https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/05/13/netflix-culture-memo-n2607204

They're gonna push it harder. Their most popular show right now is about two 14 year old boys falling in love.

ScapeGOAT said:

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They're gonna push it harder. Their most popular show right now is about two 14 year old boys falling in love.

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Depending on your role, you may need to work on titles you perceive to be harmful. If you'd find it hard to support our content breadth, Netflix may not be the best place for you.

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That is awesome.

ScapeGOAT said:

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They're gonna push it harder. Their most popular show right now is about two 14 year old boys falling in love.

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Yeah - still gross.

ScapeGOAT said:

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They're gonna push it harder. Their most popular show right now is about two 14 year old boys falling in love.

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In the really woke school districts this show is what the coach teaching history will put on instead of a film.

Their bleeding of subscribers and trading near 5yr lows in a streaming environment with , what 5-10x the competition, would indicate that if they plan on surviving they're going to have to change.

Full disclosure... I'm not a Netflix user. But everything I've heard says their current originally produced content isn't very good and their overlapping offerings don't stand them apart in any meaningful ways from their competitors.

Not logical:

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"While every title is different, we approach them based on the same set of principles: we support the artistic expression of the creators we choose to work with; we program for a diversity of audiences and tastes; and we let viewers decide what's appropriate for them, versus having Netflix censor specific artists or voices."

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Also; they're probably thinking - okay we've gone far enough left for now, time set the new middle way over here...

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Their bleeding of subscribers and trading near 5yr lows in a streaming environment with , what 5-10x the competition, would indicate that if they plan on surviving they're going to have to change.

Full disclosure... I'm not a Netflix user. But everything I've heard says their current originally produced content isn't very good and their overlapping offerings don't stand them apart in any meaningful ways from their competitors.

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That used to be the case, but it has improved. Ozark, Stranger Things, Longmire, Cobra Kai. All good stuff.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/05/13/netflix-culture-memo-n2607204

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They paid Hussein and Big Mike millions for propaganda. Don't bet on any meaningful change.

I think the criticism of Netflix has been too harsh. I do think they try to provide content to a wide variety of interests, and yes I think they overvalued woke content. It didn't used to be that way in the beginning and their original content was better then than it is now.

I think they got caught up in a feedback loop on the woke stuff that they are now realizing. It may be in part attributed to the way the algorithms work. I might watch a series because it is sci-fi even though it may have some content which I object. The algorithms aren't going to know that I like X about a show but not Y. So it catalogues that I like X AND Y. If content Y shows up in a disproportionately large percent of content by pushing (attributed to perhaps editorial choice by Netflix programmers), then it will promulgate even further.

I think Netflix does tend to push a little bit more woke than would otherwise be offered, but it is being amplified falsely I think by their data collection. I think this differs say from Disney which has made quite clear that they don't give a damn about their consumers, they are all-in on pushing an agenda.

Almost every Netflix original is extremely woke with a LGB plot line in every show and most antagonist are white men. Some of the shows are still good, but it really is obvious when you look for it to see the writers promotion of progressive ideals and biases. I think Netflix quite clearly goes out of their way to insert progressive ideals into their shows.

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Almost every Netflix original is extremely woke with a LGB plot line in every show and most antagonist are white men. Some of the shows are still good, but it really is obvious when you look for it to see the writers promotion of progressive ideals and biases. I think Netflix quite clearly goes out of their way to insert progressive ideals into their shows.

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Is it Netflix telling movie directors to make it woke or is it movie director's own prerogative? Maybe it is just the choices of content we choose. I don't know how Netflix acquires their 'Netflix Original' content. How much, if any, do they actually produce and therefore have some control over the direction of the content? I know quite a bit of the content is just licensed and they would not have had control of the content creation.

The stuff I watch doesn't seem to have as much woke as many others claim. It may also depend on how sensitive each person is to what classifies as 'woke'.

Granted, I like a lot of Asian foreign content which tends to be less woke than American and European content so maybe it's just me.

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bmks270 said:

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Almost every Netflix original is extremely woke with a LGB plot line in every show and most antagonist are white men. Some of the shows are still good, but it really is obvious when you look for it to see the writers promotion of progressive ideals and biases. I think Netflix quite clearly goes out of their way to insert progressive ideals into their shows.

