meat only out of burgers and sandwiches ect. Still has BBQ, fajitas, and other good meats when ever he wants.

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I'm 52 and this is pretty much what I've done over the last few years to lose/maintain an ideal weight. Only I do a lot of strength training (like 5 days a week of multi rep intermediate weights) along with some walking/cardio. Diet wise, pretty much the same as your dad although I do still eat bread and pasta some but just at a lower percentage of my diet than I used to while upping the protein side.

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Fear InoculAg said:

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Rapier108 said:

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If the WuFlu didn't teach people that being obese is a bad idea, nothing will.

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I bet dying will.

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Doesn't seem to have worked. Half the people who died from COVID were fat.

Maybe if Fauci and Crew actually promoted common sense health measures like losing weight on the front end of this then we would not have destroyed society over it.

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Without jockeying the political angle of Fauci, CDC, and the government response to COVID... there does not seem to be much political power on either side to tackle obesity.

Nothing wrong with a little hoggin', ah the good ole days of B/CS, ICQ and AIM...

Fat people are more profitable. More food, more medical care needed, etc.

Ryan Long feels discrimination because people aren't accepting of his Morbidly Obese models.

BAP Enthusiast said:

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The Weight Replacement. https://t.co/dlzUCwwcoC

— Marcel Dumas 🇭🇹🇩🇴 (@anarchyinblack) June 21, 2022

There is absolutely no way this ends well for the US. I just don't understand how these people can look at a mirror and think "this is fine" and continue to stuff their massive gullet with candy, sweets, chips, and other processed garbage while ordering takeout 3 times a day. It's going to eventually crush our health care system if these rates keep skyrocketing like this.

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Don't worry they'll just change the definition of what it means to be fat, overwight, obese, etc. A new good normal weight will be 30-50% bodyfat, and you'll accept it in the name of DEI and anti-fat-shaming.

Hawk2007 said:

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YouBet said:

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Fear InoculAg said:

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Rapier108 said:

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If the WuFlu didn't teach people that being obese is a bad idea, nothing will.

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I bet dying will.

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Doesn't seem to have worked. Half the people who died from COVID were fat.

Maybe if Fauci and Crew actually promoted common sense health measures like losing weight on the front end of this then we would not have destroyed society over it.

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Without jockeying the political angle of Fauci, CDC, and the government response to COVID... there does not seem to be much political power on either side to tackle obesity.

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Well, unfortunately, it's now a race identity issue. I realize race is not an accurate word here, but fat people have been elevated to minority level status as their own "racial group".

So that horse has left the barn. The fat advocates are now pushing for medical groups and doctors to not even address being over weight as a negative health indicator or issue because to do so is to fat shame their patient.

They have cards at my doctor’s office now to tell them if you’d prefer not to be weighed 😭😭😭 pic.twitter.com/6jgbFfiAOO

— Dani Donovan 👩🏻‍🎨 ADHD Comics (@danidonovan) December 15, 2021

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Without jockeying the political angle of Fauci, CDC, and the government response to COVID... there does not seem to be much political power on either side to tackle obesity.

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Yeah, telling fatties (especially women) that they are indeed fatties and need to lose weight is going to end a political career. Doctors are now being pressured to not bring up obesity with their patients.

The battle is lost. Fatties are the overwhelming majority and our "democracy" and culture will bend to their desires just like it would with any other powerful demographic.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Artorias said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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And what % of the population is NFL LB?

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He's saying that just using BMI is a horrible method of determining anything. When I graduated HS I was 6'7" and 245. Excellent condition. BMI would say I was fat. It's an idiotic methodology.

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BMI is a linear scale based on height

Weight is based on volume which has a cubic relationship to height.

The taller you are, the more inaccurate BMI becomes.

BMI works well for short people. It's laughably stupid for people over 6 foot.

Artorias said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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Yep. BMI is a joke. According to BMI, I should weigh between 121 and 159 lbs.

I haven't weighed under 159 since the 6th grade, because I'm not build to be a skinny string bean that is bones with skin. In all honesty, if I weighed 159 again I'd look like I was in a German concentration camp for a few months, because I'd be devoid of anything resembling muscle mass.

I'm like most people - sedentary at work and could lose 20-30 lbs of chub (and should). But that would still put me at 190-200 lbs, and I'd be in great shape and very healthy...but would be obese according to the BMI charts.

5'11" 181 lbs.

Doing my part

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BigRobSA said:

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He's saying that just using BMI is a horrible method of determining anything. When I graduated HS I was 6'7" and 245. Excellent condition. BMI would say I was fat. It's an idiotic methodology.

