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That was a very predictable response. Since you are a Wrangler person, figured you already knew about the 4xe

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I haven't really looked into it. I've got 2 Wranglers and a Gladiator. All gas.

I've seen it, but really don't know much about it and haven't bothered to look since I'm not in the market for one.

But, I wasn't the only one with the view they didn't want an EV that day. There was another lady that saw me pulling my stuff out and asked why and I told her. She said she didn't want one either.

I told her to avoid the several Wranglers then...

But, I was agreeing with GAC06's point that going all out on EVs for rentals was galactically stupid. I'm an example of that. I didn't want to get into something that I didn't know all about for a rental on a business trip.

Could I look everything up and figure it all out? Of course. But, I can figure out every single gas car in about 4 min including having my phone connected and CarPlay on. Without watching a tutorial video or downloading apps to find charging plugs.

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Or you could have skipped the tutorial videos and app downloads and just gone to the gas station. I've rented plenty of hybrids and I've never faced this dilemma.

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And I hope you're not naive enough to think it's a question for any vehicle other than CT. That trucks construction is one of a kind.

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Actually a lot of owners have this issue. Anyone that has put in bullet proof glass/armored their car has the same type of glass or even tougher.

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LOL. I will edit my previous statement then.

I hope you're not naive enough to think it's a question for any stock vehicle other than CT. That trucks construction is one of a kind.

Obviously anyone going out of their way to modify their vehicle to add this glass isn't part of my question.

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So with the Cykertruk you get stock what others pay big $$$ to install to make their vehicles SAFER. So again where is the real concern here?

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You're grasping at straws now. My question was about getting extricated from the CT. Not just the bullet proof glass. I will repeat that you're naively bringing up other vehicles, which isn't necessary because the CT's construction is one of a kind. If you're unaware, the skin of the vehicle is the structure

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Talk about grasping at straws. For this to be an issue as described in the demo with the firefighters the following have to happen
1) you have to be in an accident
2) the vehicle has to catch fire
3) the door mechanisms and window mechanisms both have to fail
4) the windows have to remained unbroken in the accident and
5) the firefighters have to arrive in time before the vehicle is fully engulfed

Now all of a sudden you say it is the vehicle structure that matters and not the glass itself. If this entrapment is an issue, go find an example of someone trapped in the vehicle and killed because the glass couldn't be broken. Good luck.

There are a lot of reasons to not buy a Cybertruk but this one is not one of them. This is making a mountain out of thin air.

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All of this is more likely than the Zombie apocalypse the original tweet mentioned - so I don't think it's unfair question.

Agreed on the Zombies but what I would want that glass for is the car jacker, someone trying to break in to steal my stuff or a stray bullet or thrown rock and those are way more likely than the scenario I outlined.

Also, why did the firefighter used the blade portion to break the window? The spike should be more effective.

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Actual EV's for rentals is dumb. You would have been fine in a plug in hybrid, although I think they're dumb too.

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I guess I would have.

But I didn't want to watch an instructional youtube video to tell me the **** I need to do.

If I was BUYING one I would have done research.

Hell, I didn't know it was just a hybrid. I just knew it had an electric plug in. I wasn't in the mood to **** with that when I got to the airport.

It's getting harder and harder to use all rental cars as manufacturers go with all different kinds of shifters, starters, turn signals, wiper controls, integrated controls into the video screen, etc.

Adding a power train that most people are unfamiliar with makes it even worse (not to mention the lack of standardization on things like charging systems) not to mention the challenge of finding and using public chargers. Before someone chimes in, I agree the issues in my first paragraph are worse in most EVs especially Tesla's. .

Sad.

Fiery Tesla Crash Traps And Kills Four After Electric Doors Couldn’t Openhttps://t.co/Mevy4fVBeL

— Jalopnik (@Jalopnik) November 13, 2024

They gotta do something about those electric only doors. What a design flaw that turned out to be.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

I've told him that before. He ignores it.

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They gotta do something about those electric only doors. What a design flaw that turned out to be.

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My 2003 Corvette has them. GM has used them since then on the Vette.

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I've told him that before. He ignores it.

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He likely also wants manual window cranks and door locks as well….. but only on those dangerous EVs and not ICE vehicles with similar equipment.

I bring it up every time someone dies because they can't open the electric doors. Despite all y'all pointing it out, when the car is on fire after a wreck, people can't get the doors open.

Always read a nortex link. From his article.

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The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.

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Always read a nortex link. From his article.

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The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.

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And yet, people keep dying. This is a classic design flaw.

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Always read a nortex link. From his article.

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The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.

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"Some." You're down to sounding like Tom Herman now. Your gotcha's are really pathetic at this point. EVangelize!

Mercedes EV erupts into flames, family escapes their home.



More at the link!

And the nortex hand wave...


right on cue

*TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM PLANS TO MAKE A FEDERAL FRAMEWORK FOR AUTONOMOUS / SELF DRIVING VEHICLES A TOP PRIORITY FOR THE DEPT. OF TRANSPORTATION - BLOOMBERG  pic.twitter.com/KxBoejMUwR

— Stock Talk (@stocktalkweekly) November 17, 2024

And you ghoulishly use their deaths to try to win an internet argument ignoring the totality of tragedy associated with automobiles. Your "thoughts and prayers" might as well be rephrased as "thank you for your service."

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And you ghoulishly use their deaths to try to win an internet argument ignoring the totality of tragedy associated with automobiles. Your "thoughts and prayers" might as well be rephrased as "thank you for your service."

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My dear boy, I am pointing out a design flaw. Your unwillingness to acknowledge it is the gruesome part.

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And you ghoulishly use their deaths to try to win an internet argument ignoring the totality of tragedy associated with automobiles. Your "thoughts and prayers" might as well be rephrased as "thank you for your service."

