$2,500 on a home charger lol? You've got from $20k to $2.5k and still off.

We have a 35 mile commute each way and can easily travel up to 500 mile trips with no issue.

And I've yet to meet one person that bought a Tesla to be green

20K for the solar panels.

For 2.5K, that's what ChatGPT is telling me. Doesn't really matter what the price is though. The point is the same. Unless you are generating your own power from solar or wind, you aren't doing diddly for CO2. Just spent a lot of money for window treatment.

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Been following this thread for awhile. Dumbest take I've seen in months.

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I agree it is a dumb post but so is the original post. A one time charge using a diesel generator was an argument for why it should be a diesel vehicle is like saying an ICE should be an EV when you jump start it because you need electricity.

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ChemAg15 said:

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Been following this thread for awhile. Dumbest take I've seen in months.

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I agree it is a dumb post but so is the original post. A one time charge using a diesel generator was an argument for why it should be a diesel vehicle is like saying an ICE should be an EV when you jump start it because you need electricity.

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Who said it's a one time charge?

The entire case for the left to go EV is for the environment. Outside of that, there really isn't a use case for owning one.

Philip J Fry said:

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The entire case for the left to go EV is for the environment. Outside of that, there really isn't a use case for owning one.

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Yeah you look at the trucks and things and they are essentially $100k+ toys. Not useful for much, constantly recalled, and video after video of them struggling off-road.

Throw in that HUGE helping of virtue signaling and you have completed your apt description,

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Throw in that HUGE helping of virtue signaling and you have completed your apt description,

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I don't virtue signal. And nobody ever knows my truck is an EV. Only three or four people in 18 months have recognized I have a Lightning and even what that means. One car wash lady thought it meant I have a fast truck.

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20K for the solar panels.

For 2.5K, that's what ChatGPT is telling me. Doesn't really matter what the price is though. The point is the same. Unless you are generating your own power from solar or wind, you aren't doing diddly for CO2. Just spent a lot of money for window treatment.

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It's about $700. And not a single Tesla driver I know has one to be green.

For the electrician too?

Well, I won't argue that EVs are actually green. Kudos on your fellow Tesla drivers who don't think it's green and haven't fallen for that lie.

Seems like a lot of hassle to go through with no benefit (real or perceived) though. Unless they just like the 0-60 acceleration it provides.

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Philip J Fry said:

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The entire case for the left to go EV is for the environment. Outside of that, there really isn't a use case for owning one.

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Yeah you look at the trucks and things and they are essentially $100k+ toys. Not useful for much, constantly recalled, and video after video of them struggling off-road.

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So it's perfect for most suburban truck owners

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For the electrician too?

Well, I won't argue that EVs are actually green. Kudos on your fellow Tesla drivers who don't think it's green and haven't fallen for that lie.

Seems like a lot of hassle to go through with no benefit (real or perceived) though. Unless they just like the 0-60 acceleration it provides.

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There's a ton of benefits for certain drivers. Fun to drive, great commuter vehicle, tech is fantastic. They aren't right for many but perfect for some.

At this instant in time, ERCOT is reporting 49.6% of the electricity generated in Texas is coming from solar, wind, or hydro sources. Throw in another 9% coming from nuclear. Though people here still try to push the angle that all of that electricity is coming from coal plants from the 1940s.

Because it's still true and will be even more so if everyone switched to EVs tomorrow

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At this instant in time, ERCOT is reporting 49.6% of the electricity generated in Texas is coming from solar, wind, or hydro sources. Throw in another 9% coming from nuclear. Though people here still try to push the angle that all of that electricity is coming from coal plants from the 1940s.

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Looked up hydroelectric power in Texas. Was surprised there are so many generators.

It would take 80 years to build enough electrical capacity to support EVs in the US. And most generation will always be hydrocarbons. Fantasy energy is a niche fantasy.

As far as coal, we ship most of it to China and India now and they burn it to produce electricity. LoL. Liberals are not smart.

That's for the Tesla part. Again they try to convolute the issues. All of the electrical work and other costs are in addition to the Tesla part and are multiples of that $700. I have heard it can be 7x or so.

https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/managing-your-money-wisely/how-much-does-a-home-ev-charger-really-cost/2737

Wrong again. The Tesla charger is $450. It's a simply 60 amp circuit and install from an electrician brings it to about $700. Or you can just wire it yourself. Not hard.

Again. We own these cars and have these chargers installed. We know what they cost.


