I will never buy an electric powered vehicle.

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GAC06 said:

Low effort is right all I have to do is ask you to back up the stuff you make up, and of course you can't. As for stars, I don't think they really matter but since you brought it up, I'm #129, you're #162 and you have 18,000 more posts.
You go! Glad it makes you feel better.
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https://www.livenowfox.com/news/flooded-electric-vehicle-battery-fire-hurricane-helene.amp

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Tampa Mayor Jane Castor on Friday speculated that a home in the city's upscale Davis Islands neighborhood likely burned down because an electric vehicle inside a garage caught fire.

"Water and ion batteries do not mix. They literally explode. So if that was the case of this particular fire, I saw that home from the helicopter and there's one wall left," she said. "It's very, very tragic. Fortunately nobody was hurt."

In 2022, Hurricane Ian caused 20 electric cars to catch fire after they flooded with salt water, creating hazards for first responders.

After more fires followed Hurricane Idalia last year, Florida's Palm Harbor Fire Rescue issued another warning:

"If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay. Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground," the agency said.

More "lies" from first responders I guess.
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Look at all those stars!

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Tampa Mayor Jane Castor on Friday speculated


Typical
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A Teslaa burned the Aggie defense if that counts for anything
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A lying camera:

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Best to get EVs out of storm surge zone when a hurricane comes. To an extent, that can be said for ICE vehicles though the cost to repair is probably cheaper.
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JayM said:

Best to get EVs out of storm surge zone when a hurricane comes. To an extent, that can be said for ICE vehicles though the cost to repair is probably cheaper.

12 inches is the height the National Weather Service notes can start to move cars. But I'm sure they're just making it all up.

https://www.weather.gov/safety/flood-turn-around-dont-drown#:~:text=It%20takes%20just%2012%20inches,carry%20away%20SUVs%20and%20trucks.
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techno-ag said:

JayM said:

Best to get EVs out of storm surge zone when a hurricane comes. To an extent, that can be said for ICE vehicles though the cost to repair is probably cheaper.

12 inches is the height the National Weather Service notes can start to move cars. But I'm sure they're just making it all up.

https://www.weather.gov/safety/flood-turn-around-dont-drown#:~:text=It%20takes%20just%2012%20inches,carry%20away%20SUVs%20and%20trucks.


Still doesn't mean inundated. Just own it.
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nortex97 said:

A lying camera:




That 3x damage multiplier from several pages back continues to age like milk. That guy doesn't show his face around here much anymore.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Continue to demonstrate your lack of comprehension between anecdote and actual reality. Like a BLM protestors claiming they're afraid that a police officer is going to shoot them every time they walk out their front door.
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Automakers slash 4 million EV's from 2030 sales target due to…slowing adoption rates. I read today a huge dealer group also sent another letter to the biden-Harris admin demanding a lessening of ev mandate/standards due to poor sales.
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hph6203 said:

Continue to demonstrate your lack of comprehension between anecdote and actual reality. Like a BLM protestors claiming they're afraid that a police officer is going to shoot them every time they walk out their front door.


You still haven't figured out a way to quickly put a battery fire out. There's your reality check.

And your anecdote vs reality thing is funny coming from a guy who forgot high density housing exists.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Always read a nortex link

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It's important to note, though, that EV sales globally and in the U.S. are still trending upward, and industry watchers expect long-term growth.
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Teslag said:

Always read a nortex link
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It's important to note, though, that EV sales globally and in the U.S. are still trending upward, and industry watchers expect long-term growth.

Which, of course, is why I provide them, unlike some. If, in this case (purely for logical explanatory purposes), forecasts call for selling 100 of a product in a set time frame in the future, and that forecast is cut back to 75, that is a decrease, even if only selling 50 of those units in a similar time frame today.

Happy to help, as always, with respect to reading comprehension in general.

Here was the other piece on dealerships pissed about mandates/anti-ICE dem policies this week (paywall, sorry).
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

hph6203 said:

Continue to demonstrate your lack of comprehension between anecdote and actual reality. Like a BLM protestors claiming they're afraid that a police officer is going to shoot them every time they walk out their front door.


