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Kansas Kid said:

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nortex97 said:

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I think Ford avoided bankruptcy and the "Obama bailouts." Chrysler's been broke so many times it's tough to keep track, and GM is at this point basically Government Motors.

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And then there was the $36B bailout of the UAW pension plan….

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That's true.

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Classic vote buying using other people's money that both parties do. This year's direct vote buying winner is by far the student loan forgiveness. Trump did his best with excessive Covid payments to voters. Obama did it with UAW and others, etc….

My annual ops budget is $0.3 Billion, (sounds better than 300 mil) and I can tell you it's not that hard spending someone else's money.

Kansas Kid said:

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nortex97 said:

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I think Ford avoided bankruptcy and the "Obama bailouts." Chrysler's been broke so many times it's tough to keep track, and GM is at this point basically Government Motors.

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And then there was the $36B bailout of the UAW pension plan….

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The big 3 been bailed out many times. It's a failed model and the UAW/dealership is a failed model. The 35B bailout essentially saved ford too. Now Biden and UAW wants to unionize Tesla so they can make them uncompetitive too?

Looks like another difficult quarter in store for Big T.

https://www.businessinsider.com/things-keep-getting-worse-for-tesla-elon-musk-2024-4?amp

techno-ag said:

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No way!

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Because gearbox fluid, gasoline and radiator fluid are not a Haz-Mat! Right?

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More like multiple batteries on fire slung all over the freeway. That won't stop burning.

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Sounds identical to a few quarts of ****** fluid. Exact same thing, actually.


But seriously, some of the batteries were exploding per that video. Not remotely comparable.

Username checks out.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/tesla-owner-calls-police-on-rivian-driver-using-supercharger

This Tesla owner really should learn to play nice with others...

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A Rivian driver got into a confrontation with a Tesla owner who appeared unaware that Superchargers are now open to other brands, an incident that highlights the need for more communication from Tesla about the initiative, the Rivian driver says.

The Rivian driver was trying to charge his newly delivered R1S at a Supercharger in California when a Model Y driver approached him, "demanding to know why I was there," according to a post on the Rivian Owners Forum.

"He then pointed to the red 'Tesla Vehicle Charging Only' signs and insisted that it was ILLEGAL for me to be there and that he was CALLING THE POLICE! I was taken aback by his extreme reaction," the Rivian driver writes.

Tesla gave Rivian access to its network last month at eligible stations. Ford EVs can also charge at Superchargers, while EVs from General Motors, Volvo, and Polestar are next on the list. For now, non-Teslas need an adapter to charge. In 2025, car makers will start making EVs with Tesla-backed NACS port instead of the CCS ports they currently use, making adapters unnecessary.

The R1S owner in this case decided not to wait for Rivian to ship him a Supercharger adapter, as the company is sending them in VIN order so he's likely be at the bottom of the list. He instead purchased an aftermarket adapter on Amazon, "since I am impatient."

The charge ports on non-Teslas, meanwhile, are also in a different spot on the vehicle, meaning they may have to park parallel to a Supercharger, taking up two spots. That's what happened here; "I had no choice but to park in a way that blocks two stalls," according to the Rivian driver.

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Wow. That Tesla owner sounds entitled.

You would think they'd be glad the Tesla charging port has become the de facto standard.

Pretty hilarious, if you ask me. Imagine someone insisting only GM vehicles should be allowed to refuel at Exxon stations.

Wow they must really be hurting.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/12/24128806/tesla-fsd-subscription-price-cut

Explain FSD's impact on Tesla's financials and what impact the reduction of the fees will have on them.

Not sure why some are fixated on the stock when this thread has nothing to do with it.

I drove Austin to Dallas today with FSD on 90% of the time and didn't have to take control other than when I wanted to speed past others. Much safer. One car cut in front of me and it slowed down before I could react. Car slowed down for bumper to bumper traffic before I noticed. I would not have been in an accident but people who are distracted could have.

Its close. Deny if you like but experience it before judging.

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Not sure why some are fixated on the stock when this thread has nothing to do with it.

