Roe out, question is who leaked???

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Agthatbuilds said:




So filibuster used to be good for the socialists but it's bad now?
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JB!98 said:

I agree the timing of the "leak" is to energize the leftist base, but please explain to me how overturning one of the worst Supreme Court decisions is a bad thing. As Republicans and Conservatives we have rightly railed against abortion. Now it seems we have accomplished our goal. All of a sudden this is bad thing because it may energize our opposition????

I am thankful if overturning this horrible ruling comes to pass, votes be damned.
Because like a Trump EO policy, it easily gets reimplemented:
1. The dems pass it as a federal law, so it applies to ALL states.
2. The Dems stack the court to protect it in the future.

Short-term win for us, long-term victory for them.
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Bernie and Pocahontas need to stay in their legislative lanes.
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Texaggie7nine said:

My Name Is Judge said:

I really don't care if idiots want to kill their own offspring

But the lib tears from this will be able to feed entire countries in Africa

Great day if true



Right. But question is, did Reps just shoot their wad for this when they were gaining so much political capital for midterms? This could keep a lot of R votes home and D votes that don't usually show up, to show up.


What good is political capital if you're not willing to trade it to stop the wholesale slaughter of infants?
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NOTHING WILL HAPPEN but a multimillion book deal
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This is why Trump won. If you are concerned about a blue wave you aren't paying attention to what's happening in this country.
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Some states will ban abortion and some states will allow abortion up to the birth of the baby. And most states will probably keep the law as is with some changes.
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The leak is to help the left.

The hope is that public out cry softens the language of the opinion or gets a justice to write a "concurrence" that becomes the majority.
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C@LAg said:

JB!98 said:

I agree the timing of the "leak" is to energize the leftist base, but please explain to me how overturning one of the worst Supreme Court decisions is a bad thing. As Republicans and Conservatives we have rightly railed against abortion. Now it seems we have accomplished our goal. All of a sudden this is bad thing because it may energize our opposition????

I am thankful if overturning this horrible ruling comes to pass, votes be damned.
Because like a Trump EO policy, it easily gets reimplemented:
1. The dems pass it as a federal law, so it applies to ALL states.
2. The Dems stack the court to protect it in the future.

Short-term win for us, long-term victory for them.
So no action is the best action? I don't really follow this line of thinking. This what we wanted and now we don't want it????
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IDaggie06 said:

aginlakeway said:

C@LAg said:

Also, This is a GIFT to the Dems.

It will energize their base and the media like NOTHING else, not even Trump running.

Will readily be used to distract attention away from ALL of Joe's economic, politic and international failures.


It'll galvanize both sides.
But the liberals 10x more. Say what you want about roe getting overturned, this is going to be horrible for republicans in 2022. The timing of this could not be much worse.
Sorry I just don't see it if you spend just a moment of reflection. A few thoughts on how these things work:

For the Dems this will absolutely drive the single female vote for them and part of the Suburban Mom vote. They will also get some hard core liberal men. That's about it though and those are all groups they already have. Abortion is a wedge issue and people that vote on abortion as their sole issue are locked up on both sides. Most of those votes are also women in very blue areas, mainly urban. Not a lot that are in swing districts. There is also a potential backlash in reverse when they realize this doesn't affect anything for most of them. If you are a single woman in NYC or California nothing changes and for YEARS organizations like PP have said that overturning Roe have been pushing craziness on them. My wife got a few of those mailers by mistake a few times and they had stuff about how all abortion would be illegal and how even birth control would be banned. When they realize that instead it will just be up to the states I think a lot of those women will be indifferent, they can easily get abortions if they want realistically.

For the GOP it's a huge boon in a different way. You can say they were fired up but this is a different level for the base. They have been talking about overturning Roe my entire life (it happened when I was 2) and there is a segment of conservative Christian voters that had given up and assumed it would never happen, that the GOP would never be able to deliver. They just did. A lot of those folks were already fired up because of woke culture and of course the economy but Roe was the mountain that they didn't think they would see climbed. It's a huge statement as well that the country can be won back and that we are not lost morally. It's just hard to overstate how much it affects a lot of people that had given up on the GOP.

The other thing is November is still a long way off and this is still an issue that really only is big to a small portion of the voting base. The fact that it is going to now be a state issue also shifts that dynamic to the states.