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Sounds like you have a clear etiology as to why you're 6'7" and weigh 245. Keep in mind, there are a woman a full foot and more shorter than you that weigh more than you do (or did in HS) and claim poor genetics and hypothyroid.

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I'm in the 330s now. I'm 50, 51 in a month. HS was a long time ago. I got down to 280 a couple yrs ago with keto.

My point is that BMI, alone, isn't indicative of *****

After being 600+ a long time ago, my bones thickened. My skeleton weighs more now. Literally..."big boneded". That aside, I'm a fatty but am very active and have been slowly losing weight due to more labor intensive work. I'm also rarely sick, usually only needing doctors due to being a dumbass and not illness.

gbaby23 said:

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Fat people are more profitable. More food, more medical care needed, etc.

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I've long suspected that it's more profitable to treat the diseases versus cure it. Through medications, amputations, rehabilitation, devices, home health, and more medications.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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Really??

We are fat because BMI is not a good measure?????

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Not what he said at all. He just said the numbers are inflated because BMI is the measure used to determine if a person is obese. There are people who would be labeled obese based on BMI that are obviously not anywhere near obese. My daughter is 5'4" and between 140 - 150 most of the time and looks smaller than she did at 110-115, due to the fact she now has muscle and low body fat. She is size small or extra small, in clothes sizes.

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so your daughter put on 30-35 pounds of muscles??

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If she lifts weights yeah that's possible, but only if she lifts weights. If she's not doing any resistance training then that poster is lying.

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gbaby23 said:

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Fat people are more profitable. More food, more medical care needed, etc.

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I've long suspected that it's more profitable to treat the diseases versus cure it. Through medications, amputations, rehabilitation, devices, home health, and more medications.

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Chris Rock nailed this in the 90s.


"Doctors ain't cured **** since Polio"

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"Body positivity"

No one should ever feel bad about themselves. And it's weird watching this historical shift...in the 21st century, it's largely poor people that are fat. Very strange.

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It's not really strange when you think about it.

1. We have been taught to eat wrong for the last 50-60 years with the classic "food pyramid" that puts breads and carbs lowest, indicating we should eat the most of those.

2. PE and recess have been removed from a lot of elementary school cirriculums, at a time when it is vitally important to development to get out and burn calories and develop muscles, etc.

3. We are taught by the medical field that the answer to everything is a pill, not actual work or changing of your habits.

4. Highly processed food is the cheapest, and the worst for us. It has high carbs, high sugars, high salts. Try eating clean and healthy with little to no processed foods and you'll see fairly quickly that your grocery budget goes up. Not talking about organic crap, just non processed foods with fresh vegetables that aren't preserved like canned or frozen ones are.

5. Fast food is easy, and about as bad for you as you can get.

6. What incentive is there for anybody on the government dole to eat remotely healthy? There is no limitations on the Lone Star card anymore to speak of, no punishment or reduction in services for buying garbage left and right, the medical field doesn't promote healthy lifestyles in western medicine - instead they push pills, and we have a complete change in mentality now where fat people are fuggin glorified in swimsuit editions of Sports Illustrated.

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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"Body positivity"

No one should ever feel bad about themselves. And it's weird watching this historical shift...in the 21st century, it's largely poor people that are fat. Very strange.

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Body positivity my ass. If you're fat, you should feel shamed. And that's BMI of 25 and up.

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When I was 16, I was 6' tall, and weighed 190 lbs, and wore size 28 pants. I could stand flat footed under a basketball goal, jump, and grab the rim with both hands.

I probably had well less than 10% fat by body weight.

And a BMI of 26.44

I am well overweight now at 225lbs and 36 - 38 waist, but very healthy at 210 and a BMI of ~29 (goal for 2022, halfway there from 240).

So sorry you have chicken legs.

Young men have much more muscle now than they did 20 years ago. Young women even more so. A lot of this has to do with better understanding of nutrition and sports medicine.

Yes, we are much fatter than we were even 10 years ago. But BMI sucks, because it treats muscle and fat the same.

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Hawk2007 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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He's saying that just using BMI is a horrible method of determining anything. When I graduated HS I was 6'7" and 245. Excellent condition. BMI would say I was fat. It's an idiotic methodology.

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Sounds like you have a clear etiology as to why you're 6'7" and weigh 245. Keep in mind, there are a woman a full foot and more shorter than you that weigh more than you do (or did in HS) and claim poor genetics and hypothyroid.

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I'm in the 330s now. I'm 50, 51 in a month. HS was a long time ago. I got down to 280 a couple yrs ago with keto.

My point is that BMI, alone, isn't indicative of *****

After being 600+ a long time ago, my bones thickened. My skeleton weighs more now. Literally..."big boneded". That aside, I'm a fatty but am very active and have been slowly losing weight due to more labor intensive work. I'm also rarely sick, usually only needing doctors due to being a dumbass and not illness.

