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Drivers are generally irresponsible though, at least half the time. If an EV is running the heater, it will be lucky to last a few hours close to an idle traffic speed. Most won't wind up setting out with a perfectly full/charged battery either. An ICE vehicle can run the engine intermittently as such and benefit from the 'thermal inefficiency' to keep consumption under .2gallons/hour easily while remaining relatively comfortable/safe.

This is a very valid concern for owners and disaster management/planning staff alike.

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How many people run their heater when evacuating a hurricane? Virtually no one because they don't hit when it is cold out.

They use 3-7 miles of range when running their A/C vs an ICE that will use 1-2 gallons of gasoline to do the same.

nortex97 said:

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I was told Tesla's wonder software cannot be hacked. This must be fake news.

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If you own a Tesla, you might want to be extra careful logging into the WiFi networks at Tesla charging stations.
Security researchers Tommy Mysk and Talal Haj Bakry of Mysk Inc. published a YouTube video explaining how easy it can be for hackers to run off with your car using a clever social engineering trick.
Here's how it works.
Many Tesla charging stations of which there are over 50,000 in the world offer a WiFi network typically called "Tesla Guest" that Tesla owners can log into and use while they wait for their car to charge, according to Mysk's video.
Using a device called a Flipper Zero a simple $169 hacking tool the researchers created their own "Tesla Guest" WiFi network. When a victim tries to access the network, they are taken to a fake Tesla login page created by the hackers, who then steal their username, password, and two-factor authentication code directly from the duplicate site.
Although Mysk used a Flipper Zero to set up their own WiFi network, this step of the process can also be done with nearly any wireless device, like a Raspberry Pi, a laptop, or a cell phone, Mysk said in the video.
Once the hackers have stolen the credentials to the owner's Tesla account, they can use it to log into the real Tesla app, but they have to do it quickly before the 2FA code expires, Mysk explains in the video.
One of Tesla vehicles' unique features is that owners can use their phones as a digital key to unlock their car without the need for a physical key card.
Once logged in to the app with the owner's credentials, the researchers set up a new phone key while staying a few feet away from the parked car.
The hackers wouldn't even need to steal the car right then and there; they could track the Tesla's location from the app and go steal it later.

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That would be a real dilemma; park it inside the garage to avoid possibly being stolen, or accept the theft risk and stay safer by leaving it on the street at night.

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ALWAYS read a Nortex link.

They didn't hack the software. They just phished the owner information.

Kansas Kid said:

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You realize they used a public WiFi and not a home WiFi to do this. I would call using a social engineering attack as exactly hacking. Anyone that uses an unsecured public WiFi is placing their data at risk for ANY system such as their bank or brokerage account, social media account, etc.

Can Teslas be hacked? Yes, but so can anything that is connected to the web which is becoming most new cars sold in the US.

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It's a simple Man in the Middle attack...it IS a cyberattack, I wouldn't say it's "hacking" though...but that could be a bit of semantics.

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Tanya 93 said:

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RanchoBrushyTop said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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techno-ag said:

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JayM said:

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cecil77 said:

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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This didn't happen.

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No

It actually did.

People in North Houston drove up to get gas.

And I still had to grade things even when on maternity leave. I will admit everyone loved my kid when I brought him to get papers to grade and do school photos.

Who were you before?

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Further support for Tanya's position. Note, the lines happened in some areas of the country not even touched by Ike.

https://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/12/ike.gas.irpt/index.html

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Harvey screwed things up all the way to DFW. There were almost no gas stations that had gas after a few days. My daughter got married that weekend and my dad couldn't make it up from SA because there was no gas out in Lakehills or Boerne for him to get to drive up to DFW...

I was lucky that I filled my tank up the day before everything went to **** so I was able to make it there. It was surreal driving up to the Frisco area passing empty gas stations along the way.

Tanya 93 said:

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techno-ag said:

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JayM said:

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cecil77 said:

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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Wait...wtf???

Are you telling us that demon spawn turns 16 this year?????

I can only imagine what the buccee's super chargers would/will look like during the next Houston evacuation.

