They have video of this sick POS with a bag of bloody cats. They blur out the image of the bag.



Disturbing new video obtained by The Post shows demented Robb Elementary School shooter Salvador Ramos grinning as he holds up a bag of blood-soaked dead cats

"He liked hurting animals," Trevino said. "I'm told he killed the cats and carried around the bag of bodies for sts and giggles

https://nypost.com/2022/05/30/new-video-shows-texas-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-holding-bag-of-dead-cats/

Let me guess. He liked to play with fire too.

Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

At some point it's negligent for the family to have known how messed up this kid was and not attempt to get him psychiatric help.

Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

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Yeah. Many serial killers start out torturing and killing animals.

But his mom said he's not a violent kid. The mom he didn't live with

Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

Sociopath is as sociopath does. He needed psychiatric intervention of one sort or another. And not to have a terrible home life. Conservatives need to show a commitment to improving or expanding access to mental health services because we, as a country, need it, and because we'll lose the fight over 2A eventually if we don't.

How long until we find out the FBI was aware of and tracking him for several years?

Need to send people away who torture animals. It's too strongly correlated to psychopathic killers to let them loose until they harm people.

ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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Agree with you that we can't commit animal abusers to mental institutions, and I'm generally against red flag laws due to their potential for massive abuse; HOWEVER, in this situation, if someone would have reported the animal abuse to the police and it came up on his record during the background check, would it have been enough to keep him from being able to buy those guns?

If not, I would be okay with expanding the law to include a conviction for animal abuse as a condition to prevent someone from being able to purchase a weapon. (And by "abuse" I mean horrible situations like what was described above, not "I left my dog in my truck for 2 minutes while I ran inside the bank and Karen called 9-1-1").

Where's PETA on this?

Marcus Brutus said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

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Yeah. Many serial killers start out torturing and killing animals.

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The thing is, his parents and grandmother had to have known for psychopaths like himself start showing at a very early age. 14 year old Ted Bundy's first victim was an eight year old.

ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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of the billions our govt wastes on ridiculous ***** I'm all for channeling money to put these types of people in institutions until they prove they are not a threat. But that's profiling and there are lot of people that aren't comfortable with that despite how accurate it could be.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3291622

I've had people call the cops on me at 7 am at 80 as my car was running and there was food and water in the passenger well for my dog. When I was sitting in the car, AC on full blast. Each time, the cops would pull up, check my DL, and say I was fine because their glasses would fog up as they looked inside with my window down.

If you want to ruin your life for awhile, watch "Don' F##k with Cat's". Horrifying.

ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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Commit them? Hell, I've seen them hauled to mental institutions by police and then returned home with a bottle of pills the same day. Compassionate care for the mentally impaired, my ass... nut jobs need to be locked away from society. Period.

mc_shipman said:

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Sociopath is as sociopath does. He needed psychiatric intervention of one sort or another. And not to have a terrible home life. Conservatives need to show a commitment to improving or expanding access to mental health services because we, as a country, need it, and because we'll lose the fight over 2A eventually if we don't.

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Why are you calling out conservatives? It was both sides that made this particular mess.

Hell, the left has turned mental illness into some sort of new god given right. Just look at the gender identity issue, where they push for the RIGHT to sexually mutilate children if a CHILD asks for it.

There is no easy fix because the old way crapped on due process and we had mentally healthy people institutionalized but letting cat killers run around is not the answer either. We need a way to institutionalize people while not letting them stay that way forever if they improve. Given how corrupt our legal system has become, I err on letting the crazies run free so long as I get to carry.

Give people like Ramos 4 white walls and someone like Nurse Ratchet to look over them and see to them till rehabilitated?

I'll take that deal.

Tom Doniphon said:

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ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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Commit them? Hell, I've seen them hauled to mental institutions by police and then returned home with a bottle of pills the same day. Compassionate care for the mentally impaired, my ass... nut jobs need to be locked away from society. Period.