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Is it Netflix telling movie directors to make it woke or is it movie director's own prerogative? Maybe it is just the choices of content we choose. I don't know how Netflix acquires their 'Netflix Original' content. How much, if any, do they actually produce and therefore have some control over the direction of the content? I know quite a bit of the content is just licensed and they would not have had control of the content creation.

The stuff I watch doesn't seem to have as much woke as many others claim. It may also depend on how sensitive each person is to what classifies as 'woke'.

Granted, I like a lot of Asian foreign content which tends to be less woke than American and European content so maybe it's just me.

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I am referring specifically to Netflix original content, so yeah it's Netflix produced, It's their writers, editors, and gate keepers making decisions on the content.

Weren't the anti-midas touch Socialist Lovebirds (The Obamas) hired on as consultants or something?

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Almost every Netflix original is extremely woke with a LGB plot line in every show and most antagonist are white men. Some of the shows are still good, but it really is obvious when you look for it to see the writers promotion of progressive ideals and biases. I think Netflix quite clearly goes out of their way to insert progressive ideals into their shows.

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I just watched the season 1 of Welcome to Eden, which is a Spanish production. It is a pretty stupid show, but I found it curious that the main antagonist is a white female environmentalist egomaniacal nut job. There is however, plenty of LGB to go around. Not surprisingly really considering the Euro origins. Still....

How do you know that the specific shows you are referring are written and produced by Netflix? Not trying to be critical of you, just honestly curious if you research every show to see if it was actually produced by Netflix or licensed.

Obama

I know only that Netflix originals tend to promote progressive ideals. Whether they are producing it or licensing the content is beside the point, the point being that what they choose to promote as Netflix original tend to be progressive.

Would be nice if they put an LGTBQ+ content warning on their shows.

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I know only that Netflix originals tend to promote progressive ideals. Whether they are producing it or licensing the content is beside the point, the point being that what they choose to promote as Netflix original tend to be progressive.

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I think the distinction is important when you couple it with my other point regarding the data feedback. Buying licenses of content that their algorithms are telling them is popular is different than deciding to produce and write their own woke content. I draw a distinction between what Netflix does and what Disney does because Netflix has and still does, to some degree, offer some decent stuff. I can't find anything redeemable from Disney these days.

Maybe it is too fine a line to try to draw when the fact remains is that there is too much wokeism in all content across the board from every provider. I just think it is unfair that Netflix seems to get more than its share of criticism than its competitors.

ScapeGOAT said:

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They're gonna push it harder. Their most popular show right now is about two 14 year old boys falling in love.

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Yeah.

But it is also British

Could it be that once you get toe 250M users and Disney and HBO Max starts to get in the game, they naturally are going to peak?


Narcos and Ozark are some of the best entertainment on any platform created in the last 5 years. First season of Stranger Things. Peaky Blinders...I can go on. They have a lot of good shows that are not "woke".

They need to reinvent into other forms of entertainment and update their business model as Disney and HBO Max catch up.

There isn't a SINGLE network that dosent produce "woke" content.

I think what they are seeing is that their Non Woke content or at least not overtly Woke content is popular and has staying power. The Woke stuff either bombs or has a quick flash. For instance this is all good and popular stuff that people go back to:

Stranger Things
Ozark
The Last Kingdom
Cobra Kai

The issue is you go to the site and it has all these subcategories you have to wade through on "Black Voices" "LBQTQ" "Women's voices", and on and on. There is always a finite amount of content they can have to develop or push and when such a significant portion is Woke it isn't interesting. The other issue is that HBO, Hulu, Starz, etc. are all doing the same thing so you end up with a super saturated market pushing for a small audience. If you force people to have to search and search just to find something that interests them they leave.

BTW, the other small tremor that is happening is stuff like Daily Wire going into movies and content. There is clearly an opening there for folks either on the right or just not woke who want to watch good content and not have to have it all be 20 or more years old. People like comedies that make you laugh for instance and woke comedy by definition is terrible because it is designed to preach at you and not offend. People want to be entertained.