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My dear boy, I am pointing out a design flaw. Your unwillingness to acknowledge it is the gruesome part.

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Persistently ignoring the reality that there are mechanical releases in every Tesla vehicle is not acknowledging a design flaw. It's ignoring the reality of the situation to push your own narrative, which is exploitative and disgusting.

You don't have the opportunity to claim ignorance any longer.

And yet people continue to die, unable to open the doors.

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*TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM PLANS TO MAKE A FEDERAL FRAMEWORK FOR AUTONOMOUS / SELF DRIVING VEHICLES A TOP PRIORITY FOR THE DEPT. OF TRANSPORTATION - BLOOMBERG  pic.twitter.com/KxBoejMUwR

— Stock Talk (@stocktalkweekly) November 17, 2024

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This is actually a great idea.

Having some kind of standardization plan will help the industry a lot.

I am what this thread would call an EVangelist but I agree with techno that the manual latch is not intuitive in any of the models. I dare say if you don't practice with it I could easily see someone not finding it in a panic. That doesn't really have anything to do with an EV as any type of vehicle could use a similar technology for opening / closing doors.

I have more people use the manual latch than the button on the Model Y, which is irritating because the manual specifically states repeated use of the latch can cause damage.

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I have more people use the manual latch than the button on the Model Y, which is irritating because the manual specifically states repeated use of the latch can cause damage.

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Reading a car manual to learn how to open the door. Yeah, people not reading is the problem. eyes rolling.

Standardization would be great, but there are a lot of different laws/codes in place already. The feds could do it, to be sure, a la crash safety requirements and things like signal light standards that most folks ignore/don't pay attention to but are different from Europe for instance yet national here.

And frankly, the powertrain shouldn't matter to AV regulations for the most part. I bring that up because I think most 18-wheelers for instance could be AV eventually, yet probably not BEV's as it's bat-**** crazy to make a long haul truck an EV (sorry, not trying to pick a Tesla fan boy fight on this one, but EV's suck at towing.). I fantasize of a day when my grandkids are able to travel a road like I-35 without worrying about some Central American truck driver….ah, who am I kidding, it will always be a death trap.

I don't think the transmission, the climate control, and the radio tuner should all be similar round knobs within 6 inches of each other on a straight line. For the record, is it possible for me to accidentally twist the transmission in reverse while going 60 mph? I obviously don't want to try it. It's on my Ford Escape.

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And yet people continue to die, unable to open the doors.

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They die primarily because they got into an accident that resulted in a fire, not because they don't know how to open the door, which is a tragedy. And if that were your primary concern you'd be advocating for electric vehicles, because they substantially reduce the rate of fires in an accident, a fact that you consistently deny.

Put it another way. If you were actually concerned about people dying in a fire in a Tesla as a result of the electronic door opener you would be trying to highlight the fact that there is a manual release to escape the car in the event the electronic doors don't open rather than denying that the manual release exists. It is located in the same area as every other vehicle doorhandle in the world. Instead of that you deny it exists and claim it's a design flaw.

If you were actually concerned about that being insufficient to resolve the issue you wouldn't be posting about it on a random internet forum with low reach/insufficient capacity to enact a change and you'd be going to regulators to actually enact the change. Something I'm 100% sure you have not done.

Instead of doing that you intermittently peruse the internet mining for tragedies that you can utilize in an internet argument that you're fighting not about the dangers of Tesla's electric doors, but rather utilizing Tesla as a representative of electric vehicles in general that you perceive as a representative of the over regulation of government limiting the capacity of the market to operate in a free way.

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I have more people use the manual latch than the button on the Model Y, which is irritating because the manual specifically states repeated use of the latch can cause damage.

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Reading a car manual to learn how to open the door. Yeah, people not reading is the problem. eyes rolling.

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You don't need the manual. Grab latch. Pull latch. Door opens.

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I have more people use the manual latch than the button on the Model Y, which is irritating because the manual specifically states repeated use of the latch can cause damage.

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I guess the front doors are easier but in my X I never use them so I'd definitely forget since it's not the same mechanism I use everyday. The rear doors in every model are a pain (especially the X).

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I have more people use the manual latch than the button on the Model Y, which is irritating because the manual specifically states repeated use of the latch can cause damage.

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Reading a car manual to learn how to open the door. Yeah, people not reading is the problem. eyes rolling.

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You don't need the manual. Grab latch. Pull latch. Door opens.

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The EVidians seem only to worry when these designs kill people in EVs and not when the same design leads to a death in a non-EV.

It also shows what gets clicks from the media because the same issue in a likely doesn't make national news.

I again reiterate they should also be complaining about the flawed design of electric windows because if you have a manual mechanism, you can roll the window down and get out but we know they won't call that a flawed design because it is in virtually every vehicle made today.

500 kW charging. Hardware is basically feature complete at this point, not much incremental utility to going above 500 kW. Proliferation and vehicle improvement will be the focal point now.

Teslag said:

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I have more people use the manual latch than the button on the Model Y, which is irritating because the manual specifically states repeated use of the latch can cause damage.

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No actual viable internal lever to pull to open the door? Viable being one that is readily visible and competent for daily use.

What about a lever that is viable to open the door from the exterior?

Yes. Absolute design flaws.

Why would i want it for daily use?

So why don't you have an issue with electronic windows since that can also trap you when the power system fails? Interesting that a design element used since the turn of the century in cars is suddenly getting attention as a design flaw but only for EVs. I guess it is (D)ifferent.

As for the rear doors, all cars have child safety locks that keep them from being opened from the inside since a federal regulation in 1985. I will await the thread calling for banning those because they are massively dangerous, right?