Men who don't want to be responsible for child support.will25u said:Abortion attitudes by party, 1972-2021.
— Tom Wood (@thomasjwood) May 3, 2022
Data from @GSS_NORC cumulative file pic.twitter.com/zk5xUqh8nH
Roe out, question is who leaked???
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OK, this was the graphic I meant to quote.CrottyKid said:
And now by genderIt looks that way from my view of the data, @C_Wolbrecht pic.twitter.com/YOSfMqwTS0
— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) May 3, 2022
Few differences between attitudes about abortion for men and women.
But I'm not a biologist.
Does the fact that this is an Alito first draft indicate that he would be writing the final opinion? I'm not sure how the bread is baked in the process - I was looking at this first draft as Alito's take, and that other justices might be preparing drafts of their own to circulate, discuss and decide between justices.aggiehawg said:Not really. I actually think Politico had this back in February and sat on it for awhile. Since this was a draft, expect other drafts were circulating at the same time. Have to wonder why those were not leaked by the same person?fasthorse05 said:Not that the Dems wouldn't pass up a chance to smear any judge they can't control, but do you think the brouhaha about Thomas' wife had anything to do with this upcoming decision?aggiehawg said:I started a thread when the leak came out that Roberts was not authoring the opinion that it was likely a 5-4 decision and Roberts was not in the majority. That would mean Thomas as the senior justice in the majority assigning who would write for the majority. I thought Thomas would want it for himself so surprised it was Alito.WHOOP!'91 said:I assume that Roberts not writing this opinion means he was not in the majority. Alito, Trump appointees and Thomas are the 5.rwpag71 said:Also a long time to try and intimidate just one judge to change their opinion. Less likely this would have leaked if the current score wasn't 5-4.flakrat said:Wow, was thinking today or this week. That's a long time to REEEEEEEE before the official word comes out.The Debt said:flakrat said:
When are they supposed to officially release the decision?
Usually in the summer months
I can't imagine it did, as they know how Thomas will vote. I just assumed they wanted to crush the Thomas family.
This is simply a procedural question for Hawg, or our other SCOTUS watchers.
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We really, really don't want to admit to ourselves that, at the end of the day, abortion is as much an economic decision as it is a moral one.Quote:
Men who don't want to be responsible for child support.
On that note, it's a felony, with potentially crippling fines and up to like 5-10 years in prison to mess with a sea turtle egg. There are super-Karens at certain beaches in Hawaii who volunteer their time to make sure you don't even get close to these awesome creatures...I had one shriek at me and my wife in Oahu on our honeymoon because she thought we might be petting one (we weren't...just admiring from a few ft away). The fact that these types of women who want to see your life ruined for messing with a turle egg are probably crying the loudest today makes me incredibly happy!BMX Bandit said:
makes abortion a felony
Sorry for the slight derail, but white liberals are just the ultimate losers. Pure evil. They literally value unborn turtles far more than they do unborn humans (parasites). F em all.
Could spout similar gibberish about robbing someone at gunpoint for their wallet. Both a financial and moral decision. Dumb.tysker said:We really, really don't want to admit to ourselves that, at the end of the day, abortion is as much an economic decision as it is a moral one.Quote:
Men who don't want to be responsible for child support.
The wording of the draft says writing for the Court, so that means it is the majority opinion. And yes, Alito will be the author of the final majority opinion. Expect there will be some concurring opinions and dissenting opinions as well.Quote:
Does the fact that this is an Alito first draft indicate that he would be writing the final opinion? I'm not sure how the bread is baked in the process - I was looking at this first draft as Alito's take, and that other justices might be preparing drafts of their own to circulate, discuss and decide between justices.
This is simply a procedural question for Hawg, or our other SCOTUS watchers.
I could mean that he was selected (either by Roberts, or Thomas if Roberts is in the minority) to write the final opinion, or while 5 or 6 justices want to strike down Roe v. Wade (many suspect Roberts doesn't, but does want to support the Mississippi law's limits on abortions), they're all writing opinions to see which one will get the most support.jrdaustin said:Does the fact that this is an Alito first draft indicate that he would be writing the final opinion? I'm not sure how the bread is baked in the process - I was looking at this first draft as Alito's take, and that other justices might be preparing drafts of their own to circulate, discuss and decide between justices.aggiehawg said:Not really. I actually think Politico had this back in February and sat on it for awhile. Since this was a draft, expect other drafts were circulating at the same time. Have to wonder why those were not leaked by the same person?fasthorse05 said:Not that the Dems wouldn't pass up a chance to smear any judge they can't control, but do you think the brouhaha about Thomas' wife had anything to do with this upcoming decision?aggiehawg said:I started a thread when the leak came out that Roberts was not authoring the opinion that it was likely a 5-4 decision and Roberts was not in the majority. That would mean Thomas as the senior justice in the majority assigning who would write for the majority. I thought Thomas would want it for himself so surprised it was Alito.WHOOP!'91 said:I assume that Roberts not writing this opinion means he was not in the majority. Alito, Trump appointees and Thomas are the 5.rwpag71 said:Also a long time to try and intimidate just one judge to change their opinion. Less likely this would have leaked if the current score wasn't 5-4.flakrat said:Wow, was thinking today or this week. That's a long time to REEEEEEEE before the official word comes out.The Debt said:flakrat said:
When are they supposed to officially release the decision?