Ag with kids said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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You realize they used a public WiFi and not a home WiFi to do this. I would call using a social engineering attack as exactly hacking. Anyone that uses an unsecured public WiFi is placing their data at risk for ANY system such as their bank or brokerage account, social media account, etc.

Can Teslas be hacked? Yes, but so can anything that is connected to the web which is becoming most new cars sold in the US.

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It's a simple Man in the Middle attack...it IS a cyberattack, I wouldn't say it's "hacking" though...but that could be a bit of semantics.

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All I was trying to point out was it is much easier to do these when public WiFi is used. Nortex was saying you shouldn't put your car in your garage because of this risk but that is a private WiFi that most people have some level of security on. Could it still be hacked, yes but way less likely. They could also send a phishing email to try to steal login credentials.

If someone is really worried about it, they can change the settings in the Tesla so it won't connect with cell phones making this method much less likely to gain control of the car. I believe Tesla could still gain control in that situation which means there is still a possibility of hacking the system but again, this is way harder to do that breaking in and hot wiring a car which is done hundreds of thousands of times a year.

Ag with kids said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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techno-ag said:

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JayM said:

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cecil77 said:

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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Wait...wtf???

Are you telling us that demon spawn turns 16 this year?????

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Yep

And a learner's permit

Ag with kids said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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RanchoBrushyTop said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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techno-ag said:

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JayM said:

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cecil77 said:

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Quote:

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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This didn't happen.

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No

It actually did.

People in North Houston drove up to get gas.

And I still had to grade things even when on maternity leave. I will admit everyone loved my kid when I brought him to get papers to grade and do school photos.

Who were you before?

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Further support for Tanya's position. Note, the lines happened in some areas of the country not even touched by Ike.

https://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/12/ike.gas.irpt/index.html

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Harvey screwed things up all the way to DFW. There were almost no gas stations that had gas after a few days. My daughter got married that weekend and my dad couldn't make it up from SA because there was no gas out in Lakehills or Boerne for him to get to drive up to DFW...

I was lucky that I filled my tank up the day before everything went to **** so I was able to make it there. It was surreal driving up to the Frisco area passing empty gas stations along the way.

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With an EV, assuming you bring your charge cord, all you need to do is find an outlet to plug into and you can get energy to recharge the battery. It may be slow if it is a low amp connection but that is still better than trying to make gasoline at home to fill your car. If the electric grid is down which someone will post, then you also can't get gas because few gas stations have backup generators to power their pumps and that darn electricity is needed to run them as well.

I do think mass scale EV evacuations will have challenges given charge times but by the time you need to charge, you are out of the danger zone of a hurricane. Most EVs should make it over 300 miles assuming it is slow, stop and go traffic like usually happens in those situations as their usage rate per mile will go down a lot from driving 65mph+ on normal interstate/highway conditions.

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Kansas Kid said:

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You realize they used a public WiFi and not a home WiFi to do this. I would call using a social engineering attack as exactly hacking. Anyone that uses an unsecured public WiFi is placing their data at risk for ANY system such as their bank or brokerage account, social media account, etc.

Can Teslas be hacked? Yes, but so can anything that is connected to the web which is becoming most new cars sold in the US.

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It's a simple Man in the Middle attack...it IS a cyberattack, I wouldn't say it's "hacking" though...but that could be a bit of semantics.

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Kansas Kid said:

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nortex97 said:

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Drivers are generally irresponsible though, at least half the time. If an EV is running the heater, it will be lucky to last a few hours close to an idle traffic speed. Most won't wind up setting out with a perfectly full/charged battery either. An ICE vehicle can run the engine intermittently as such and benefit from the 'thermal inefficiency' to keep consumption under .2gallons/hour easily while remaining relatively comfortable/safe.

This is a very valid concern for owners and disaster management/planning staff alike.

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How many people run their heater when evacuating a hurricane? Virtually no one because they don't hit when it is cold out.

They use 3-7 miles of range when running their A/C vs an ICE that will use 1-2 gallons of gasoline to do the same.

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Was about to point out the heater too. So ridiculous.

Kansas Kid said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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You realize they used a public WiFi and not a home WiFi to do this. I would call using a social engineering attack as exactly hacking. Anyone that uses an unsecured public WiFi is placing their data at risk for ANY system such as their bank or brokerage account, social media account, etc.