It will be fascinating to watch, no one really knows.
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This won't energize the leftists in November, in my opinion. This was probably leaked by a liberal clerk with this purpose and simply falls into the category of another liberal trick. I see no votes changing or bringing more liberals to vote.
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JB!98 said:

C@LAg said:

JB!98 said:

I agree the timing of the "leak" is to energize the leftist base, but please explain to me how overturning one of the worst Supreme Court decisions is a bad thing. As Republicans and Conservatives we have rightly railed against abortion. Now it seems we have accomplished our goal. All of a sudden this is bad thing because it may energize our opposition????

I am thankful if overturning this horrible ruling comes to pass, votes be damned.
Because like a Trump EO policy, it easily gets reimplemented:
1. The dems pass it as a federal law, so it applies to ALL states.
2. The Dems stack the court to protect it in the future.

Short-term win for us, long-term victory for them.
So no action is the best action? I don't really follow this line of thinking. This what we wanted and now we don't want it????
i am just laying out their likely next strategy.

Try to make it federal law.
then stack the courts to support it.



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Rockdoc said:

This won't energize the leftists in November, in my opinion. This was probably leaked by a liberal clerk with this purpose and simply falls into the category of another liberal trick. I see no votes changing or bringing more liberals to vote.
It's not so much about switching votes, but about getting the Democrat voters who likely weren't going to vote this year to turn our in droves.
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Your theory fails because you think they will get to stack to the court. They have until january broski.
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RebelE Infantry said:

Texaggie7nine said:

My Name Is Judge said:

I really don't care if idiots want to kill their own offspring

But the lib tears from this will be able to feed entire countries in Africa

Great day if true



Right. But question is, did Reps just shoot their wad for this when they were gaining so much political capital for midterms? This could keep a lot of R votes home and D votes that don't usually show up, to show up.


What good is political capital if you're not willing to trade it to stop the wholesale slaughter of infants?


THIS. We should be praising Jesus and not worrying about the political fight to come. The greatest atrocity in our nations history is going to be greatly curtailed and even eliminated in many states.
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Are y'all ready for roving bands of bloodthirsty Moloch worshippers torching churches and insurrecting worse than June 2020?
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RebelE Infantry said:

Texaggie7nine said:

My Name Is Judge said:

I really don't care if idiots want to kill their own offspring

But the lib tears from this will be able to feed entire countries in Africa

Great day if true



Right. But question is, did Reps just shoot their wad for this when they were gaining so much political capital for midterms? This could keep a lot of R votes home and D votes that don't usually show up, to show up.


What good is political capital if you're not willing to trade it to stop the wholesale slaughter of infants?

I'd rather use that capital on the economy, border, getting rid of climate change nonsense , I'd imagine most abortions are libs
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C@LAg said:

JB!98 said:

C@LAg said:

JB!98 said:

I agree the timing of the "leak" is to energize the leftist base, but please explain to me how overturning one of the worst Supreme Court decisions is a bad thing. As Republicans and Conservatives we have rightly railed against abortion. Now it seems we have accomplished our goal. All of a sudden this is bad thing because it may energize our opposition????

I am thankful if overturning this horrible ruling comes to pass, votes be damned.
Because like a Trump EO policy, it easily gets reimplemented:
1. The dems pass it as a federal law, so it applies to ALL states.
2. The Dems stack the court to protect it in the future.

Short-term win for us, long-term victory for them.
So no action is the best action? I don't really follow this line of thinking. This what we wanted and now we don't want it????
i am just laying out their likely next strategy.

Try to make it federal law.
then stack the courts to support it.






They ain't stacking the court.
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C@LAg said:

JB!98 said:

I agree the timing of the "leak" is to energize the leftist base, but please explain to me how overturning one of the worst Supreme Court decisions is a bad thing. As Republicans and Conservatives we have rightly railed against abortion. Now it seems we have accomplished our goal. All of a sudden this is bad thing because it may energize our opposition????

I am thankful if overturning this horrible ruling comes to pass, votes be damned.
Because like a Trump EO policy, it easily gets reimplemented:
1. The dems pass it as a federal law, so it applies to ALL states.
2. The Dems stack the court to protect it in the future.

Short-term win for us, long-term victory for them.
Would this have been the thought process if Roberts would have done the right thing and overturned Obamacare? Damn some of ya'll are scared of your own shadow. Very Mcain lines of thinking are being illustrated. Enjoy the victory and let the cards fall where they may.

We are at war with these folks, appeasement has shown to do nothing for our cause.
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Que Te Gusta Mas said:

Are y'all ready for roving bands of bloodthirsty Moloch worshippers torching churches and insurrecting worse than June 2020?