You still haven't figured out a way to quickly put a battery fire out. There's your reality check.

And your anecdote vs reality thing is funny coming from a guy who forgot high density housing exists.
I bet Elon could create the solution to put car battery fires out and sell it
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Teslag said:

Always read a nortex link

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It's important to note, though, that EV sales globally and in the U.S. are still trending upward, and industry watchers expect long-term growth.


Often when they say "EV sales" they're including hybrids. Hybrid sales are way up atm.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/toyota-slams-the-brakes-on-ev-production/ar-AA1rqUQu

Good Toyota.
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Who?mikejones!
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I'm gonna disagree, except in maybe the real far in the future long term.

It's obvious why the car made the horse irrelevant.


It's not so obvious that the electric vehicle makes the ice vehicle irrelevant or offers anything substantially different enough to naturally have people choose them over ice vehicles. In fact, for many people, we're no where close to actually choosing an EV over and ice as there's yet to be any substantial reason to do so
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shiftyandquick said:




If anyone is going to make it happen, it's Elon.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Who?mikejones! said:

I'm gonna disagree, except in maybe the real far in the future long term.

It's obvious why the car made the horse irrelevant.


It's not so obvious that the electric vehicle makes the ice vehicle irrelevant or offers anything substantially different enough to naturally have people choose them over ice vehicles. In fact, for many people, we're no where close to actually choosing an EV over and ice as there's yet to be any substantial reason to do so
Well said.
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shiftyandquick said:


Honestly IF they can get the battery tech to where range is mostly irrelevant, that is probably okay for the most part in the very long run. In that case they need to seriously rework the regulations to make it to where most commuter cars could be mostly EVs, but carve out exceptions to allow performance cars to still have big, high revving, 8-12 cylinder power plants that are actually desirable. They also need to carve out exceptions for vehicles that need exceptionally long range and towing capability. The CAFE standards as they are now are not sustainable and punish the wrong vehicles. I'd prefer they go away completely, but if I had to choose between access to boring slush box gas commuter cars or fun gas powered performance cars, the latter wins every time.

Commuter cars being EV might actually improve the driving experience, where performance cars only being offered as EVs would be incredibly boring, even if they're fast. Variety is the spice of life and not everyone wants a silent car, with a flat torque curve, and no gearbox.
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2 breakthroughs - of I'm sure many - that make Elon easily correct, and likely not dependent on each other

  • electricity transmission innovation to near 100%
  • solid state batteries

We have a model x and it fits our needs at about 3000 miles a month with ~95% of nights being able to charge at the house or a hotel. It goes fast, but suspension sucks and drivability rating is low. I liken it to a drag racing minivan. But it's cheaper than the v8 we replaced to operate by about $1200/mo net fuel, electricity, insurance, tires, and maintenance so far. And it's great as a mobile living room. My car has not exploded (yet) or burned down the metro area I live in (yet).

Like Ron Paul, I think government interference is always bad and shouldn't happen. But also like Ron, if government is going to do something, and I can't prevent it, and then those dollars can benefit me personally - I'm going to participate otherwise the benefit just goes to someone else at my expense.

Does Tesla, or EVs in general, exist without government? Maybe, maybe not. But I do know that government exists.

I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.

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techno-ag said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/toyota-slams-the-brakes-on-ev-production/ar-AA1rqUQu

Good Toyota.
They're spending $14 billion on a battery plant in NC. In the Piedmont, far from the mountain flooding.
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Ugh, more dangerous (hybrid) EV fires. Note to my editorial support staff, not pure BEV's, but the same lithium battery source/risk in these Jeeps.
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Cause of the recall

The issue was discovered after a routine review of customer data led to an internal investigation into the reported fires. In response, the company has advised owners to avoid charging their Jeeps and to park away from structures or populated areas.

The remedy will involve updating the high-voltage battery pack software and replacing the battery pack assembly if necessary. Owners should expect to receive a notice in the mail on October 17, 2024.