I drove Austin to Dallas today with FSD on 90% of the time and didn't have to take control other than when I wanted to speed past others. Much safer. One car cut in front of me and it slowed down before I could react. Car slowed down for bumper to bumper traffic before I noticed. I would not have been in an accident but people who are distracted could have.

Its close. Deny if you like but experience it before judging.

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I've got that Level 2 stuff on my 2020 Gladiator.

Had a rental in NorCal earlier this year that had the lane maintain stuff, too. It was interesting....but, it didn't like if I took my hands off the wheel for too long. Gave me a *****in Betty nastygram on the front display.

FSD makes you keep your hands on too b/c its not been approved past Level 2. But if you use FSD, it is better than any other autonomy I have tried including the Mercedes level 3 which is a joke and Blue cruise.

I took a 20 mile city ride in Austin (at night), kept it on FSD and made it home without a glitch. Neither Mercedes or Ford is even close.

I saw a cybertruck in the wild today. It looks as ugly as **** in person as it does online.

Cybertruck production halted. Apparently a pedal keeps getting stuck.

https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-deliveries-reportedly-halted/

Anaheim Police to test out using Model Ys as squad cars. This … Hertz.

https://www.teslarati.com/anaheim-police-tesla-model-y/amp/

techno-ag said:

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Anaheim Police to test out using Model Ys as squad cars. This … Hertz.

https://www.teslarati.com/anaheim-police-tesla-model-y/amp/

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A number of police departments have used Teslas and found them to be a lot cheaper to operate because of how they are used in that service. This is a totally different situation than Hertz and you know it but always try to inflame the situation.


Here is a real world result in Canada where you ICE trolls say EVs don't work due to cold.
https://canadiancor.com/breaking-news/tesla-model-3-used-by-police-department-reveals-massive-financial-savings/

techno-ag said:

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Anaheim Police to test out using Model Ys as squad cars. This … Hertz.

https://www.teslarati.com/anaheim-police-tesla-model-y/amp/

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While you're getting robbed, raped, or murdered. Future cops.

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techno-ag said:

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Anaheim Police to test out using Model Ys as squad cars. This … Hertz.

https://www.teslarati.com/anaheim-police-tesla-model-y/amp/

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A number of police departments have used Teslas and found them to be a lot cheaper to operate because of how they are used in that service. This is a totally different situation than Hertz and you know it but always try to inflame the situation.


Here is a real world result in Canada where you ICE trolls say EVs don't work due to cold.
https://canadiancor.com/breaking-news/tesla-model-3-used-by-police-department-reveals-massive-financial-savings/

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A sample of one is always definitive. You can draw a line right through that data point to extrapolate it...

techno-ag said:

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Cybertruck production halted. Apparently a pedal keeps getting stuck.

https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-deliveries-reportedly-halted/

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Accelerator pedals coming apart will be one tricky software fix

The use case is almost perfect for police. They drive slow most of the time while on patrol, do mostly city driving which includes significant regenerative braking, and they have the ability to charge at every shift handover.

Ag with kids said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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techno-ag said:

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Anaheim Police to test out using Model Ys as squad cars. This … Hertz.

https://www.teslarati.com/anaheim-police-tesla-model-y/amp/

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A number of police departments have used Teslas and found them to be a lot cheaper to operate because of how they are used in that service. This is a totally different situation than Hertz and you know it but always try to inflame the situation.


Here is a real world result in Canada where you ICE trolls say EVs don't work due to cold.
https://canadiancor.com/breaking-news/tesla-model-3-used-by-police-department-reveals-massive-financial-savings/

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A sample of one is always definitive. You can draw a line right through that data point to extrapolate it...

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There are other departments that have similar result but I didn't realize you think that we need to post results from all of them which would make the posts around here long if we start doing that.

I notice you are fine with samples of one on the other side of the issue btw.