Can Teslas be hacked? Yes, but so can anything that is connected to the web which is becoming most new cars sold in the US.

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It's a simple Man in the Middle attack...it IS a cyberattack, I wouldn't say it's "hacking" though...but that could be a bit of semantics.

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All I was trying to point out was it is much easier to do these when public WiFi is used. Nortex was saying you shouldn't put your car in your garage because of this risk but that is a private WiFi that most people have some level of security on. Could it still be hacked, yes but way less likely. They could also send a phishing email to try to steal login credentials.

If someone is really worried about it, they can change the settings in the Tesla so it won't connect with cell phones making this method much less likely to gain control of the car. I believe Tesla could still gain control in that situation which means there is still a possibility of hacking the system but again, this is way harder to do that breaking in and hot wiring a car which is done hundreds of thousands of times a year.

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No I was saying/asserting it might make sense to keep one in a garage/dwelling shelter since they are obviously at risk of being stolen if the phone is used on public WiFi. But then it's a trade off in terms of personal vs. property safety.

And again it's not unrealistic to think people will continue to be stranded on highways when cold weather hits. This will happen increasingly with older EV's as/if their market share grows. And again, many won't start out stuck/slow with a fully charged battery.

I guess there are a lot of hacks around Tesla's in particular.

"Hacks"

Way to try to deflect the comment about using heaters when evacuating from a hurricane. Now you talk about getting stranded in cold weather which is a totally different subject than the one you raised earlier about a bill banning EVs during hurricane evacuations. Just own the mistake and move on.

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Charged my Tesla at home to 310miles, drove to Houston from Austin and had 120miles when checked into hotel. Left after a few days with 90 miles due to sentry mode/driving for short errands. Drove to Austin, had 4 choices of superchargers. Decided on Buccees, went to bathroom and got a soft drink total of 10 min. Went back to car, waited an extra 5 minutes to charge costing $13. Drove home, with 30 miles left. Will wake up tomorrow with 260 miles range charging at home.

So I drove a total of 400 miles, costing me about $20 in electricity instead of $40 in gas. Saved $20 for an extra 5 min at Buccees or 10 min going to any other gas station

Its a no brained to save $20 for 5 minutes extra and then waking up tomorrow with full range. I will save 20 minutes/mo not needing to pour gas. So I actually will be saving time with my EV.

No range anxiety whatsoever. Range anxiety is overblown if you drive a Tesla and get used to it.

Anyone who thinks they are wasting time charging at a supercharger is missing the point that overall you save a lot more time with an EV due to avoiding regular gas station visits.

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Serious question. Are you British or something? People say "pump gas" around here, but you have used "pour gas" multiple times. Do you like the terms petrol, lorry and boot? Just curious.

nortex97 said:

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Drivers are generally irresponsible though, at least half the time. If an EV is running the heater, it will be lucky to last a few hours close to an idle traffic speed. Most won't wind up setting out with a perfectly full/charged battery either. An ICE vehicle can run the engine intermittently as such and benefit from the 'thermal inefficiency' to keep consumption under .2gallons/hour easily while remaining relatively comfortable/safe.

This is a very valid concern for owners and disaster management/planning staff alike.

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"Lucky to last a few hours"

A few like 45?

Like "a few hours probably"?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38807463/tesla-model-3-climate-control-cold-weather-test/

You know, just in case a hurricane hits Florida when it's 9 degrees.

Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

Why are we debating disasters which are extremely rare instances. If I knew a hurricane was coming, I would charge my Tesla fully overnight, and drive off 2 dys before the hurricane hits. If you leave the night before, then you have made your own bed. Everyone who left Houston right before a natural disaster took the risk of being stuck on the road with no gas/charging station.

The disaster scenario is almost as dumb as the fire scenario.



Almost.

Medaggie said:

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Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

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That's exactly what a British person would say. HAH! We've thrown a spanner in your plans to infiltrate us...

It's especially stupid considering that an EV will ultimately be used to provide backup power in all manner of scenarios.

A hurricane evacuation during winter with sub-zero ambient temperatures would certainly be a challenge.