Usually in the summer months
I can't imagine it did, as they know how Thomas will vote. I just assumed they wanted to crush the Thomas family.
This is simply a procedural question for Hawg, or our other SCOTUS watchers.
Truly, no way to know for certain unless something else leaks.
The only thing I find odd is that Thomas would give such a monumental ruling to anyone if he was the senior justice in the majority and Roberts was in the minority. I would think he would want to write it himself.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Absolutely yes. Gary Becker won a noble prize for his work in such matters.Boo Weekley said:Could spout similar gibberish about robbing someone at gunpoint for their wallet. Both a financial and moral decision. Dumb.tysker said:We really, really don't want to admit to ourselves that, at the end of the day, abortion is as much an economic decision as it is a moral one.Quote:
Men who don't want to be responsible for child support.
I expect Thomas will write his own concurrence.Quote:
The only thing I find odd is that Thomas would give such a monumental ruling to anyone if he was the senior justice in the majority and Roberts was in the minority. I would think he would want to write it himself.
Not a lawyer, so probably a stupid question, but could this victory be short lived if a dem wins in 2024? Assuming this is a 5-4 decision, wouldn't one more liberal judge being appointed be enough to change the law once again?
Another point, do you think this state of Texas would actually try to send a young woman to prison who for lack of a better phrase "tries the clothes hanger method" and gets found out somehow? I see them mostly going after the doctors who go against the ban, but who knows?
Another point, do you think this state of Texas would actually try to send a young woman to prison who for lack of a better phrase "tries the clothes hanger method" and gets found out somehow? I see them mostly going after the doctors who go against the ban, but who knows?
That sheet but seriously funny!
I heard a discussion earlier today on this topic.Ag In Ok said:dunlay said:I don't trust the FBI to do anything honestly, or with neutrality, or in strict adherence to law.will25u said:
Get ready!!! THE FBI IS (IN) ON IT!BREAKING—
— Tricia Flanagan (R-NJ) (@NewDayForNJ) May 3, 2022
FBI now involved in Supreme Court document leak.
On what grounds does the FBI have to be involved in any internal code of conduct issue of one of the three branches? Where in the constitution is it a felony to leak SCOTUS information? Or is this an open door they want to run through?
Among others, the potential causes of action included "Interference with a Judicial Proceeding"; or, Misuse of Government information under 18 USC 641, as the clerks, as well as the justices themselves, are Government employees.
There were other possible statues discussed, but those two stood out to me.
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tysker said:We really, really don't want to admit to ourselves that, at the end of the day, abortion is as much an economic decision as it is a moral one.Quote:
Men who don't want to be responsible for child support.
Economics can be used as a distraction, sure. It should have also been considered prior to making the decision to have sex. For the vast majority of abortions, the ultimate decision is to accept or reject the result of decisions already made.
It’s hilarious the people chanting my body my choice when they tried to cut me out of society for not taking the experimental vaccine
— Jake Shields (@jakeshieldsajj) May 3, 2022
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Fight Fight Fight.
Fight Fight Fight.
Progressives have given away their two favorite go to responses on abortion.
— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) May 3, 2022
“My body my choice” rings pretty hollow after Vax mandates.
“It’s a women’s issue” is tough if there’s no definition of woman.
so now they care about personal libertyAgthatbuilds said:Biden statement on Supreme Court draft on Roe v. Wade pic.twitter.com/Xdnkfvbg9G
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) May 3, 2022
How cute
Everyone has standing on this, since we were all a fetus once.annie88 said:Progressives have given away their two favorite go to responses on abortion.
— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) May 3, 2022
“My body my choice” rings pretty hollow after Vax mandates.
“It’s a women’s issue” is tough if there’s no definition of woman.
CrottyKid said:
I just don't get it.
If you don't want a baby or if you can't afford a baby, DON'T HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX.
It's so simple.
The left's whole agenda is to create dependency.
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YesDefinitely Not A Cop said:92Ag95 said:
All you Pro-Choicers......the woman's right of choice is whether or not she spreads her legs....
....not whether or not she can kill a child.
In light of that, should child support laws in Texas be changed any to hold males more accountable to their offspring?
LMCane said:hopefully all 50,000 females will depart the Texas Republic and go to Colorado.IDaggie06 said:I think you mean Trump.Sully Dog said:Thank you GodBMX Bandit said:
he really does not have a good point.
55,440 abortions were provided in Texas in 2017. I guarantee the number is significantly less in 2023, and only a small percentage of those people will go out of state for an abortion.
For the love of God, don't send more idiots here! We're working overtime just to manage the dumb@$$es who are screwing up this state as is!
Colorado is a wonderful state that was invaded by California for the last 30 years, and that's when it tipped blue. Lots of red counties and good folk here just trying to live around the crazies.
Send 'em to a state or place beyond recovery, like Oregon, California, or Stupid Biden's Delaware compound!