Since you want more though…..
https://www.daywireless.com/blog/2022/06/07/the-case-of-the-lake-oswego-police-tesla/


"An internet search for "Tesla police car" will reveal dozens of results of other agencies around the nation who are using Tesla's as police cars. They've become popular enough that emergency vehicle equipment manufactures like Setina, Havis, Whelen, etc., have been advertising their Tesla-specific equipment on the cover of catalogs and mailers."
https://www.police1.com/police-products/vehicles/patrol/articles/is-your-pd-considering-an-electric-vehicle-purchase-this-chief-answers-faqs-about-tesla-model-y-squad-GOMrnyOLaE3aB4tC/

"Perhaps the biggest takeaway was the money saved by going electric. For the year, they saved about $24,000 in fuel and maintenance by running the three electric police cruisers."

"The savings were more than we anticipated," said police chief Scott. "It was due to our brakes. We have high performance brakes on our police vehicles. Throughout the course of a year, we will put $2,000 of brakes on one vehicle. The regenerative braking of the Tesla completely dissolved that cost for us and that is something that we weren't expecting." ADDED NOTE: I guess the high particulate matter from EV braking is a lot less than ICE braking.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/04/01/police-tesla-takeaways-after-a-year/

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The use case is almost perfect for police. They drive slow most of the time while on patrol, do mostly city driving which includes significant regenerative braking, and they have the ability to charge at every shift handover.

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No, cops are doing 100+ mile high speed chases every day, just like everyone on TexAgs commutes 500 miles each way uphill pulling a horse trailer

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The use case is almost perfect for police. They drive slow most of the time while on patrol, do mostly city driving which includes significant regenerative braking, and they have the ability to charge at every shift handover. donut shop.

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fify

Kansas Kid said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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techno-ag said:

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Anaheim Police to test out using Model Ys as squad cars. This … Hertz.

https://www.teslarati.com/anaheim-police-tesla-model-y/amp/

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A number of police departments have used Teslas and found them to be a lot cheaper to operate because of how they are used in that service. This is a totally different situation than Hertz and you know it but always try to inflame the situation.


Here is a real world result in Canada where you ICE trolls say EVs don't work due to cold.
https://canadiancor.com/breaking-news/tesla-model-3-used-by-police-department-reveals-massive-financial-savings/

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A sample of one is always definitive. You can draw a line right through that data point to extrapolate it...

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There are other departments that have similar result but I didn't realize you think that we need to post results from all of them which would make the posts around here long if we start doing that.

I notice you are fine with samples of one on the other side of the issue btw.

Since you want more though…..
https://www.daywireless.com/blog/2022/06/07/the-case-of-the-lake-oswego-police-tesla/


"An internet search for "Tesla police car" will reveal dozens of results of other agencies around the nation who are using Tesla's as police cars. They've become popular enough that emergency vehicle equipment manufactures like Setina, Havis, Whelen, etc., have been advertising their Tesla-specific equipment on the cover of catalogs and mailers."
https://www.police1.com/police-products/vehicles/patrol/articles/is-your-pd-considering-an-electric-vehicle-purchase-this-chief-answers-faqs-about-tesla-model-y-squad-GOMrnyOLaE3aB4tC/

"Perhaps the biggest takeaway was the money saved by going electric. For the year, they saved about $24,000 in fuel and maintenance by running the three electric police cruisers."

"The savings were more than we anticipated," said police chief Scott. "It was due to our brakes. We have high performance brakes on our police vehicles. Throughout the course of a year, we will put $2,000 of brakes on one vehicle. The regenerative braking of the Tesla completely dissolved that cost for us and that is something that we weren't expecting." ADDED NOTE: I guess the high particulate matter from EV braking is a lot less than ICE braking.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/04/01/police-tesla-takeaways-after-a-year/

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A) Go buy yourself a new Sarcasmeter

B) Are the regenerative brakes made of Unobtainium Scungite? If you're spending $2000 on brake jobs in a year, that's something between 5 and 10 brakes jobs. How does the material not degrade like it would in a vehicle that got 5-10 brake jobs?

Don't forget you have government labor being used for routine repairs on these cars and to acquire the parts so that at least triples the cost. I am not certain, but I think most police cruisers have specialized brake systems.

