https://shop.tesla.com/product/tesla-sipping-glasses

Can't wait to get this bling.

The "don't mess with Tesla" belt buckle might interest me,
but I didn't see any specs.

Edit to say my son just told me he is going to the Texas Rennaissance Festival near Plantersville next weekend and will buy me a drinking horn with stand. Pretty sure it will be more functional than a square shot glass.

Truck nuts


Spotted today in Austin. Hard to see, but they're big wire nuts on a lightning

Credit the humor of that driver.

I will concede, this is pretty cool. That man should buy/drive whatever his Airness wants:

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• The NBA legend has a net worth of $3.5 billion, so buying a custom Pininfarina Battista won't make a dent in his bank balance.
• Jordan asked Pininfarina to fit the car with a bespoke cigar holder and humidor.
• Four electric motors combine to produce 1,874 hp.

During August's Monterey Car Week, Automobili Pininfarina unveiled its first one-off vehicle, dubbed the Battista Targamerica. At the time of its unveiling, the Italian brand said it had been purchased by a "renowned car collector and existing Battista owner." That individual has since been revealed as basketball legend and business mogul Michael Jordan.

The keys to the bespoke Battista were handed over to Jordan earlier this month in the US. With an estimated net worth of $3.5 billion, the former NBA star is exactly the type of person who can afford to casually splash multiple millions on a custom electric hypercar.

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I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.

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This is the weirdest thread. Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.

I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? Its my money, my decision.

I actually understanding throwing your opinion here and letting it go. I am all for free speech and opinions. But some of you have spent countless hours telling others what they do with their time and money is wrong.

You guys must all be voting for Harris.

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If the thread is so bad, stop clicking on it. The title makes it pretty clear what its about….

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With all that is going on in the ME and potentially in the Strait of Hormuz, I'm glad I can plug in my truck.

Wow, finally getting proper coverage is good, but also scary:

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It is now, or should be, common knowledge that electric vehiclescars, trucks, buses, bikes, scootersunder conditions of even low humidity or water damage, are prone to catching fire, owing to the unstable nature of the lithium-ion battery. As Chris Morrison writes at The Daily Skeptic, EVs are known to explode "with the force of a bomb blasting super-heated jets of flame, melting and decomposing nearby structural materials including metal and concrete, and sending vast amounts of toxic fumes into any enclosed atmosphere."

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Exploding with the force of a bomb blasting 2,000°C super-heated jets of flame into surrounding areas, EV fires have risen 46% in just a year. No wonder the public are turning against them, says Chris Morrison. https://t.co/zZ671BcTpD

— Toby Young (@toadmeister) September 26, 2024

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I was encouraged to read that the Norwegian shipping firm Havila Kystruten, which operates car ferries around the coast of Norway, has banned the transportation of electric, hybrid, and hydrogen vehicles. And with good reason. Neil Dalus of the freight insurer TT Club points out, "During a lithium battery thermal runaway event... significant amounts of vapour can be produced in many common supply chain scenarios, including ships' holds and warehouses." The potential toxic effects, as noted, can be and have been fatal. "Drivers, stevedores, ships' crews and first responders attempting to control the blazes encounter what might appear to be smoke but is in fact a mix of toxic gases, generated quickly and in large volumes." The freight insurer warns that the failure of these batteries can occur "with such speed that there is typically no time to react."

Such disasters may not be as improbable as we may have thought. They are just waiting to happen. Mike Gallagher, CEO of Ports Australia, warns of the ferocity of such fires: "You can't put them out. So you can imagine it on the street if you can't put them out, imagine them on a vessel out at sea or in a port." In 2022, the Felicity Ace, a large cargo vessel carrying 4,000 cars, including EVs, not-so mysteriously caught fire and sunk. In July 2023, the Dutch vessel Freemantle Highway, with a cargo of 3,783 vehicles, including 498 EVs, burst into flames, the fire starting "in the battery of an electric car," according to a crewman.

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Ford: 'free' chargers. No thanks. More at the links.

Devastating.

29 additional fires for electric cars. 315,000 new EVs registered in 2023 in the U.K.