You can also just use the $250 mobile charger with $35 dryer plug adapter and have an additional dryer outlet installed in your garage for level 2 charging. Even cheaper.

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This whole argument that you can charge at home is a red herring.

If you want to spend 2.5K on a level 2 charger and charge with fossil fuels, you can. The logic behind this doesn't make sense to me though because you're still burning natural gas and coal to generate the energy. So you're not buying the car to be "green" here unless you invest even more money in solar panels.

If you are installing the level 2 just for the convenience of charging at home, then you might as well have bought an ICE. If you want to do any traveling whatsoever, then you probably will need to own an ICE for those occasions.

So basically, the only use case for EVs are home owners who don't commute long distances for work and don't care to do any weekend travel.

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As has been said repeatedly on this thread, the vast majority of EV owners responding on this thread do not care where the electricity comes from - they enjoy the EV benefits of being great to drive, much cheaper for both fuel and maintenance, and much less time spent fueling in public if they have L2 chargers at home, which most do.

If that doesn't work for you, fine. Don't get an EV. But it works very well for many of us.

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It would take 80 years to build enough electrical capacity to support EVs in the US. And most generation will always be hydrocarbons. Fantasy energy is a niche fantasy.

As far as coal, we ship most of it to China and India now and they burn it to produce electricity. LoL. Liberals are not smart.

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They're in China.

They can't affect global temperatures. Only the US and Europe can.

Duh...

Logos Stick said:

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It would take 80 years to build enough electrical capacity to support EVs in the US. And most generation will always be hydrocarbons. Fantasy energy is a niche fantasy.

As far as coal, we ship most of it to China and India now and they burn it to produce electricity. LoL. Liberals are not smart.

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If you believe it will take 80 years to add that much capacity to the grid, we are really screwed because the demand for data centers and AI is substantially more than what EVs will take.

This thread runs both ways. I described how EVs would be horrible for me and the EV fanboys came out in force with their "ackchyually" posts to tell me how I'm wrong.

EVs suck and this experience confirmed it. I'll never willingly buy one.

No one type of car can do everything the best. The key is to do well enough for yourself that you can own more than one. Good luck getting there Phillip!

Philip J Fry said:

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This thread runs both ways. I described how EVs would be horrible for me and the EV fanboys came out in force with their "ackchyually" posts to tell me how I'm wrong.

EVs suck and this experience confirmed it. I'll never willingly buy one.

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You came on here and told us home chargers cost $20,000

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Wrong again. The Tesla charger is $450. It's a simply 60 amp circuit and install from an electrician brings it to about $700. Or you can just wire it yourself. Not hard.

Again. We own these cars and have these chargers installed. We know what they cost.


You can also just use the $250 mobile charger with $35 dryer plug adapter and have an additional dryer outlet installed in your garage for level 2 charging. Even cheaper.

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If you have the capacity in the breaker box, if your run is not 200 ft, if your service is adequate, etc. Categorically stating the total cost will be x when there are multiple unknowns is quite disingenuous.

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Philip J Fry said:

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This thread runs both ways. I described how EVs would be horrible for me and the EV fanboys came out in force with their "ackchyually" posts to tell me how I'm wrong.

EVs suck and this experience confirmed it. I'll never willingly buy one.

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You came on here and told us home chargers cost $20,000

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He did say he wanted a Level 3. Costs to install a Level 3 are steep.

It's a simple 50amp breaker and will be installed in garage. Most people will be fine with a basic install.

It's not one size fits all.

For most single family homes it is.

Readers, this is the internet, tread carefully.

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No one type of car can do everything the best. The key is to do well enough for yourself that you can own more than one. Good luck getting there Phillip!

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The difference is that our government is actively trying to force us into something we don't want.

no dog in this fight but a 3 second search showed me this..



TYPES OF HOME EV CHARGERS
Not all EV chargers are made equal, and not all will get you a full tank of juice (so to speak) in time for the morning commute.

• Level 1 charging can typically bring an EV battery to 80% in about 40 to 50 hours. These chargers often come included with an EV purchase, and require only a common household 120-volt outlet to work.
• Level 2 charging setups require having a 240-volt circuit. They can charge a battery electric vehicle to 80% in four to 10 hours and a plug-in hybrid in one to two hours.
• Level 3 also called direct current fast charging chargers are usually found in public charging stations, such as Tesla's Supercharger locations, and are used often in commercial applications.

Charging stations and cables also come in a variety of standards, depending on plug type. Because these plugs are not interchangeable, it can be important to make sure your home charger has the correct one.

