I just thought this was an important piece of information from a student in Uvalde that says he knew the gunman well. This is from a local news station. The student being interviewed says the gunman was not bullied, actually tried to bully others (but got upset when it wouldn't work), picked fights with people and also hurt animals. The bottom line, this guy was crazy.

He sounds like a simple psychopathic personality.

He was simply evil.

Satan went fishing and caught himself a trophy.

We had a lot of those at my high school. We called them pachookos (sp?).

Yes, and no one paid attention. There should have been intervention by family members to inform the police that he was acting crazy. This is a familiar pattern. I do think it is worthy of asking who was the person who sold him the weapons and the ammo. In a small town the gun shop should have informed the police that this was an unusual purchase even though it may have been legal.

What about family life?

All I have seen is mother kicked him out and he lived with grandmother.

Soooooooo somebody did a very poor job of raising this kid.

From what I have read/heard on news is his home life was a wreck. Mom is an addict who has spent time in and out of jail, dad not in the picture.

AgBQ-00 said:

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From what I have read/heard on news is his home life was a wreck. Mom is an addict who has spent time in and out of jail, dad not in the picture.

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If such is the case the chances of him being abused by one of mother's boyfriends is very high.

But what would happen?

Acting crazy isn't really a crime. Being a mean, psycho and being "turned in" before a crime is committed results in what, a talking to?

We always talk about the red flags and the known risks, but the problem is what the hell can anyone do?


This little psycho is the perfect example. No real crimes on his record. Everyone seemed to know he was evil. He saves up his money and waits until the day he turns legal age to buy guns - then kills his grandma and shoots up a school. You cannot design a law that will stop him.

Mom is 39 and has been living with a 62 year old boyfriend for over a year. In a community like this, oftentimes means an addict living with someone who pays for her habit and/or a women who had a history of being abused by an older man. 62 year old boyfriend says the kid was extremely anti-social (wouldn't speak, even if addressed directly), had intense fights with mom, and moved in with grandma a few months ago after an intense fight with mom about the wifi

Had a juvenile record...arrested 4 years ago.
Amazing failure that he passed a background check and allowed to purchase the guns

Is this the same person from 2018?

One was 14 and the other 13. The 14 yr old would have flipped to 18 this year.

https://www.kens5.com/amp/article/news/crime/two-teens-arrested-in-mass-casualty-plot-in-2018-targeting-a-uvalde-middle-school/273-548565605

From the article

"Uvalde CISD issued a statement on Thursday:

Our school district is committed to the safety and education of all our students and we want to clearly communicate about safety issues when they arise. One of our Morales Junior High students was experiencing a crisis. Upon rendering aid and support, the student revealed a future plan to conduct a school shooting in the year of 2022. "

"No, it's the guns that are wrong"

I have not seen confirmation that he was one of the two, but it seems likely. I guess it's possible he was "inspired" by these two

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Had a juvenile record...arrested 4 years ago.
Amazing failure that he passed a background check and allowed to purchase the guns

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Well yeah.

A part of criminal justice reform is a less punitive approach to juvenile delinquents.

Color me shocked that this kid didn't have a father figure in the picture

Aren't a lot of juvenile records seamed so that up to a point dumb stuff doesn't wreck your life?

Or is this yet another case of info not getting to NICS?

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Soooooooo somebody did a very poor job of raising this kid.

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Some people are just evil and there is nothing to be done
The mother kicked him out
We used to have places to send these tyoes

If I was betting, I would say the kid was always in trouble early in his school years. If they could drag the Mom up to the school, she then would defend hell out of his behavior, both would learn that if they shouted school officials down they would relent, especially if kid was SPED. But eventually, he kept doing same old stuff, and Mom told school to do what they want , she was tired of him and tired of getting dressed and coming to school (Had one Mom call me and tell me, to "please come get this little mofo before I kill him". )

Kid was set up to fail, and all factors discussed here added up to someone who was delusional.

We all agree he was very obviously evil. I still want to know who (if anyone) he was chatting or communicating with in the weeks/months prior to the shooting.

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Clob94 said:

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Soooooooo somebody did a very poor job of raising this kid.

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Some people are just evil and there is nothing to be done
The mother kicked him out
We used to have places to send these tyoes

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No father and his drug addicted mother sent him out to live with his ex convict grandfather and mother. Real stable environment for a young man.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html

Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'

What about the purchase was unusual? If there were any red flags during the sale, they should have just denied the sale.

