Another car catches fire parked at home and the family was sleeping. Thankfully they listened to people like Norte and had it parked in the driveway.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-familys-suv-bursts-flames-they-slept-video-shows-terrified

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I'm actually shocked the overall likely is that high. The CCP effort to force Americans at literal gunpoint to buy an EV must be very effective

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Better Dead Than Red!!!

Amirite?

I'm referring to why Ford is cutting back. They are number 2 only because they were second to market with mass manufactured EVs.

Even your own numbers say over 20% are very likely to buy an EV and over 50% are "overall likely", which exceeds the roughly 7% market share for EVs you also provided. That tells me the demand for EVs is strong, just not for legacy auto that doesn't know how to design, build or sell them. That's thanks in no small part to the unions and dealership protections. If you're looking for where big government is hamstringing the auto industry, that's where you should be focusing.

I laugh at the "big three, and everyone but Tesla, just don't know how to do EVs".

They have the brightest engineers on the planet working for them. If they can't do it then it's never going to be done in critical mass (which it won't for a whole host of reasons)

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Another car catches fire parked at home and the family was sleeping. Thankfully they listened to people like Norte and had it parked in the driveway.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-familys-suv-bursts-flames-they-slept-video-shows-terrified

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Devastating for ICE

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I laugh at the "big three, and everyone but Tesla, just don't know how to do EVs".

They have the brightest engineers on the planet working for them. If they can't do it then it's never going to be done in critical mass (which it won't for a whole host of reasons)

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You'd think with their massive resources and experience they'd be able to roll out something competitive. Then you see GM rolling out a $95,000 9100lb electric Silverado…

The Asian autos are making interesting products. I also the Stellantis will be competitive when they get to market. I'd probably have waited and bought the new Ramcharger if it fit my needs (family of 5 with the kids approaching teens years isn't comfy in a two row vehicle).

Ford basically took an F-150 and threw a battery and electric motors in it.

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I laugh at the "big three, and everyone but Tesla, just don't know how to do EVs".

They have the brightest engineers on the planet working for them. If they can't do it then it's never going to be done in critical mass (which it won't for a whole host of reasons)

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Historically, when industries get disrupted, the established players fail. See Intel with microchips, Sears in retail, Kodak in film, Nokia in cell phones, Xerox in many industries they should have dominated, etc. The problem is they either try to modify what they have to fit with the new technology or they deny it is a threat. Do I think the Big 3 and major foreign manufacturers totally fail? No bit mostly because I believe there will still be a sizable ICE market but I don't think all of them will have successful EV programs.

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Logos Stick said:

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I laugh at the "big three, and everyone but Tesla, just don't know how to do EVs".

They have the brightest engineers on the planet working for them. If they can't do it then it's never going to be done in critical mass (which it won't for a whole host of reasons)

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You'd think with their massive resources and experience they'd be able to roll out something competitive. Then you see GM rolling out a $95,000 9100lb electric Silverado…

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And Mercedes lost 25% of their income because of their EVs. 25%. Let that sink in for a minute.

Driving by the Tesla factory in Austin. They keep expanding every time I drive by this place and I don't even know if it's officially open yet.

They have been delivering vehicles from Austin for almost two years now

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Two posts up is a poll saying that 58% of Americans consider themselves likely to buy an EV.

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And it's deceptive statistic. Given the range of EV types.

MHEV - ICE engine with a large voltage battery the provides minimal mpg improvement.

With all sorts of hybrids in between.

BEV - No ICE engine with 100% battery power that probably pollutes the planet more than a 1960's muscle car.

Did JD Power include hybrids in their stats? No they did not. It's for fully electric vehicles.

https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2024-05/2024043%20U.S.%20EV%20Consideration.pdf

"The U.S. Electric Vehicle Consideration Study (EVC) is an industry benchmark focusing on gauging fully electric or battery electric vehicle shopper consideration, simply referred to EVs in the study."

More than half of Americans are considering buying a fully electric vehicle. When accounting for the people that simply aren't a good use case for EV's, plus the nuts that think it's a communist conspiracy, that's a very strong number for EV adoption.

