Roe out, question is who leaked???

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Agthatbuilds said:



No no, they most definitely have the right and, indeed, the duty to change unconstitutional law. It's literally their job.


Breaking news: plumbers no longer allowed to fix plumbing issues.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Agthatbuilds said:



No no, they most definitely have the right and, indeed, the duty to change unconstitutional law. It's literally their job.
For people to understand what stare decisis and well settled law actually mean is that a lower court is compelled to follow Supreme Court precedent.

It has never meant that the Supreme Court itself is compelled to follow it.
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My Name Is Judge said:

I really don't care if idiots want to kill their own offspring

But the lib tears from this will be able to feed entire countries in Africa

Great day if true



Right. But question is, did Reps just shoot their wad for this when they were gaining so much political capital for midterms? This could keep a lot of R votes home and D votes that don't usually show up, to show up.


What good is political capital if you're not willing to trade it to stop the wholesale slaughter of infants?
Yeah, I don't really care about the issue that much. Lot more poor kids and trouble kids if it was banned.

I want to save political capital for things that will actually make the country better. Ending federal dept of Education. Fed Reserve. Fed income tax.
Sickening. You should spend some time contemplating what's important in LIFE.


A better country, not more poor kids with parents who don't want them.


We should just kill all poor kids with crap parents. Do them a favor right? No poor kids with sh*tty parents have ever turned out to be decent people who wanted to keep living…they all want to die.

You are so noble and virtuous for wanting to put people who aren't fortunate enough to have your posh upbringing out of their misery.


There is no misery or anything to be put out of in the first several months. You are giving it such value because its potential for independent life.
why the qualifier - "independent"

Are you implying that anyone who is not "independent" does not deserve to live?


Independent, as in, can live outside the womb.
Infants aren't independent.

They are 100% dependent on someone else in order to survive. The same goes for fetuses.

Now, the big difference is that the fetus depends on one specific person and the infant depends on SOME unspecific person. Other than that, the only real difference is location location location...
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Now we got some REAL insurrection goin'!
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When is Biden going to be impeached for not telling people to stop?
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A is A said:

When is Biden going to be impeached for not telling people to stop?
Any day now.
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A is A said:

When is Biden going to be impeached for not telling people to stop?
To Congress and the media:

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Agthatbuilds said:



No no, they most definitely have the right and, indeed, the duty to change unconstitutional interpret and adjudicate law. It's literally their job.


FIFY

They're not there to change anything.
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Fine. Point being, if they interpret a law to be unconstitutional, it's their job to halt it.
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One of bloated landwhales must have sprang a leak.
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Agthatbuilds said:




Desk pop!
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aggiehawg said:

Agthatbuilds said:



No no, they most definitely have the right and, indeed, the duty to change unconstitutional law. It's literally their job.
For people to understand what stare decisis and well settled law actually mean is that a lower court is compelled to follow Supreme Court precedent.

It has never meant that the Supreme Court itself is compelled to follow it.
Thanks I did not know that. Seems like that takes the wind out of the argument that some of the justices may have perjured themselves when agreeing during confirmation hearings that RVW was settled precedent.
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And this exact same See You Next Tuesday will argue with a straight face that they have the right to take your guns (in spite of the direct instructions in the constitution and 250 years of precedent)
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FrioAg 00 said:

And this exact same See You Next Tuesday will argue with a straight face that they have the right to take your guns (in spite of the direct instructions in the constitution and 250 years of precedent)
she got me banned on twiiter today.
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aggiehawg said:

Agthatbuilds said:



No no, they most definitely have the right and, indeed, the duty to change unconstitutional law. It's literally their job.
For people to understand what stare decisis and well settled law actually mean is that a lower court is compelled to follow Supreme Court precedent.

It has never meant that the Supreme Court itself is compelled to follow it.
I got interested in this listening to the confirmation hearings of the last couple of Justices, especially Amy Coney Barrett, with whom I am not-so-secretly in love. She was obviously a thumb in the eye of the pro-abortion crowd, a veritable walking, talking, breathing symbol of openness to life with her large family, her adopted Haitian children and her special needs child.