The vast majority of the lithium fires in that data were not attributed directly to an electric mobility product, and of those that were electric mobility related fires 40% of the increase were attributed to e-bikes or scooters that lack the robust thermal management systems in an EV. For EVs the increase in fires was roughly in line with the increase in the number of vehicles.

In total there were 152 vehicle fires attributable to EVs, with 1.25 million registered in the U.K. That's 1 fire for every ~8,300 vehicles, far lower fire rate than ICE vehicles.


If you want to avoid a car fire the data over and over again shows you should avoid a gas vehicle and buy an EV. Devastating.

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If you want to avoid a car fire the data over and over again shows you should avoid a gas vehicle and buy an EV. Devastating.

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And when you combine that with the literal millions of ICE vehicles that have been recommended to not be parked indoors you have to wonder how people trust them to carry their kids around.

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29 additional fires for electric cars. 315,000 new EVs registered in 2023 in the U.K.

The vast majority of the lithium fires in that data were not attributed directly to an electric mobility product, and of those that were electric mobility related fires 40% of the increase were attributed to e-bikes or scooters that lack the robust thermal management systems in an EV. For EVs the increase in fires was roughly in line with the increase in the number of vehicles.

In total there were 152 vehicle fires attributable to EVs, with 1.25 million registered in the U.K. That's 1 fire for every ~8,300 vehicles, far lower fire rate than ICE vehicles.


If you want to avoid a car fire the data over and over again shows you should avoid a gas vehicle and buy an EV. Devastating.

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"Exploding with the force of a bomb at 2000 degrees Celsius."

That's an EV, not an ICE.

Geico refusing to insure Cybertrucks.

https://www.torquenews.com/11826/geico-terminating-insurance-coverage-tesla-cybertrucks-says-type-vehicle-doesnt-meet-our/amp

You will quite literally believe anything you read

EV's are as different a class of danger in a fire as being shot by an airsoft gun vs. a 'real' one.

Good analogy.

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EV's are as different a class of danger in a fire as being shot by an airsoft gun vs. a 'real' one.

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I'm sure the people that have burned to death in ICE vehicles would disagree. And they are plentiful.

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EV's are as different a class of danger in a fire as being shot by an airsoft gun vs. a 'real' one.

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"COVID is unlike any respiratory virus we've ever seen. Mask up or you're a danger to society."

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EV's are as different a class of danger in a fire as being shot by an airsoft gun vs. a 'real' one.

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"COVID is unlike any respiratory virus we've ever seen. Mask up or you're a danger to society."

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Yep. It's weird how EV's have turned so many former conservatives into big government liberals.

I know right. Some even used to brag on here about turning in coworkers for not getting the experimental shot.

Good thing I never did that. Ever.

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Mike Gallagher, CEO of Ports Australia, warns of the ferocity of such fires: "You can't put them out.

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I've been saying this for awhile now. Glad to see more are recognizing the risk and properly assessing it.

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29 additional fires for electric cars. 315,000 new EVs registered in 2023 in the U.K.

The vast majority of the lithium fires in that data were not attributed directly to an electric mobility product, and of those that were electric mobility related fires 40% of the increase were attributed to e-bikes or scooters that lack the robust thermal management systems in an EV. For EVs the increase in fires was roughly in line with the increase in the number of vehicles.

In total there were 152 vehicle fires attributable to EVs, with 1.25 million registered in the U.K. That's 1 fire for every ~8,300 vehicles, far lower fire rate than ICE vehicles.


If you want to avoid a car fire the data over and over again shows you should avoid a gas vehicle and buy an EV. Devastating.

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"Exploding with the force of a bomb at 2000 degrees Celsius."

That's an EV, not an ICE.

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Only 3x more damage though. LOL.

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I know right. Some even used to brag on here about turning in coworkers for not getting the experimental shot.

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Was that before or after Teslag bragged about going down on *****s in Amsterdam?

30x. If the rate of EV fires increased by 100%.

That U.K. Data is even more damning, because it reflects a rate of vehicle fires among EVs that is 1/100th of ICE vehicles rather than 1/60th.