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I think what they are seeing is that their Non Woke content or at least not overtly Woke content is popular and has staying power. The Woke stuff either bombs or has a quick flash. For instance this is all good and popular stuff that people go back to:

Stranger Things
Ozark
The Last Kingdom
Cobra Kai

The issue is you go to the site and it has all these subcategories you have to wade through on "Black Voices" "LBQTQ" "Women's voices", and on and on. There is always a finite amount of content they can have to develop or push and when such a significant portion is Woke it isn't interesting. The other issue is that HBO, Hulu, Starz, etc. are all doing the same thing so you end up with a super saturated market pushing for a small audience. If you force people to have to search and search just to find something that interests them they leave.

BTW, the other small tremor that is happening is stuff like Daily Wire going into movies and content. There is clearly an opening there for folks either on the right or just not woke who want to watch good content and not have to have it all be 20 or more years old. People like comedies that make you laugh for instance and woke comedy by definition is terrible because it is designed to preach at you and not offend. People want to be entertained.

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I scroll down 11 categories before I even get to a "woke" one. Women behind the camera.


What are you people watching where Black Voices and 19th Century BiSexual Romance in the Far East are categories you are recommended?

TheEternalPessimist said:

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/05/13/netflix-culture-memo-n2607204

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"We just lost subscribers for the first time ever and took a beating for it. Dave Chappelle makes us a metric sh/t-ton of money. He isn't going anywhere, but you are free to leave if that hurts your delicate sensibilities. Signed, the Under Seiged Upper Managment of Netflix."

I have not seen The Last Kingdom yet, but all of the other shows mentioned have had LGB content in them. I like all three shows and they are bright spots on Netflix's lineup.

Does merely having LGB parts in them make them woke? Or does the shows entire premise have to be pushing an agenda to make them 'woke'? It is not always an easy distinction to make.

Sometimes for me it just boils down to a gut reaction. Does the character being gay feel forced or is it important to tell the story.

Of the examples given, in Stranger Things, Robin feels forced. She serves no purpose other to needlessly frustrate Steve. The story could have survived completely intact without that part.

By contrast, in Ozark (I can't remember the character's names) the agent who had a gay affair with the Langmore family member was much more important to the progress of the story.

Another favorite gay character of mine is Jeri Hogarth from the various Marvel series. Her homosexuality was critical in defining that character and in much of her actions in the story telling.

To me, tokenism is insulting and offensive wherever it is done. I really dislike superficial appeals.

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/05/13/netflix-culture-memo-n2607204

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They paid Hussein and Big Mike millions for propaganda. Don't bet on any meaningful change.

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I think change is coming. They cancelled one of Meghan Markle's woke projects without a second thought after the subscriber loss. They're belt tightening and taking a long look at the balance sheet. I think this memo, adding with their CEO's refusal to step down from his being of Dave Chappelle is an indication that they've come to the conclusion that money outweighs politics and they can't afford to cater to a specific group.

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Depending on your role, you may need to work on titles you perceive to be harmful. If you'd find it hard to support our content breadth, Netflix may not be the best place for you.

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That is awesome.

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Depends on what they mean. It could just as easily be interpreted as, "Don't like groomer programming? Get out."

American Hardwood said:

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I have not seen The Last Kingdom yet, but all of the other shows mentioned have had LGB content in them. I like all three shows and they are bright spots on Netflix's lineup.

Does merely having LGB parts in them make them woke? Or does the shows entire premise have to be pushing an agenda to make them 'woke'? It is not always an easy distinction to make.

Sometimes for me it just boils down to a gut reaction. Does the character being gay feel forced or is it important to tell the story.

Of the examples given, in Stranger Things, Robin feels forced. She serves no purpose other to needlessly frustrate Steve. The story could have survived completely intact without that part.

By contrast, in Ozark (I can't remember the character's names) the agent who had a gay affair with the Langmore family member was much more important to the progress of the story.

Another favorite gay character of mine is Jeri Hogarth from the various Marvel series. Her homosexuality was critical in defining that character and in much of her actions in the story telling.

To me, tokenism is insulting and offensive wherever it is done. I really dislike superficial appeals.