BMX Bandit said:
he really does not have a good point.
55,440 abortions were provided in Texas in 2017. I guarantee the number is significantly less in 2023, and only a small percentage of those people will go out of state for an abortion.
Some will go out of state, not all, but some.
Also as a percentage of the US total of which you cited for 2017, TX made up around 6% of all abortions in the US.
Clay Travis even understands ending Roe v. Wade doesn't end the vast majority of abortions.
As all the constitutional scholars on Facebook & Twitter fight over Roe v Wade — who knew there were so many? — this study suggests abortions would only decline by 14% in a post-Roe world. That is, 86% of all abortions would still occur: https://t.co/9uJcUZwgCi
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 3, 2022
I guess ythe only argument is if a 14% decline in abortions qualifies as "doesn't change much".
No one here thinks this will end all abortion. Try to keep up
The esteemed Biden voter from the peach state thinks it's a good point that someone said "nothing is actually going to change".
That's not a good point. It's a stupid thing to say from those trying to concise the world abortion is no big deal.
Wonder if the 120,000 plus that live due to the 14% drip will think that's a significant change
The esteemed Biden voter from the peach state thinks it's a good point that someone said "nothing is actually going to change".
That's not a good point. It's a stupid thing to say from those trying to concise the world abortion is no big deal.
Wonder if the 120,000 plus that live due to the 14% drip will think that's a significant change
Capitol Police using dump trucks to block off the road in front of the Supreme Court pic.twitter.com/eBgSs79yAl
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) May 3, 2022
Why not just have them drop some roll off boxes.
Instead of parking the actually trucks with diesel tanks in front of the building.
Instead of parking the actually trucks with diesel tanks in front of the building.
What the MSM, Dems, Libs, etc. are intentionally omitting from discussion is that the ending of RvW doesn't end all abortions. It simply transfers the decision to the states. If a state passes a law similar to Roe, nothing will change there.
True journalists would point this out. Today's media want to work people into a frenzy to accomplish a political goal.
True journalists would point this out. Today's media want to work people into a frenzy to accomplish a political goal.
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Without a doubt, and it will be an epic read.aggiehawg said:I expect Thomas will write his own concurrence.Quote:
The only thing I find odd is that Thomas would give such a monumental ruling to anyone if he was the senior justice in the majority and Roberts was in the minority. I would think he would want to write it himself.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
I still cannot grasp the unhinged reaction.
This was going to happen in June. Most media and political talking heads had all but accepted this was going to happen.
This isn't new info, just confirmation.
Is it because it was leaked?
This was going to happen in June. Most media and political talking heads had all but accepted this was going to happen.
This isn't new info, just confirmation.
Is it because it was leaked?
They'd react the same way in June.Agthatbuilds said:
I still cannot grasp the unhinged reaction.
This was going to happen in June. Most media and political talking heads had all but accepted this was going to happen.
This isn't new info, just confirmation.
Is it because it was leaked?
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
They're children. They use any tactics necessary to get their way.hgc159 said:
What the MSM, Dems, Libs, etc. are intentionally omitting from discussion is that the ending of RvW doesn't end all abortions. It simply transfers the decision to the states. If a state passes a law similar to Roe, nothing will change there.
For my part, I am surprised, not that the Mississippi statute was upheld but that both Roe and Casey were directly overruled and in quite an inflammatory manner.Agthatbuilds said:
I still cannot grasp the unhinged reaction.
This was going to happen in June. Most media and political talking heads had all but accepted this was going to happen.
This isn't new info, just confirmation.
Is it because it was leaked?
Alito took a rhetorical and legal flamethrower to them.
Darkness hates the light. Evil has to conquer because righteousness exposes it.hgc159 said:
What the MSM, Dems, Libs, etc. are intentionally omitting from discussion is that the ending of RvW doesn't end all abortions. It simply transfers the decision to the states. If a state passes a law similar to Roe, nothing will change there.
True journalists would point this out. Today's media want to work people into a frenzy to accomplish a political goal.
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Ellis Wyatt said:They're children. They use any tactics necessary to get their way.hgc159 said:
What the MSM, Dems, Libs, etc. are intentionally omitting from discussion is that the ending of RvW doesn't end all abortions. It simply transfers the decision to the states. If a state passes a law similar to Roe, nothing will change there.
I'd say they're communists. They use the same tactics as the Russians, labeling anyone who disagrees with them as Nazis to dehumanize them and to rationalize and legitimize attacks against them.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.): “These justices are acting like this is somehow something that they have the right to change. They do not have the right to change this." pic.twitter.com/UfH9ZXVIUH
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) May 3, 2022
No no, they most definitely have the right and, indeed, the duty to change unconstitutional law. It's literally their job.
Agthatbuilds said:Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.): “These justices are acting like this is somehow something that they have the right to change. They do not have the right to change this." pic.twitter.com/UfH9ZXVIUH
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) May 3, 2022
No no, they most definitely have the right and, indeed, the duty to change unconstitutional law. It's literally their job.
Wow. She doesn't think they have the right to change it? Wow.
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