My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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What governments are mandating them?

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30x. If the rate of EV fires increased by 100%.

That U.K. Data is even more damning, because it reflects a rate of vehicle fires among EVs that is 1/100th of ICE vehicles rather than 1/60th.

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To put the UK data into perspective. 1 in roughly 8000 EVs caught fire. Roughly 1 in 2000 people aged 25 to 54 died of COVID in 2021 in the US. Not people that caught COVID, just a randomly selected person.

In other words you're worrying about something that is 4x less likely to occur as any randomly selected 25 to 54 year old dying of COVID.

You should all be embarrassed. Truly.

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My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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What governments are mandating them?

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CAFE standards in place by the Biden admin is on track to require manufacturers to have 70+% of their fleet "zero emissions" by 2030.

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My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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What governments are mandating them?

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California for one. EU, Britain.

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My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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What governments are mandating them?

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See answers above.

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My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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What governments are mandating them?

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It is "which" never "what". Pet grammar peeve.

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My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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15 states have adopted California's asinine communist "ZEV" program.

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EV adoption varies widely from state to state

Although overall market sentiment for electric vehicles seems to be cooling, EV adoption can still vary wildly from one state to another. In California, EVs made up over a quarter of all new car sales in 2024. At the same time, in states like North Dakota, Mississippi, and Louisiana, EVs still make up less than 2% of the total market.

California not only leads the country in EV adoption, it is also responsible for creating the Zero-Emission Vehicle (ZEV) program, which requires new vehicles to reach 100% zero-emission and clean plug-in hybrid-electric status in California by the 2035 model year.

So far, 15 states, including California, have adopted the program. The gap in EV adoption is already starting to widen. In states that have adopted the ZEV program, EVs make up more than double the market share compared to states that haven't adopted the program, on average.

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Manufacturers surfing the electric vehicle wave may be crashing out.
A new report from the Alliance for Automotive Innovation found that the overall market share of fully electric (EV) vehicles has retracted this year. Although 2024 isn't over yet, data from the Alliance shows that this is the first year since they started collecting data in which EVs have actually lost overall market share.

Still, the decline in EV growth doesn't mean consumers are returning to gas and diesel-powered vehicles. In fact, traditional internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles saw the biggest market share loss of any of the vehicle categories in the report 2.3% in 2024. In their place, consumers are striking a middle ground as they flock to purchase PHEVs and traditional hybrid vehicles.

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More at the link, as usual…

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My only issue are governments mandating them and doing what they can to force ICE out of the market based on mythological climate science.

Let the free market decide.

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It is "which" never "what". Pet grammar peeve.

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Amen. Next we can get into who vs whom.

Like most I hate government mandates for anything never mind what is effectively a niche product in EV. But they do have a place in the world and my life is a great example. I've had a Tesla Model Y for a week now as a rental because my car is in the shop for an undetermined amount of time. My life is a near perfect fit for an EV. I work from home, visit with clients at various times throughout the week but nobody is further away than north Houston. My farthest family is Prosper and there's no shortage of superchargers in that area. We don't travel a ton by car so what's there not to like?

If I end up having to replace my current car it'll almost certainly be a Model 3. I'll put a charger in my garage and only pump gas when Mrs LOYAL AG needs gas. Just don't see much downside to a Tesla for me. I don't think I'd buy one from anyone else right now because everyone else is losing their ass on them and I do worry we'll see manufacturers dropping those vehicles in the coming years at which point nobody is going to want to repair them. But Tesla is making money so I feel like they'll be around for a while.

Yep, it's all based on use case. They are great for some, bad for others.

It's also worth noting that GM EV sales are solid and getting better. Same for Hyundai/Kia.

https://electrek.co/2024/10/01/gm-nears-double-digit-ev-market-share-after-q3-sales-surge/

Yeah but it used to be you were told you have to worry about them burning your house down. Now, it has been upgraded to your house having a bomb go off.

We ignore the fact that gasoline, once it is vaporized, is designed to explode because gasoline fires never burn down a house or other structures.