Ag with kids said:

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Medaggie said:

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Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

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That's exactly what a British person would say. HAH! We've thrown a spanner in your plans to infiltrate us...

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And he's forced to drive on the wrong side of the road. To heck with him!

Medaggie said:

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Why are we debating disasters which are extremely rare instances. If I knew a hurricane was coming, I would charge my Tesla fully overnight, and drive off 2 dys before the hurricane hits. If you leave the night before, then you have made your own bed. Everyone who left Houston right before a natural disaster took the risk of being stuck on the road with no gas/charging station.

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Because disasters matter. Many don't have a backup ICE vehicle, believe it or not.

People don't buy guns and ammo and invest in training to use those skills/tools every day. They buy them for when they need them. I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people leave in a hurricane evacuation in the last 48 hours before it hits. EV's will be a growing liability in such situations moving forward, imho, on I-45 and elsewhere.

Sorry for caring about my fellow citizens/Aggies.

Oh, and cold weather evacuations happen too. I suppose Florida isn't usually too bad but they also have freezing temperatures many months (hurricane season runs thru Nov in Florida and they have hit up north of course as well). A lot of folks don't have the resources to plan ahead a week for stays etc.

There's a lot of arrogance/confidence in understanding disasters/people's situations in this thread today, probably more than usual, imho.

Yeah, an EV would be lucky to last a few hours in those frigid Florida Novembers.

Oh wait, that was complete B.S. as usual.

Medaggie said:

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Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

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Not fixated it's just really odd on your part. Do you pull up to a pouring station and say "I'm going to pour some gas at this self-service gas pourer?"

techno-ag said:

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Medaggie said:

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Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

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Not fixated it's just really odd on your part. Do you pull up to a pouring station and say "I'm going to pour some gas at this self-service gas pourer?"

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Yeah, just an idle curiosity. Language is interesting.

"pour gas" is something that I don't know that I've ever heard in 69+ years. Would be interesting to know the derivation.

nortex97 said:

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Medaggie said:

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Why are we debating disasters which are extremely rare instances. If I knew a hurricane was coming, I would charge my Tesla fully overnight, and drive off 2 dys before the hurricane hits. If you leave the night before, then you have made your own bed. Everyone who left Houston right before a natural disaster took the risk of being stuck on the road with no gas/charging station.

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Because disasters matter. Many don't have a backup ICE vehicle, believe it or not.

People don't buy guns and ammo and invest in training to use those skills/tools every day. They buy them for when they need them. I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people leave in a hurricane evacuation in the last 48 hours before it hits. EV's will be a growing liability in such situations moving forward, imho, on I-45 and elsewhere.

Sorry for caring about my fellow citizens/Aggies.

Oh, and cold weather evacuations happen too. I suppose Florida isn't usually too bad but they also have freezing temperatures many months (hurricane season runs thru Nov in Florida and they have hit up north of course as well). A lot of folks don't have the resources to plan ahead a week for stays etc.

There's a lot of arrogance/confidence in understanding disasters/people's situations in this thread today, probably more than usual, imho.

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One of the more leftist statements made on this thread. Emotionally manipulative to try to portray yourself as a kind-hearted person, while pushing the suggestion that people who drive EVs should be banned from fleeing a disaster.

Hilarious.

cecil77 said:

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techno-ag said:

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Medaggie said:

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Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

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Not fixated it's just really odd on your part. Do you pull up to a pouring station and say "I'm going to pour some gas at this self-service gas pourer?"

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Yeah, just an idle curiosity. Language is interesting.

"pour gas" is something that I don't know that I've ever heard in 69+ years. Would be interesting to know the derivation.

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It is used in the Midwest fairly often. Just like it is pop and not Coke or soda.

cecil77 said:

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techno-ag said:

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Medaggie said:

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Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

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Not fixated it's just really odd on your part. Do you pull up to a pouring station and say "I'm going to pour some gas at this self-service gas pourer?"

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Yeah, just an idle curiosity. Language is interesting.

"pour gas" is something that I don't know that I've ever heard in 69+ years. Would be interesting to know the derivation.

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Oh I'm sure you've heard the term "pour gas" before.