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I've never heard of that, crazy

BigRobSA said:

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Hawk2007 said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Fat people are more profitable. More food, more medical care needed, etc.

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I've long suspected that it's more profitable to treat the diseases versus cure it. Through medications, amputations, rehabilitation, devices, home health, and more medications.

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Chris Rock nailed this in the 90s.


"Doctors ain't cured **** since Polio"

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We cured Hepatitis C a few years ago.

Underappreciated world changer.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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Really??

We are fat because BMI is not a good measure?????

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No, we are fat because we are fat.

But the numbers are inflated if you use BMI because BMI is a crappy method of measuring what is a healthy weight.

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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Exactly...we need to modernize things in this regard.

During our annual in-office insurance screening a couple years ago, I had the awkward experience of having a young overweight girl counsel me on my BMI results and tell me that I was overweight. She was sweet as could be and was just trying to do what they told her, but it was very awkward for both of us. I was 6'3" and about 225lbs and going to the gym 4-5 times a week, working big muscle groups and taking in a lot of protein and water. Was in the best shape of my life. Now a little kid has me doing more cardio since it is easier to do in shorter bursts and I am a bit leaner...I may be "healthier" on paper, per their silly metrics...but I felt better then when I was trying to get yoked. I miss regular gym time.

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We need to do FFMI, but that will never be used because then the fats wouldn't be able to claim "it's big bones" or "it's mostly muscle" despite having a 48" waist. FFMI includes bodyfat percentage and is a far more accurate measure of overall health than BMI since it accounts for physical fitness and muscle mass.

No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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BigRobSA said:

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Hawk2007 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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He's saying that just using BMI is a horrible method of determining anything. When I graduated HS I was 6'7" and 245. Excellent condition. BMI would say I was fat. It's an idiotic methodology.

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Sounds like you have a clear etiology as to why you're 6'7" and weigh 245. Keep in mind, there are a woman a full foot and more shorter than you that weigh more than you do (or did in HS) and claim poor genetics and hypothyroid.

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I'm in the 330s now. I'm 50, 51 in a month. HS was a long time ago. I got down to 280 a couple yrs ago with keto.

My point is that BMI, alone, isn't indicative of *****

After being 600+ a long time ago, my bones thickened. My skeleton weighs more now. Literally..."big boneded". That aside, I'm a fatty but am very active and have been slowly losing weight due to more labor intensive work. I'm also rarely sick, usually only needing doctors due to being a dumbass and not illness.

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I've never heard of that, crazy

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He's lying, that's now how it works. There have been side by side x-rays of morbidly obese people with normal healthy people and the skeletons are the same damn size. Bones don't increase in mass, it's why fats break bones so easily from regular falls. They have the same bones they did when they were normal weight yet there is an additional hundreds of pounds of force on them when they fall.

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BigRobSA said:

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Hawk2007 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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He's saying that just using BMI is a horrible method of determining anything. When I graduated HS I was 6'7" and 245. Excellent condition. BMI would say I was fat. It's an idiotic methodology.

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Sounds like you have a clear etiology as to why you're 6'7" and weigh 245. Keep in mind, there are a woman a full foot and more shorter than you that weigh more than you do (or did in HS) and claim poor genetics and hypothyroid.

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I'm in the 330s now. I'm 50, 51 in a month. HS was a long time ago. I got down to 280 a couple yrs ago with keto.

My point is that BMI, alone, isn't indicative of *****

After being 600+ a long time ago, my bones thickened. My skeleton weighs more now. Literally..."big boneded". That aside, I'm a fatty but am very active and have been slowly losing weight due to more labor intensive work. I'm also rarely sick, usually only needing doctors due to being a dumbass and not illness.

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I've never heard of that, crazy

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My surgeon told me that after another doctor wanted me to drop to 245. She said my bones thickened to help support my weight and (as an example) if my skeleton as a 240 lb 17 yr old had weighed 100lbs, it might now weigh 110 lbs.

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You're an exception to the rule. And those exceptions don't make the rule.

I was 5'10" 165 when I graduated HS. 38 years later, I'm still 165 pounds with 32 inch waste. I too am an exception. And my BMI is about 24. And I consider myself almost borderline overweight.

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....and you have no muscle mass and probably have to get your wife to open jars for you.

BMI is a crappy indicator of healthy weight, period.

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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I would prefer FFMI if only because it would shut up every single one of these people and it would be impossible for them to live in denial anymore. They would have proof of their bodyfat percentage and proof of their fat free mass index (FFMI).

Then we would be able to officially say, you are a ham planet and you need to stop eating 7000 calories a day.