You go! Glad it makes you feel better.GAC06 said:
Low effort is right all I have to do is ask you to back up the stuff you make up, and of course you can't. As for stars, I don't think they really matter but since you brought it up, I'm #129, you're #162 and you have 18,000 more posts.
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Tampa Mayor Jane Castor on Friday speculated that a home in the city's upscale Davis Islands neighborhood likely burned down because an electric vehicle inside a garage caught fire.
"Water and ion batteries do not mix. They literally explode. So if that was the case of this particular fire, I saw that home from the helicopter and there's one wall left," she said. "It's very, very tragic. Fortunately nobody was hurt."
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In 2022, Hurricane Ian caused 20 electric cars to catch fire after they flooded with salt water, creating hazards for first responders.
After more fires followed Hurricane Idalia last year, Florida's Palm Harbor Fire Rescue issued another warning:
"If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay. Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground," the agency said.
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Tampa Mayor Jane Castor on Friday speculated
Electric Vehicles that have been flooded in saltwater can catch fire. If you evacuated and left an electric vehicle or golf cart in your garage or under a building and you are not able to get to it or move it, we want you to let us know. /1 pic.twitter.com/dpfiXRAGuR
— Pinellas County (@PinellasGov) September 28, 2024
JayM said:
Best to get EVs out of storm surge zone when a hurricane comes. To an extent, that can be said for ICE vehicles though the cost to repair is probably cheaper.
techno-ag said:JayM said:
Best to get EVs out of storm surge zone when a hurricane comes. To an extent, that can be said for ICE vehicles though the cost to repair is probably cheaper.
12 inches is the height the National Weather Service notes can start to move cars. But I'm sure they're just making it all up.
https://www.weather.gov/safety/flood-turn-around-dont-drown#:~:text=It%20takes%20just%2012%20inches,carry%20away%20SUVs%20and%20trucks.
nortex97 said:
A lying camera:Electric Vehicles that have been flooded in saltwater can catch fire. If you evacuated and left an electric vehicle or golf cart in your garage or under a building and you are not able to get to it or move it, we want you to let us know. /1 pic.twitter.com/dpfiXRAGuR
— Pinellas County (@PinellasGov) September 28, 2024
hph6203 said:
Continue to demonstrate your lack of comprehension between anecdote and actual reality. Like a BLM protestors claiming they're afraid that a police officer is going to shoot them every time they walk out their front door.
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It's important to note, though, that EV sales globally and in the U.S. are still trending upward, and industry watchers expect long-term growth.
Which, of course, is why I provide them, unlike some. If, in this case (purely for logical explanatory purposes), forecasts call for selling 100 of a product in a set time frame in the future, and that forecast is cut back to 75, that is a decrease, even if only selling 50 of those units in a similar time frame today.Teslag said:
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It's important to note, though, that EV sales globally and in the U.S. are still trending upward, and industry watchers expect long-term growth.
I bet Elon could create the solution to put car battery fires out and sell itPlaneCrashGuy said:hph6203 said:
Continue to demonstrate your lack of comprehension between anecdote and actual reality. Like a BLM protestors claiming they're afraid that a police officer is going to shoot them every time they walk out their front door.
You still haven't figured out a way to quickly put a battery fire out. There's your reality check.
And your anecdote vs reality thing is funny coming from a guy who forgot high density housing exists.
Teslag said:
Always read a nortex linkQuote:
It's important to note, though, that EV sales globally and in the U.S. are still trending upward, and industry watchers expect long-term growth.
Almost all vehicles will be purely electric long-term. Combustion cars will be a niche, like horses. https://t.co/ETMNrEUkUt
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 1, 2024
shiftyandquick said:Almost all vehicles will be purely electric long-term. Combustion cars will be a niche, like horses. https://t.co/ETMNrEUkUt
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 1, 2024
Well said.Who?mikejones! said:
I'm gonna disagree, except in maybe the real far in the future long term.
It's obvious why the car made the horse irrelevant.