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B) Are the regenerative brakes made of Unobtainium Scungite? If you're spending $2000 on brake jobs in a year, that's something between 5 and 10 brakes jobs. How does the material not degrade like it would in a vehicle that got 5-10 brake jobs?

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This just shows you know little about EVs but continue to "educate" others. Best to get educated before making yourself look foolish.

Most Tesla drivers never had brake jobs. There are many people who have 200K+ miles with the original pads. I had 70K in my old one and the brakes were essentially brand new. Amazing what happens when you brake 1-2 times a day versus hundreds of times a day. I brake in a year what I would break in a wk with an ICE car.

Here is entertainment for some of y'all. Fast forward to 6 min

Looks like driver error more than anything. But still funny.

BEV's taking such a hit, Tesla is laying people off;

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EV Sales Growth Slows; Market Leader Tesla Stalls

While annual EV sales continue to grow in the U.S. market, the growth rate has slowed notably. Sales in Q1 rose 2.6% year over year, but fell 15.2% compared to Q4 2023. The increase last quarter was well below the previous two years.

In Q1 2023, EV sales volumes were up 46.4% year over year and 15.5% quarter over quarter. In Q1 2022, EV sales were higher by 81.2% year over year and 20.4% higher than the previous quarter.

...Notably, lower prices have supported EV sales volume in the U.S., particularly for key Tesla models. The average transaction price for a new EV in Q1 was $55,167, a 9.0% decrease compared to Q1 2023 and down 3.8% quarter over quarter. Tesla's average transaction price was $52,315 in Q1, down roughly 13.5% year over year. However, lower prices did not generate higher volume.

Many automakers have followed Tesla's lead and slashed prices. Incentive spending on EVs has increased notably in the past year, another sign of slowing demand. Leasing, too, has increased. In Q1, roughly 27% of all EVs were leased, more than double from the year before. With leasing, many buyers can qualify for the full $7,500 incentive the Inflation Reduction Act offers.

One bright spot in Q1: Strong EV sales from luxury makers, suggesting the EV market continues to be luxury-driven. Cadillac achieved a 499.2% year-over-year increase in electric vehicle sales due to robust sales of its Lyriq model. At Mercedes, EV sales were up 66.9%. BMW posted a 62.6% increase in EV sales compared to Q1 2023. At Audi, Q1 EV sales grew 28.8% year over year.

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Blistering op-eds are in newspapers everywhere, ripping states for forcing illogical, impractical, and hugely expensive EV mandates on residents.

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OPINION: The EV elite are putting thousands of Americans out of work with repeat layoffs
There are times when we all must wonder if Santa Fe is in a different time zone. For example: when it is 2:30 p.m. in Las Cruces, politicians in Santa Fe are still pretending it's 2021. In the most glaring example, it's clear the electric vehicle bubble has burst, except the news hasn't reached Santa Fe.

That would be the only way to rationally explain the state Environmental Improvement Board's recent decision to continue to force Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham's electric vehicle mandate. Putting aside the fact the governor's mandate disrupts the free market just so she can push her agenda, it also is completely devoid of the reality current taking place.

Last year, less than 8% of all vehicles sold were electric. Supporters hail this result as a threshold moment meant to usher in the future of their glorified golf carts. However, as the first quarter of 2024 came to a close, it looks like electric vehicles may be following the path of laser disks and New Coke.

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Rumors swirled early this morning that Tesla, the king of the EVs, was preparing to announce layoffs of as many as 20% of its global workforcean unthinkable event even a year ago. Clearly, some adjustments were going to have be made. Not only were there production issues (European labor unions, etc) and supply problems beyond Tesla's control, but the simple fact remains that demand had dropped off.

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I'm not celebrating people getting laid off, but I am glad the pushback keeps gaining steam.

Devastating.

Another day, another stock downgrade. Think we're getting into 52wl territory.

https://www.barrons.com/amp/articles/tesla-stock-price-downgrade-ba7aa63f