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Did JD Power include hybrids in their stats? No they did not. It's for fully electric vehicles.

https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2024-05/2024043%20U.S.%20EV%20Consideration.pdf

"The U.S. Electric Vehicle Consideration Study (EVC) is an industry benchmark focusing on gauging fully electric or battery electric vehicle shopper consideration, simply referred to EVs in the study."

More than half of Americans are considering buying a fully electric vehicle. When accounting for the people that simply aren't a good use case for EV's, plus the nuts that think it's a communist conspiracy, that's a very strong number for EV adoption.

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Fair enough. At the end of the day the consideration results in low market share. Thanks for the laughs though.

And I don't know how to address your idea any significant number of people consider EVs to be a communist conspiracy.

Not sure how those facts got you laughing but ok. I don't have a JD Power study for the conspiracy people but some post on this thread.

Not sure if serious.

Hyperbole does exist.

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Did JD Power include hybrids in their stats? No they did not. It's for fully electric vehicles.

https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2024-05/2024043%20U.S.%20EV%20Consideration.pdf

"The U.S. Electric Vehicle Consideration Study (EVC) is an industry benchmark focusing on gauging fully electric or battery electric vehicle shopper consideration, simply referred to EVs in the study."

More than half of Americans are considering buying a fully electric vehicle. When accounting for the people that simply aren't a good use case for EV's, plus the nuts that think it's a communist conspiracy, that's a very strong number for EV adoption.

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"Considering" is the key word there. Are they actually going out and buying a $100,000 electric truck and installing a fast charger in their garage? No, they are not. They're just considering it.

Well I imagine very few people will buy a $95,000 9,000lb truck. Almost 60% are considering buying an EV, and around 25% are "strongly" considering it. Those are very strong numbers, and it blows up the nonsense spouted here about EV's being rejected.

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Well I imagine very few people will buy a $95,000 9,000lb truck. Almost 60% are considering buying an EV, and around 25% are "strongly" considering it. Those are very strong numbers, and it blows up the nonsense spouted here about EV's being rejected.

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Except sales keep falling, across the board.

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Well I imagine very few people will buy a $95,000 9,000lb truck. Almost 60% are considering buying an EV, and around 25% are "strongly" considering it. Those are very strong numbers, and it blows up the nonsense spouted here about EV's being rejected.

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When fewer are considering than the year before, and only 7 percent of new vehicle registrations are BEV's, and the leading EV manufacturers are laying off/scaling back product plans…tap dancing about 60% 'thinking about" them really is kind of absurd, imho.

Heck, I'd briefly consider it if I were buying a new car next month, but then dismiss it out of hand for the many reasons I've listed here. But let's face it, eventually the direct-from-CCP EV's will show up (and even Elon has recanted and said he opposes tariffs), and wipe out the domestic/UAW competition. That's been the plan all along.

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Well I imagine very few people will buy a $95,000 9,000lb truck. Almost 60% are considering buying an EV, and around 25% are "strongly" considering it. Those are very strong numbers, and it blows up the nonsense spouted here about EV's being rejected.

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Except sales keep falling, across the board.

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Sales of EV's are still growing in the US, including the most recent quarter despite Tesla's known issue switching production to their new model 3. I'm not going to spend any more time explaining slowed growth versus declining sales, because it clearly didn't work last time.

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Well I imagine very few people will buy a $95,000 9,000lb truck. Almost 60% are considering buying an EV, and around 25% are "strongly" considering it. Those are very strong numbers, and it blows up the nonsense spouted here about EV's being rejected.

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Except sales keep falling, across the board.

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Sales of EV's are still growing in the US, including the most recent quarter despite Tesla's known issue switching production to their new model 3. I'm not going to spend any more time explaining slowed growth versus declining sales, because it clearly didn't work last time.

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Q1 2024 was a 15% decline against the previous quarter.

But up year over year

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Well I imagine very few people will buy a $95,000 9,000lb truck. Almost 60% are considering buying an EV, and around 25% are "strongly" considering it. Those are very strong numbers, and it blows up the nonsense spouted here about EV's being rejected.