My church members have more ammo than Ukraine...we will be fine.
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Rapier108 said:

Rockdoc said:

This won't energize the leftists in November, in my opinion. This was probably leaked by a liberal clerk with this purpose and simply falls into the category of another liberal trick. I see no votes changing or bringing more liberals to vote.
It's not so much about switching votes, but about getting the Democrat voters who likely weren't going to vote this year to turn our in droves.

That's what I'm saying. I don't believe it will. The poor economy will.
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Listening to language of several of the pundits on different networks that have worked on the court - both left and right - they are pretty sure they know who leaked it.
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RebelE Infantry said:

Texaggie7nine said:

My Name Is Judge said:

I really don't care if idiots want to kill their own offspring

But the lib tears from this will be able to feed entire countries in Africa

Great day if true



Right. But question is, did Reps just shoot their wad for this when they were gaining so much political capital for midterms? This could keep a lot of R votes home and D votes that don't usually show up, to show up.


What good is political capital if you're not willing to trade it to stop the wholesale slaughter of infants?
Yeah, I don't really care about the issue that much. Lot more poor kids and trouble kids if it was banned.

I want to save political capital for things that will actually make the country better. Ending federal dept of Education. Fed Reserve. Fed income tax.
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Anyone thinking this will affect the bloodbath that's coming for the dems in November is at best naive. This changes nothing in that regard, the right is going to win in a landslide of epic proportions.

That being said, it'll be good to finally have this political football behind us so that politicians can focus on things that actually affect the majority of Americans.
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Are they ready for armed churches.

Wait. Is it church's? Or churches?

Mmmmm fried chicken.
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Que Te Gusta Mas said:

Are y'all ready for roving bands of bloodthirsty Moloch worshippers torching churches and insurrecting worse than June 2020?


What's funny is a lot of the Twitter posts are pissed at religious folks.

I'm not a religious guy and don't support roe for 2 reasons

1. It's a state issue
2. I dont believe in murder and fail to grasp how a human embryo isn't a human. The viability argument is a non starter because my 2 year old couldny survive outside the womb without my assistance.
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Texaggie7nine said:

RebelE Infantry said:

Texaggie7nine said:

My Name Is Judge said:

I really don't care if idiots want to kill their own offspring

But the lib tears from this will be able to feed entire countries in Africa

Great day if true



Right. But question is, did Reps just shoot their wad for this when they were gaining so much political capital for midterms? This could keep a lot of R votes home and D votes that don't usually show up, to show up.


What good is political capital if you're not willing to trade it to stop the wholesale slaughter of infants?
Yeah, I don't really care about the issue that much. Lot more poor kids and trouble kids if it was banned.

I want to save political capital for things that will actually make the country better. Ending federal dept of Education. Fed Reserve. Fed income tax.

This is where I'm at
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No Spin Ag said:

Anyone thinking this will affect the bloodbath that's coming for the dems in November is at best naive. This changes nothing in that regard, the right is going to win in a landslide of epic proportions.

That being said, it'll be good to finally have this political football behind us so that politicians can focus on things that actually affect the majority of Americans.


Yep and maybe the dems will continue to belive in states rights like they started to when trump was president
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Agthatbuilds said:

Que Te Gusta Mas said:

Are y'all ready for roving bands of bloodthirsty Moloch worshippers torching churches and insurrecting worse than June 2020?


What's funny is a lot of the Twitter posts are pissed at religious folks.

I'm not a religious guy and don't support roe for 2 reasons

1. It's a state issue
2. I dont believe in murder and fail to grasp how a human embryo isn't a human. The viability argument is a non starter because my 2 year old couldny survive outside the womb without my assistance.

Athiest natalism is a thing.

Children are good for nations. Ask secular europe.
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Big Al 1992 said:

Rapier108 said:

The name popping up in the rumor mill a lot is Amit Jain, a clerk for Sotomayor.


This person saw $$$ for being the hero of the left. Book deals, vacations at the Obamas and Kerry's in the Hamptons, spots on The View, etc.
Let them have it. This will be of no benefit when the final judgement is made.

Focus on the end of Roe vs Wade and the tremendous evil that it is.
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Also, the economy is going to get much worse between now and November.
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I hate emotionally charged issues that distract from the more pressing issues facing the country. This is the perfect distraction the dems need to energize their base right before the midterms. The timing is too convenient.
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I think the idea that legal abortion resulted in lower crime might've had some legs at one point, but the welfare state culture is encouraging poor people to have more kids anyway.
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Man I sure hope the book deal is more worth it than the wrath of the majority of the justices. Leaker may as well burn her JD
 
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