I do recall her being grilled, by whom I don't recall, about stare decisis and precedent and she remarked that Roe vs. Wade couldn't be considered super precedent because of all of the various and sundry ways in which it was continually challenged, be that from lower courts or even at the level of the Supreme Court. Nobody every challenges Brown vs. Board of Education - it's considered settled law and precedent. By definition, I guess, it would be difficult for anyone to EVER call Roe versus Wade well settled law, as much debate as has been given to it by the brightest legal minds out there vis-a-vis its Constitutional adherence and not so much its moral (or amoral) impetus.

It might have been you, Hawg, if not another attorney in this Forum, who helped explain this to me in a thread not all that long ago. If this holds, obviously Roe will no longer be precedent, super precedent, or settled law.

What the conservative justices said about Roe v. Wade during confirmation hearings

"(Barrett) also refused to say that Roe v. Wade was a "super precedent," defining the term as a case that is universally accepted and that virtually no one advocates for overturning.
Although she said she believed that "indicates that Roe doesn't fall in that category," scholars say it "doesn't mean that Roe should be overruled, but descriptively it does mean that it's not a case that everyone has accepted."
Barrett said she would take into account stare decisis, a legal principle that says a judge should look to precedent when deciding on a current issue, when considering any case."
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Agthatbuilds said:


Did anyone check on AOC?!?!?!?!?!?

Is she safe?

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Hiding in another building worried that someone might no longer have the right to abort her.
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Pretty solid case identifying the leaker:

Elizabeth Deutsch is a clerk for Breyer. Her entire career has been based around abortion. Her husband is a journalist who is close friends with the Politico reporter who broke the story (more details in the Twitter thread).









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...and here's Gerstein (Politico) in a photo at Deutsch(Scotus clerk)'s wedding

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Haven't seen this discussed anywhere yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of emergency policy pushed out by the DoD shortly announcing the paying of service members stationed in states that outlaw abortion to travel to pro abortion states.
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Have we talked about the mechanics of the actual leak?

Is heard this from Mike Lee, who was a clerk-

There's a cpu system not connected to the internet on which justices and clerks work. It's completely contained within the Supreme Court offices and intended so that it can't be hacked nor can you email a copy of something to yourself.

There's a burn bag- if you need something printed out, which is apparently somewhat uncommon, then it is destroyed at the end of everyday. It is twice shredded, burned, and its ashes mixed with water so it can never be read or reconstituted.

It doesn't appear one can just come and go with whatever material they so desire.

Anyone have any insight on this?
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Agthatbuilds said:

Have we talked about the mechanics of the actual leak?

Is heard this from Mike Lee, who was a clerk-

There's a cpu system not connected to the internet on which justices and clerks work. It's completely contained within the Supreme Court offices and intended so that it can't be hacked nor can you email a copy of something to yourself.

There's a burn bag- if you need something printed out, which is apparently somewhat uncommon, then it is destroyed at the end of everyday. It is twice shredded, burned, and its ashes mixed with water so it can never be read or reconstituted.

It doesn't appear one can just come and go with whatever material they so desire.

Anyone have any insight on this?


Have they maintained this procedure during COVID? It was only a few months ago that we had the "Gorsuch won't wear a mask" controversy. (I think it was Gorsuch) and the wise Latina was working from home.

I've got to think COVID opened up some vulnerabilities.
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aggietony2010 said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Have we talked about the mechanics of the actual leak?

Is heard this from Mike Lee, who was a clerk-

There's a cpu system not connected to the internet on which justices and clerks work. It's completely contained within the Supreme Court offices and intended so that it can't be hacked nor can you email a copy of something to yourself.

There's a burn bag- if you need something printed out, which is apparently somewhat uncommon, then it is destroyed at the end of everyday. It is twice shredded, burned, and its ashes mixed with water so it can never be read or reconstituted.