COSTS OF HOME CHARGING STATIONS
Within each level of charging, there's generally a range of prices for home equipment. There can also be differences in installation costs.

• Level 1 charging cables often come with new EVs, but they can also be purchased separately if you want a spare. The equipment for Level 1 chargers typically costs about $300 to about $600. You should also look into the labor costs for installation, which can cost $1,000 or more.
• Level 2 charging stations usually need to be purchased separately, though some automakers might provide rebates for purchase and installation. Level 2 charging equipment ordinarily runs about $500 to $700, although some of it can be more expensive.
• Level 3 chargers can cost tens of thousands of dollars for the equipment alone. Installed, Level 3 chargers generally cost about $12,000 to $45,000.

LESS OBVIOUS COSTS OF HOME CHARGING STATIONS
While many modern homes can support Level 1 charging without much in the way of renovation, not every EV owner is so lucky. Older homes may not have updated electrical setups that will work with a Level 1 charger. Some hidden costs of installing at-home EV chargers might include:

• Updating your house's electrical capabilities for a Level 1 charger. Although Level 1 chargers will work with standard 120-volt household plugs, some older homes could be wired for 15-amp or lower circuits. Additionally, if the plug is too far from the distribution box, it may lose too much current and need to be updated with higher-gauge wiring.
• Upgrading your home's electrical system for a Level 2 charger. Many homes, even new ones, could need electrical work for Level 2 chargers, as those hookups require 240-volt circuits. Such circuits are not common in homes unless they were specifically installed for large appliances.

The price of installing new circuits into your home will depend on a few factors. These include the state of your breaker box/electrical panel, which can cost anywhere from about $850 to $4,000 to upgrade, depending on how many amps you need. Other factors include the availability of circuits at a high enough amperage, which can cost about $600 to $1,200 to install, and the distance between the electrical panel and the charging station.
If you need to install a commercial-grade Level 3 EV charger, it could set you back tens of thousands of dollars. It likely also will require significant infrastructure setup, the cost for which varies based on your location and property.

https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/managing-your-money-wisely/how-much-does-a-home-ev-charger-really-cost/2737

Philip J Fry said:

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Jack Boyett said:

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No one type of car can do everything the best. The key is to do well enough for yourself that you can own more than one. Good luck getting there Phillip!

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The difference is that our government is actively trying to force us into something we don't want.

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Of all the reasons not to own an EV, the reason the government is pushing EVs is rather shallow.

Though people frequently make a poor decisions simply out of spite, rather than something concrete, so this wouldn't be all that unusual.

Exactly. Resist, we must.

The good news; it's happening. "The EV bubble bursts."

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Does this quote sound familiar?

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"The electric automobile will quickly and easily take precedence over all other kinds of motor carriages as soon as an effective battery of light weight is discovered."

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That's the Los Angeles Times in 1901. How about this one?

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"Prices on electric cars will continue to drop until they are within reach of the average family."

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That's the Washington Post, 1915.

At Substack, Robert Bryce headlines: "Tesla In Turmoil: The EV Meltdown In 10 Charts." The electric vehicle bubble is bursting, with Tesla, the only semi-successful EV manufacturer so far, in trouble. Its stock price has fallen 41% this year:

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Tesla is the bellwether for the EV business, and it's in trouble. Last week, the company announced it was laying off more than 10%, or about 14,000, of its employees. The move comes after a quarter during which the company missed delivery expectations and just before it reveals its quarterly profits on Tuesday. Here's what Wired wrote last Thursday about Tesla's situation: "Demand is dropping for electric cars in the U.S. and Europe, just as competition in China intensifies and workers revolt in Europe. Investors are worried."

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There are now murmurings that Tesla could go bankrupt. I like Elon Musk, and we need him: I fervently hope that he has gotten most of his money out of Tesla.

Robert offers a series of charts that document the problems the EV industry is facing. Sales of EVs (55% of them Teslas) are concentrated in a few states and a handful of very blue counties. Fewer vehicles are being sold overall, and an increasing number of Americans say they won't consider buying an EV. One reason why consumers don't want to buy EVs is that they understand charging them is a permanent problem that will prove insoluble if government mandates are actually enforced.

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More at the link.

Philip J Fry said:

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This thread runs both ways. I described how EVs would be horrible for me and the EV fanboys came out in force with their "ackchyually" posts to tell me how I'm wrong.

EVs suck and this experience confirmed it. I'll never willingly buy one.

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They pointed out where you were wrong in your statements, since you were wrong.