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Except sales keep falling, across the board.

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Sales of EV's are still growing in the US, including the most recent quarter despite Tesla's known issue switching production to their new model 3. I'm not going to spend any more time explaining slowed growth versus declining sales, because it clearly didn't work last time.

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Yup. Evidently nobody believes you. When EV sales are down across the board, when Mercedes lost 25% and Tesla had a losing quarter, nobody buys your schtick that everything is hunky dory.

Honestly, sales go up and down in every sector. I don't get why you guys refuse to acknowledge that EV sales are just not going gangbusters. Does it hurt your ego or something? It's ok to face the facts.

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Kelley Blue Book's data shows that while people still bought nearly 270,000 new EVs, they made up a smaller chunk of overall car sales compared to last year. This slowdown was expected somewhat, especially since the growth rate of EVs had been crazy high in recent years.

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https://www.topspeed.com/biggest-ev-automakers-sales-decline/

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But up year over year

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By 2.6%, in part because of price cuts. You 're choosing not to see what is obvious to everyone else.

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But up year over year

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By 2.6%, in part because of price cuts. You choosing not to see what is obvious to everyone else.

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Don't forget to break out the hybrid vs. BEV numbers too. Hybrids are up bigly.

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But up year over year

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By 2.6%, in part because of price cuts. You 're choosing not to see what is obvious to everyone else.

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That growth has slowed? Yes that's it. That "sales are falling"? No, that's false.

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Well I imagine very few people will buy a $95,000 9,000lb truck. Almost 60% are considering buying an EV, and around 25% are "strongly" considering it. Those are very strong numbers, and it blows up the nonsense spouted here about EV's being rejected.

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Except sales keep falling, across the board.

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Sales of EV's are still growing in the US, including the most recent quarter despite Tesla's known issue switching production to their new model 3. I'm not going to spend any more time explaining slowed growth versus declining sales, because it clearly didn't work last time.

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Yup. Evidently nobody believes you. When EV sales are down across the board, when Mercedes lost 25% and Tesla had a losing quarter, nobody buys your schtick that everything is hunky dory.

Honestly, sales go up and down in every sector. I don't get why you guys refuse to acknowledge that EV sales are just not going gangbusters. Does it hurt your ego or something? It's ok to face the facts.

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Kelley Blue Book's data shows that while people still bought nearly 270,000 new EVs, they made up a smaller chunk of overall car sales compared to last year. This slowdown was expected somewhat, especially since the growth rate of EVs had been crazy high in recent years.

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https://www.topspeed.com/biggest-ev-automakers-sales-decline/

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Then there's no need to continually lie about EV sales

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But up year over year

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By 2.6%, in part because of price cuts. You 're choosing not to see what is obvious to everyone else.

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That growth has slowed? Yes that's it. That "sales are falling"? No, that's false.

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Sales fell by 15% in Q1 2024 when measured against the most recent data (previous quarter)

But still up year over year, which means growth.

Yup. Sales are down. Growth is down.

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But still up year over year, which means growth.

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OK. Sales are falling when using recent data. Sales growth is falling when using last years data.

This comes back to the thread about Tesla owners living in an echo chamber, of course you focus on the positive while ignoring whats actually going on.

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But still up year over year, which means growth.

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They will never get it.

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But still up year over year, which means growth.

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OK. Sales are falling when using recent data. Sales growth is falling when using last years data.

This comes back to the thread about Tesla owners living in an echo chamber, of course you focus on the positive while ignoring whats actually going on.

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It's just silliness to debate. The truth is the layoffs/product scale backs etc. reflect that this niche product will wind up topping off even with the mandates and subsidies somewhere around 10 or 20 percent of the market. Heck, sedans sell a lot and Ford/GM etc. basically gave up on them similarly as 'just not worth it' any longer due to the relative decline in market share. If China does ship over more of their cheap EV's maybe it will get to 30 percent, I dunno. Most people who look into these obviously don't like/decide to spend their money on them.

Isn't Q4 typically the highest sales quarter for auto in general?