History of Jeep hybrid recalls

This isn't the first time a hybrid Jeep has faced fire risks. In November 2023, a recall was issued for 32,125 Jeep Wrangler hybrids from model years 2021 to 2023 due to potential internal failures in their high-voltage batteries.
Just don't park them inside/near where people live. That's my advice as well even if not under a recall.

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Battery fires in electric and hybrid vehicles are a growing concern

Other car-related battery fires have made headlines recently. As Hurricane Helene devastates Florida and other parts of the East Coast, electric and hybrid cars have been exposed to saltwater. Saltwater and lithium-ion batteries mix poorly, leading to short-circuit fires that are difficult for firefighters to extinguish. The simpler solution is to wait until all of the flammable battery material burns out.

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Just send a fix over the air.
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techno-ag said:

Just send a fix over the air.


It's not a Tesla
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I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.
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Teslag said:

techno-ag said:

Just send a fix over the air.


It's not a Tesla


Getting harder to spin the Tesla news these days.

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-missed-its-quarterly-delivery-target-again-1851663334

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Don't get me wrong, Tesla is still dominating the electric vehicle market, but control is quickly slipping. The Austin, Texas-based automaker handed over fewer vehicles than analysts expected during the third quarter of 2024 as more compelling competition comes online in China and Europe. It doesn't help that most of Tesla's lineup is ancient. All of these factors together mean the company is at risk of its first-ever annual sales decline.
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whiryno said:


I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.


This is the weirdest thread. Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.

I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? Its my money, my decision.

I actually understanding throwing your opinion here and letting it go. I am all for free speech and opinions. But some of you have spent countless hours telling others what they do with their time and money is wrong.

You guys must all be voting for Harris.
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Tesla is still dominating the electric vehicle market

Thanks for the update.
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Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.
Who is saying that?
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I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? It's my money, my decision.
Pointing out that the BEV push supports the CCP, on which they all rely, is not socialism. You're welcome to burn your personal wealth, that would not in fact support the CCP, to my knowledge. It's not an efficient use of resources/capital, in a free market sense, but such is the choice people of course can make.

I am really happy the market (including dealers) is pushing back, net, vs. the BEV mandates/hype and efforts to make ICE vehicles cost-prohibative. Most of us who don't want to ever be 'coaxed' into a BEV ownership/lease decision, just see the exorbitant cost ($2 billion to date this year in federal 'credits' or 'rebates' alone) and strangulation of ICE vehicles via regulatory hurdles as absurd. That's not necessarily to blame BEV owners/lessors who fell for the marketing/hype, but a personal objection to our governments' stupid socialist policies.

I think this thread has helped readers/lurkers/folks over the years, and am glad it exists still.
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nortex97 said:

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Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.
Who is saying that?
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I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? It's my money, my decision.
Pointing out that the BEV push supports the CCP, on which they all rely, is not socialism. You're welcome to burn your personal wealth, that would not in fact support the CCP, to my knowledge. It's not an efficient use of resources/capital, in a free market sense, but such is the choice people of course can make.

I am really happy the market (including dealers) is pushing back, net, vs. the BEV mandates/hype and efforts to make ICE vehicles cost-prohibative. Most of us who don't want to ever be 'coaxed' into a BEV ownership/lease decision, just see the exorbitant cost ($2 billion to date this year in federal 'credits' or 'rebates' alone) and strangulation of ICE vehicles via regulatory hurdles as absurd. That's not necessarily to blame BEV owners/lessors who fell for the marketing/hype, but a personal objection to our governments' stupid socialist policies.

I think this thread has helped readers/lurkers/folks over the years, and am glad it exists still.

I agree. I appreciate having one spot to post news and go back and forth on EVs without cluttering up F16 with new posts all the time.
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Medaggie said:

whiryno said:


I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.


This is the weirdest thread. Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.

I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? Its my money, my decision.

I actually understanding throwing your opinion here and letting it go. I am all for free speech and opinions. But some of you have spent countless hours telling others what they do with their time and money is wrong.

You guys must all be voting for Harris.


If the thread is so bad, stop clicking on it. The title makes it pretty clear what its about….
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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