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Also, Ozark in some ways pokes fun at limousine liberals - Wendy Byrde is a perfect example. Self proclaimed progressive Democrat whose really just a power hungry pos hypocrite with an ego to match AOC and her ilk. Not that they don't also rib Rs - honestly the political storylines in Ozark are, in my mind, what I imagine "real" politics to be in practice - corruption.

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American Hardwood said:

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I have not seen The Last Kingdom yet, but all of the other shows mentioned have had LGB content in them. I like all three shows and they are bright spots on Netflix's lineup.

Does merely having LGB parts in them make them woke? Or does the shows entire premise have to be pushing an agenda to make them 'woke'? It is not always an easy distinction to make.

Sometimes for me it just boils down to a gut reaction. Does the character being gay feel forced or is it important to tell the story.

Of the examples given, in Stranger Things, Robin feels forced. She serves no purpose other to needlessly frustrate Steve. The story could have survived completely intact without that part.

By contrast, in Ozark (I can't remember the character's names) the agent who had a gay affair with the Langmore family member was much more important to the progress of the story.

Another favorite gay character of mine is Jeri Hogarth from the various Marvel series. Her homosexuality was critical in defining that character and in much of her actions in the story telling.

To me, tokenism is insulting and offensive wherever it is done. I really dislike superficial appeals.

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Also, Ozark in some ways pokes fun at limousine liberals - Wendy Byrde is a perfect example. Self proclaimed progressive Democrat whose really just a power hungry pos hypocrite with an ego to match AOC and her ilk. Not that they don't also rib Rs - honestly the political storylines in Ozark are, in my mind, what I imagine "real" politics to be in practice - corruption.

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Lake of the Ozarks is literally an hour from here

It really captures the corruption of local politics

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Would be nice if they put an LGTBQ+ content warning on their shows.

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For Christ sake they put a warning for smoking on their shows. However, the lgbtq warning would be on pretty much every show.

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The section concludes, "As employees we support the principle that Netflix offers a diversity of stories, even if we find some titles counter to our own personal values. Depending on your role, you may need to work on titles you perceive to be harmful. If you'd find it hard to support our content breadth, Netflix may not be the best place for you."

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I think what they are seeing is that their Non Woke content or at least not overtly Woke content is popular and has staying power. The Woke stuff either bombs or has a quick flash. For instance this is all good and popular stuff that people go back to:

Stranger Things
Ozark
The Last Kingdom
Cobra Kai

The issue is you go to the site and it has all these subcategories you have to wade through on "Black Voices" "LBQTQ" "Women's voices", and on and on. There is always a finite amount of content they can have to develop or push and when such a significant portion is Woke it isn't interesting. The other issue is that HBO, Hulu, Starz, etc. are all doing the same thing so you end up with a super saturated market pushing for a small audience. If you force people to have to search and search just to find something that interests them they leave.

BTW, the other small tremor that is happening is stuff like Daily Wire going into movies and content. There is clearly an opening there for folks either on the right or just not woke who want to watch good content and not have to have it all be 20 or more years old. People like comedies that make you laugh for instance and woke comedy by definition is terrible because it is designed to preach at you and not offend. People want to be entertained.

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I scroll down 11 categories before I even get to a "woke" one. Women behind the camera.


What are you people watching where Black Voices and 19th Century BiSexual Romance in the Far East are categories you are recommended?

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I'm into some funky stuff Tanya! lol

It varies actually and has calmed down some. Certainly during any kind of "Month"or "Week" or something else that raises "consciousness" which seems like very other day it pops up higher on my list and with more categories. A lot of those movies or shows also are in the other categories and are meant to be checking multiple boxes thus they are going to prioritize movies they can categorize in as many spots as possible to make it look like they have more content.

I think the bigger issue is Netflix is just like the rest on the issue so it means you have too many services chasing after too little content that really only appeals to a small portion of their viewership. I love a great story and don't really care about the virtue signal, if it feels like a virtue signal it just loses the magic to an extent of the show and being entertained. Virtue signaling just kills plots for movies and makes for lazy writing.

All of these services need to focus on quality and not messaging. You can see it in what trends and is popular as well. It's amazing how many 20 plus year old films that aren't about messaging and have no concern for wokeness emerge at the top of those lists for them. At some point they should figure out what people want to see.