Animal cruelty can be a felony in Texas which would have prevented him from buying a gun

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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of the billions our govt wastes on ridiculous ***** I'm all for channeling money to put these types of people in institutions until they prove they are not a threat. But that's profiling and there are lot of people that aren't comfortable with that despite how accurate it could be.

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Until the people that decide who should go to these institutions say that having a certain view point makes you insane and needing to go to these institutions.

ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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How about we put them on a list where they have to get interviewed by the local Sheriff and a psychologist before they can buy a gun?

ChrisTAMU said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Every single time.

People know about these freaks, and do nothing about them.

Hurting animals is one of the biggest red flags that a person is extremely unstable and likely to move on to hurting or killing people.

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I agree with you, 100%. But what do we do? Commit people to institutions for killing animals? I personally would be all for that but I'd like to know what's possible.

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Kennedy made it impossible!

bevokilla said:

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Animal cruelty can be a felony in Texas which would have prevented him from buying a gun

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Except he'd have been convicted as a minor and it would've been unlikely, though not impossible, that the conviction would've been reported to NICS.

These people aren't tough to identify. The solution, if the family is too disfunctional to act, is to press these folks with the full weight of other existing laws. Sociopaths are committing crimes constantly. Communities need to hold their feet to the fire so that they're locked away long before they get to this point.

Conservatives have to be the ones to champion mental health services because we also champion the second amendment. Responsible gun owners need to make sure that firearms are used to defend the weak rather than attack them, and part of that is ensuring absolutely broken individuals can't get the tools to do this kind of thing.

Dems have a standard seemingly proactive response to every public shooting. Bans guns shouted from every platform. Republicans have the passive response of "No, we won't ban guns because this is a mental health problem." It frequently doesn't sit well with Johnny Q Public, so conservatives need to actually champion mental health both because it is a good thing to do and because it gives them a proactive stance to take.

Liberals enable much of this, as you say, because it feeds into their political platform. I would have a hard time believing that their efforts would be aimed at creating healthy people rather than lifelong loyalists. Mental health should be about actual health rather than programming a human.

100%

It's pretty difficult to develop a moral compass when it's obvious from Day 1 of your life that no one wanted you or ever loved you


Obviously what manifested was an 18 year old beyond evil, but I'm just pointing out that others showed a lot of evil in his life leading to this point

mc_shipman said:

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Conservatives have to be the ones to champion mental health services because we also champion the second amendment. Responsible gun owners need to make sure that firearms are used to defend the weak rather than attack them, and part of that is ensuring absolutely broken individuals can't get the tools to do this kind of thing.

Dems have a standard seemingly proactive response to every public shooting. Bans guns shouted from every platform. Republicans have the passive response of "No, we won't ban guns because this is a mental health problem." It frequently doesn't sit well with Johnny Q Public, so conservatives need to actually champion mental health both because it is a good thing to do and because it gives them a proactive stance to take.

Liberals enable much of this, as you say, because it feeds into their political platform. I would have a hard time believing that their efforts would be aimed at creating healthy people rather than lifelong loyalists. Mental health should be about actual health rather than programming a human.

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Sorry for the late reply but I just saw this. I agree with you in principal but like red flag laws the left will weaponize any law that lets them take guns or better yet destroy those law biding citizens that have them.

If you can propose a way to put mr. cat killer in an asylum without them doing it to a regular joe by bending the rules or sending a trumped up charge to one of their rigged judges, let us hear it.

A mentioned earlier, in Texas as least, it's a 3rd degree felony to torture an animal or in a cruel manner kill or cause serious bodily injury to an animal. (TPC 42.092) So ethical hunting, or snapping a chicken's neck before cooking it don't qualify. Leaving Rover in the car is a misdemeanor.

So a conviction would bar him from possessing firearms (and bond conditions can be set to disallow possession of firearms while awaiting trial as well). The problem is, with a juvenile, the conviction disappears when they turn 18.

Maybe make a mental health screening mandatory before release.

Daddy said:

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I believe this is all to change the narrative about gun owners and mental Illness to get guns out of people's hands that they can declare mentally ill

This is a CIA plant.

Got fronted money... bulletproof vest, Daniel defense ar 15s, military grade optics, military grade ammo, Ford f 250s, expensive dresses, door open, pd ordered to stand down, and 3 months of working at Wendy's 10 to 15 hours per week. This guy had a plan and a purpose and did it despite buying rifles what 2 weeks ago?


Fortunately a border patrol in shorts and flup flops with the barbers shot gun shot him while the pd were in body armor outside waiting

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Uh… so no one has pointed out that this is bat sheet crazy? The shooter is a CIA plant? That's quite the leap. It's technically not impossible, but it is unreasonable to claim it as fact based on the flimsy evidence provided.