If he was the one arrested in 2018 for planning to shoot up a school that should go on his record and the FBI should have not allowed him to purchase a firearm. Pretty simple

There are around 1,100 high school students at a time in Uvalde which is not a big school. I have seen a few politicians say one of the two students planning on a school shooting was him but it needs the 48 hour rule.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html

Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'

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It shouldn't matter how old he was at the time, if the system made any sense this should have caused him to be flagged in NICS. That he could turn 18 and have a clear record to buy firearms is just an absurdity.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html

Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'

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It shouldn't matter how old he was at the time, this should have caused him to be flagged in NICS. That he could turn 18 and have a clear record to buy firearms is just an absurdity.

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Agreed but his juvenile record was likely sealed.

Apparently CNN the mom was interviewed in Spanish only.

And herein, as is seeming to be the case, you may just find how the policies of ideologues have contributed to broken families (which creates a a slew of compounding factors), antisocial youth, and then ignoring and concealing their juvenile criminal behavior.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html

Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'

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It shouldn't matter how old he was at the time, if the system made any sense this should have caused him to be flagged in NICS. That he could turn 18 and have a clear record to buy firearms is just an absurdity.

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The bigger absurdity is there are people who believe it's some god given right he be allowed to do that. Extremism is blocking any kind of growth from society and our country. The extremists are behaving like children covering their ears and closing their eyes screaming we can't hear you attempting to fall back on any progress meaning banning all guns. Common sense says he should not have been sold a gun for various reasons. To deny that is simply unexplainable. No one had realistically suggested banning all guns it's a dead end rationalization to never progress forward. Why should some document from the 1600s be some end all be all for society now. The two time periods may as well be 2 different planets.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html

Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'

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It shouldn't matter how old he was at the time, this should have caused him to be flagged in NICS. That he could turn 18 and have a clear record to buy firearms is just an absurdity.

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Agreed but his juvenile record was likely sealed.

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Definitely. It just blows my mind that such a weak point in the system was allowed to remain. There are some actions that, even if done by a juvenile, should follow that person for the rest of their life. I'm not entirely sure why we allow someone like this back into the public so easily for that matter. I don't care that he was a juvenile, anyone threatening, plotting or attempting a mass shooting event should not be allowed in the general public. It's a mind numbingly stupid policy.

redcrayon said:

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html

Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'

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If correct, then we actually have a hole and massive failure in the system.

Juvenile or not, it should have been on his permanent record. Keeping juvenile records sealed for minor stuff is fine, no reason to ruin a kid's life for being an idiot. However, being arrested for threatening and planning a mass shooting should be an automatic flag on one's record, period.

If Congress wants to do something, this is a fix they could pass which I doubt anyone would have a problem with.

Hurting animals is always the big red flag IMO

Owlagdad said:

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If I was betting, I would say the kid was always in trouble early in his school years. If they could drag the Mom up to the school, she then would defend hell out of his behavior, both would learn that if they shouted school officials down they would relent, especially if kid was SPED. But eventually, he kept doing same old stuff, and Mom told school to do what they want , she was tired of him and tired of getting dressed and coming to school (Had one Mom call me and tell me, to "please come get this little mofo before I kill him". )

Kid was set up to fail, and all factors discussed here added up to someone who was delusional.

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this is the typical situation with majority of the screwed up kids. If the kid is as screwed up as this one normally the parent(s) are too. Hence they don't want CPS, or any other help from outside resources snooping around their lives when the school recommends it. Once any help is denied normally it is out of the schools hands and they just sweep it under the rug and move the little ******* along in hopes he graduates, moves, or gets outa the school ASAP without doing anything terrible.

Same old song and dance every public ISD does.

Like I and others have noted numerous times. Their is a reason every mass shooter generally comes from a wrecked family and has numerous instances of behavior problems growing up.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860977/Texas-Rep-Tony-Gonzalez-Uvalde-gunman-arrested-4-years-ago-threatening-shoot-school.html

Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales says Uvalde gunman was arrested FOUR YEARS ago after telling people he planned to 'shoot up a school once he's a senior in 2022'

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It shouldn't matter how old he was at the time, this should have caused him to be flagged in NICS. That he could turn 18 and have a clear record to buy firearms is just an absurdity.

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Agreed but his juvenile record was likely sealed.

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Maybe that's a law that should change. To be perfectly honest, I've never liked the juvenile record bull**** in the first place. When those two girls that stole the car and killed the driver never got charged just cause they were 16/17, that was absurd.

The majority of school shooters are <19 years old. Start treating them like adults once they hit high school.