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This should absolutely be part of the equation. Some of this "mental help funding" needs to involve long term insane asylums.

Tom Doniphon said:

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ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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Commit them? Hell, I've seen them hauled to mental institutions by police and then returned home with a bottle of pills the same day. Compassionate care for the mentally impaired, my ass... nut jobs need to be locked away from society. Period.

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Yes sir. One side says lock them up, the other says that's inhumane. Both sides don't want to pay for institutions, so we give them meds and turn them loose.

mc_shipman said:

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Sociopath is as sociopath does. He needed psychiatric intervention of one sort or another. And not to have a terrible home life. Conservatives need to show a commitment to improving or expanding access to mental health services because we, as a country, need it, and because we'll lose the fight over 2A eventually if we don't.

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It's not a simple thing to have a person committed against their will, which is what needed to happen here. This kid was not going to go voluntarily. All the resources in the world would not have helped.

If a child is abusive towards animals, I would almost be willing to not allow them to purchase a gun until at least 21.

Owlagdad said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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Commit them? Hell, I've seen them hauled to mental institutions by police and then returned home with a bottle of pills the same day. Compassionate care for the mentally impaired, my ass... nut jobs need to be locked away from society. Period.

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Yes sir. One side says lock them up, the other says that's inhumane. Both sides don't want to pay for institutions, so we give them meds and turn them loose.

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It is so insane to me that allowing mentally ill people to fend for themselves on the strret, succumb to addiction and die is more h UK mane than commitment to an asylum with 3 hots and a cot. It makes zero sense that casting them to the street is considered the compassionate solution.

If we could reduce the homeless popluation to sane drifers and situationally homeless, we could get the unemployed back to work and let the hobos be hobos. There will always be homeless but it does not have to be the way it is now.

mc_shipman said:

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Sociopath is as sociopath does. He needed psychiatric intervention of one sort or another. And not to have a terrible home life. Conservatives need to show a commitment to improving or expanding access to mental health services because we, as a country, need it, and because we'll lose the fight over 2A eventually if we don't.

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Yes, 100% needed to be committed. The destruction of the mental health structure in this country has had an incredibly deleterious effect on society. Yes that system was rife with abuse and absolutely needed to be reformed. Dumping those people on the streets and into the prisons was not the right answer.

aezmvp said:

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mc_shipman said:

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Sociopath is as sociopath does. He needed psychiatric intervention of one sort or another. And not to have a terrible home life. Conservatives need to show a commitment to improving or expanding access to mental health services because we, as a country, need it, and because we'll lose the fight over 2A eventually if we don't.

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Yes, 100% needed to be committed. The destruction of the mental health structure in this country has had an incredibly deleterious effect on society. Yes that system was rife with abuse and absolutely needed to be reformed. Dumping those people on the streets and into the prisons was not the right answer.

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Yes. There are more safeguards now. No one does lobotomies on the unsuspecting anymore. They would be safer in institutions than on streets or in actual abusive homes. Neglect and letting one run is a form of abuse.
But these people actually know boundaries and can be taught to work and get along if they want their freedom, consequences are you stay locked up if you fail.
They don't need group therapy and psychedelics, but work and skills. And you can't house them amongst $8.00 an hour goons/staff, who are a little above the inmates and expect progress.
Laws about voluntary and involuntary commitment need to be tweaked.

Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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He had his reasons, don't judge him. [/mom]

I'm not trying to be snarky, seriously, but what exactly do you think the people that knew he was a psycho could do before the shooting event? If he hadn't broken a serious laws he'd have still ended up back at home and he'd have still have the same access.

I'm doubtful anyone around him had the funding to put him into a private psych facility. There are practically no public ones - and the few we have all have waiting lists for years. They are also generally awful and result in a lot of people eventually getting out much worse than they went in.

I'm also not positive he wasn't cleaver enough to say the right things and score low enough to avoid forced admission.

We have almost no structure for people that we know have no business freely participating in normal society.