It's not so obvious that the electric vehicle makes the ice vehicle irrelevant or offers anything substantially different enough to naturally have people choose them over ice vehicles. In fact, for many people, we're no where close to actually choosing an EV over and ice as there's yet to be any substantial reason to do so
Honestly IF they can get the battery tech to where range is mostly irrelevant, that is probably okay for the most part in the very long run. In that case they need to seriously rework the regulations to make it to where most commuter cars could be mostly EVs, but carve out exceptions to allow performance cars to still have big, high revving, 8-12 cylinder power plants that are actually desirable. They also need to carve out exceptions for vehicles that need exceptionally long range and towing capability. The CAFE standards as they are now are not sustainable and punish the wrong vehicles. I'd prefer they go away completely, but if I had to choose between access to boring slush box gas commuter cars or fun gas powered performance cars, the latter wins every time.shiftyandquick said:Almost all vehicles will be purely electric long-term. Combustion cars will be a niche, like horses. https://t.co/ETMNrEUkUt
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 1, 2024
They're spending $14 billion on a battery plant in NC. In the Piedmont, far from the mountain flooding.techno-ag said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/toyota-slams-the-brakes-on-ev-production/ar-AA1rqUQu
Good Toyota.
Just don't park them inside/near where people live. That's my advice as well even if not under a recall.Quote:
Cause of the recall
The issue was discovered after a routine review of customer data led to an internal investigation into the reported fires. In response, the company has advised owners to avoid charging their Jeeps and to park away from structures or populated areas.
The remedy will involve updating the high-voltage battery pack software and replacing the battery pack assembly if necessary. Owners should expect to receive a notice in the mail on October 17, 2024.
History of Jeep hybrid recalls
This isn't the first time a hybrid Jeep has faced fire risks. In November 2023, a recall was issued for 32,125 Jeep Wrangler hybrids from model years 2021 to 2023 due to potential internal failures in their high-voltage batteries.
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Battery fires in electric and hybrid vehicles are a growing concern
Other car-related battery fires have made headlines recently. As Hurricane Helene devastates Florida and other parts of the East Coast, electric and hybrid cars have been exposed to saltwater. Saltwater and lithium-ion batteries mix poorly, leading to short-circuit fires that are difficult for firefighters to extinguish. The simpler solution is to wait until all of the flammable battery material burns out.
techno-ag said:
Just send a fix over the air.
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I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.
Teslag said:techno-ag said:
Just send a fix over the air.
It's not a Tesla
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Don't get me wrong, Tesla is still dominating the electric vehicle market, but control is quickly slipping. The Austin, Texas-based automaker handed over fewer vehicles than analysts expected during the third quarter of 2024 as more compelling competition comes online in China and Europe. It doesn't help that most of Tesla's lineup is ancient. All of these factors together mean the company is at risk of its first-ever annual sales decline.
This is the weirdest thread. Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.whiryno said:
I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.
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Tesla is still dominating the electric vehicle market
Who is saying that?Quote:
Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.
Pointing out that the BEV push supports the CCP, on which they all rely, is not socialism. You're welcome to burn your personal wealth, that would not in fact support the CCP, to my knowledge. It's not an efficient use of resources/capital, in a free market sense, but such is the choice people of course can make.Quote:
I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? It's my money, my decision.
nortex97 said:Who is saying that?Quote:
Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.Pointing out that the BEV push supports the CCP, on which they all rely, is not socialism. You're welcome to burn your personal wealth, that would not in fact support the CCP, to my knowledge. It's not an efficient use of resources/capital, in a free market sense, but such is the choice people of course can make.Quote:
I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? It's my money, my decision.
I am really happy the market (including dealers) is pushing back, net, vs. the BEV mandates/hype and efforts to make ICE vehicles cost-prohibative. Most of us who don't want to ever be 'coaxed' into a BEV ownership/lease decision, just see the exorbitant cost ($2 billion to date this year in federal 'credits' or 'rebates' alone) and strangulation of ICE vehicles via regulatory hurdles as absurd. That's not necessarily to blame BEV owners/lessors who fell for the marketing/hype, but a personal objection to our governments' stupid socialist policies.
I think this thread has helped readers/lurkers/folks over the years, and am glad it exists still.
Medaggie said:This is the weirdest thread. Many Years and 200 pages later, people telling others that their purchase with their own money is idiotic while ridiculing them.whiryno said:
I like this thread. It's anti-EV-angelists creating a thread to antagonize people that have made a personal choice to own an EV. It's the opposite of the claim of EV-angelists promoting EV ownership. I don't recall many threads going 197 pages of EV owners telling everyone else how dumb they are. None the less, glad it exists - I'm enjoying everyone's participation on both sides.
I didn't realize there were so much socialist here. If I wanted to take 50K, go to my back yard, and burn it then who is it for anyone to tell me what I did was wrong? Its my money, my decision.
I actually understanding throwing your opinion here and letting it go. I am all for free speech and opinions. But some of you have spent countless hours telling others what they do with their time and money is wrong.
You guys must all be voting for Harris.