It doesn't appear one can just come and go with whatever material they so desire.

Anyone have any insight on this?


Have they maintained this procedure during COVID? It was only a few months ago that we had the "Gorsuch won't wear a mask" (I think it was Gorsuch) and the wise Latina was working from home.

I've got to think COVID opened up some vulnerabilities.


That's a good question.
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The use of air gapped computer systems is quite common in my line of work. I would think SCOTUS uses something very similar to what we do for classified DoD programs.

The way these are overcome is either (1) a hard copy is hand carried out or (2) someone uses a memory stick. There are supposedly ways to track both of these - at least in our systems there are. We typically deactivate USB ports to eliminate (2) and tightly control printers to eliminate (1).

Yes, I am sure there are justices who want hard copies to review like the old days. However, if printers are secured and every printed document numbered and tracked, then this could be controlled as well.

Smart phones would also have to be eliminated in closed areas as well, which we do. I'm guessing SCOTUS doesn't go to this length.

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If that is true then that law clerk will be protected by the vile Left, likely write a book and become an instant multimillionaire, I doubt will be disbarred since the vile Left will protect her. Instant fame and wealth.

Welcome to the new world order, comrades.
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wbt5845 said:

The use of air gapped computer systems is quite common in my line of work. I would think SCOTUS uses something very similar to what we do for classified DoD programs.

The way these are overcome is either (1) a hard copy is hand carried out or (2) someone uses a memory stick. There are supposedly ways to track both of these - at least in our systems there are. We typically deactivate USB ports to eliminate (2) and tightly control printers to eliminate (1).

Yes, I am sure there are justices who want hard copies to review like the old days. However, if printers are secured and every printed document numbered and tracked, then this could be controlled as well.

Smart phones would also have to be eliminated in closed areas as well, which we do. I'm guessing SCOTUS doesn't go to this length.


All good except libs never follow laws or rules they don't like.
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This is a nonsense reply. The poster provided a pretty detailed explanation of controls that, if in place, would largely prevent "not following the rules they don't like".

How would you suggest the leak circumvented those controls?
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Keegan99 said:

This is a nonsense reply. The poster provided a pretty detailed explanation of controls that, if in place, would largely prevent "not following the rules they don't like".

How would you suggest the leak circumvented those controls?
I don't think anything would stop somebody from stuffing a printout down their shorts instead of putting it in the burn bag.
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WHOOP!'91 said:

Keegan99 said:

This is a nonsense reply. The poster provided a pretty detailed explanation of controls that, if in place, would largely prevent "not following the rules they don't like".

How would you suggest the leak circumvented those controls?
I don't think anything would stop somebody from stuffing a printout down their shorts instead of putting it in the burn bag.


One page sure, 99 pages though?
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Agthatbuilds said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

Keegan99 said:

This is a nonsense reply. The poster provided a pretty detailed explanation of controls that, if in place, would largely prevent "not following the rules they don't like".

How would you suggest the leak circumvented those controls?
I don't think anything would stop somebody from stuffing a printout down their shorts instead of putting it in the burn bag.


One page sure, 99 pages though?
That might chafe, but "shorts" was a euphemism. You know these self-important lawyer-clerks all have a nice briefcase or satchel.
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Keegan99 said:

This is a nonsense reply. The poster provided a pretty detailed explanation of controls that, if in place, would largely prevent "not following the rules they don't like".

How would you suggest the leak circumvented those controls?
Well, it's not really clear or likely that such controls are in place.

I think that in a place like SCOTUS, with many dozens of clerks typing up draft opinions/edited opinions and sharing them amongst themselves/other justices to see what might pull together various votes, it is unlikely that strict document control like in a DoD SCIF set up, is unlikely to be the case.

It's a system that depends on trust and mutual respect. With clerks like Amit Jain and Elizabeth Deutch having been stupidly hired by the leftists, a breakdown has been inevitable.
 
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