Unfortunately I have some of my best friends who adopted a special needs child (chromosome issues) and as he grew up - a lot of psych stuff became quite serious. He's got insurance, so he's had things like a short stay inpatient evaluation and lots of meds. But he continues to come home, and he's a growing risk. They keep no guns or long knives in the house. They never leave him alone with other kids new to him. He's absolutely the kid who would rage and shoot up a school.

His parents know it. The school knows it. His neighbors know it.

This is not an isolated case either. I remember about 10 years ago one poster here shared that they were in a VERY similar situation with their own son. He lacked empathy of any kind from the day he was born. The normal processing of cause and effect was very different with him. The dad did everything he could, but the lack of options for outside help was amazing and scary.

FrioAg 00 said:

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We have almost no structure for people that we know have no business freely participating in normal society.
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His parents know it. The school knows it. His neighbors know it.

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I can attest to this from being a youth sports coach. Some children have ZERO chance in life and show signs all day long. Worst kid I had would walk by baseball bats acting like he was testing the sharpness of a sword with his fingers. If you left him alone he would grab a bat after testing them, walk behind another boy sitting down, and size up the kids neck and rare back like he was going to chop a head off.

8 years old. Ultimately had to stop letting him touch bats outside of handing him a bat on way to hit.

I believe this is all to change the narrative about gun owners and mental Illness to get guns out of people's hands that they can declare mentally ill

This is a CIA plant.

Got fronted money... bulletproof vest, Daniel defense ar 15s, military grade optics, military grade ammo, Ford f 250s, expensive dresses, door open, pd ordered to stand down, and 3 months of working at Wendy's 10 to 15 hours per week. This guy had a plan and a purpose and did it despite buying rifles what 2 weeks ago?


Fortunately a border patrol in shorts and flup flops with the barbers shot gun shot him while the pd were in body armor outside waiting

He did not have body armor.

Animal abuse crimes should also be banned from buying guns if they aren't already. Juvenile record should also not be wiped.

You're talking about a different deal I believe.... the guy at the barbershop wasn't the same shooter IIRC.

Emotional Support Cobra said:

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Owlagdad said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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Commit them? Hell, I've seen them hauled to mental institutions by police and then returned home with a bottle of pills the same day. Compassionate care for the mentally impaired, my ass... nut jobs need to be locked away from society. Period.

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Yes sir. One side says lock them up, the other says that's inhumane. Both sides don't want to pay for institutions, so we give them meds and turn them loose.

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It is so insane to me that allowing mentally ill people to fend for themselves on the strret, succumb to addiction and die is more h UK mane than commitment to an asylum with 3 hots and a cot. It makes zero sense that casting them to the street is considered the compassionate solution.

If we could reduce the homeless popluation to sane drifers and situationally homeless, we could get the unemployed back to work and let the hobos be hobos. There will always be homeless but it does not have to be the way it is now.

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The problem is committing someone against their will. There is a group of people who will fight against that tooth and nail because, "liberty," and, "more freedom is always the answer," as short sighted and one sided as that take is. Their personal right to freedom and ****ing up their own life comes at the cost of allowing them to **** up other people's because that's what it takes to commit a crime and have them jailed (or dead). You can thank the champions of civil liberties for this mess.

mc_shipman said:

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Sociopath is as sociopath does. He needed psychiatric intervention of one sort or another. And not to have a terrible home life. Conservatives need to show a commitment to improving or expanding access to mental health services because we, as a country, need it, and because we'll lose the fight over 2A eventually if we don't.

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Spot.ON. (imo)
He was (most likely) doomed from the moment he was born. To parents that didn't want him, and then foisted on Grandparents that couldn't handle what he'd become. The only attention he could count on was NEGATIVE attention.
As a result, a classroom full of students and a couple of teachers paid the ultimate price for the complete FAILURE of his PARENTS. THEY have the blood of these innocents on their hands. And they should NEVER be allowed by society to forget it.