But, it involved using a gas can, not a pump.

Ag with kids said:

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cecil77 said:

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techno-ag said:

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Medaggie said:

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Are you seriously fixated on how someone terms doing something where you have nothing else to do but nitpick on word usage? I am very confident my grammar, work experience, managerial experience, and education would trump yours.

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Not fixated it's just really odd on your part. Do you pull up to a pouring station and say "I'm going to pour some gas at this self-service gas pourer?"

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Yeah, just an idle curiosity. Language is interesting.

"pour gas" is something that I don't know that I've ever heard in 69+ years. Would be interesting to know the derivation.

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Oh I'm sure you've heard the term "pour gas" before.

But, it involved using a gas can, not a pump.

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Nah, I'm from the Valley where we "put gas".

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nortex97 said:

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Medaggie said:

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Why are we debating disasters which are extremely rare instances. If I knew a hurricane was coming, I would charge my Tesla fully overnight, and drive off 2 dys before the hurricane hits. If you leave the night before, then you have made your own bed. Everyone who left Houston right before a natural disaster took the risk of being stuck on the road with no gas/charging station.

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Because disasters matter. Many don't have a backup ICE vehicle, believe it or not.

People don't buy guns and ammo and invest in training to use those skills/tools every day. They buy them for when they need them. I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people leave in a hurricane evacuation in the last 48 hours before it hits. EV's will be a growing liability in such situations moving forward, imho, on I-45 and elsewhere.

Sorry for caring about my fellow citizens/Aggies.

Oh, and cold weather evacuations happen too. I suppose Florida isn't usually too bad but they also have freezing temperatures many months (hurricane season runs thru Nov in Florida and they have hit up north of course as well). A lot of folks don't have the resources to plan ahead a week for stays etc.

There's a lot of arrogance/confidence in understanding disasters/people's situations in this thread today, probably more than usual, imho.

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One of the more leftist statements made on this thread. Emotionally manipulative to try to portray yourself as a kind-hearted person, while pushing the suggestion that people who drive EVs should be banned from fleeing a disaster.

Hilarious.

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It is consistent with his great leftist concerns about the environmental damage caused by EV manufacturing and operations. He also wants to protect people from fires from EVs (but not the ones caused by other vehicles).

hph6203 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Medaggie said:

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Why are we debating disasters which are extremely rare instances. If I knew a hurricane was coming, I would charge my Tesla fully overnight, and drive off 2 dys before the hurricane hits. If you leave the night before, then you have made your own bed. Everyone who left Houston right before a natural disaster took the risk of being stuck on the road with no gas/charging station.

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Because disasters matter. Many don't have a backup ICE vehicle, believe it or not.

People don't buy guns and ammo and invest in training to use those skills/tools every day. They buy them for when they need them. I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people leave in a hurricane evacuation in the last 48 hours before it hits. EV's will be a growing liability in such situations moving forward, imho, on I-45 and elsewhere.

Sorry for caring about my fellow citizens/Aggies.

Oh, and cold weather evacuations happen too. I suppose Florida isn't usually too bad but they also have freezing temperatures many months (hurricane season runs thru Nov in Florida and they have hit up north of course as well). A lot of folks don't have the resources to plan ahead a week for stays etc.

There's a lot of arrogance/confidence in understanding disasters/people's situations in this thread today, probably more than usual, imho.

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One of the more leftist statements made on this thread. Emotionally manipulative to try to portray yourself as a kind-hearted person, while pushing the suggestion that people who drive EVs should be banned from fleeing a disaster.

Hilarious.

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Where did he say that?

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3281480/replies/67130872

Kansas Kid said:

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hph6203 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Medaggie said:

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Why are we debating disasters which are extremely rare instances. If I knew a hurricane was coming, I would charge my Tesla fully overnight, and drive off 2 dys before the hurricane hits. If you leave the night before, then you have made your own bed. Everyone who left Houston right before a natural disaster took the risk of being stuck on the road with no gas/charging station.

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Because disasters matter. Many don't have a backup ICE vehicle, believe it or not.

People don't buy guns and ammo and invest in training to use those skills/tools every day. They buy them for when they need them. I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people leave in a hurricane evacuation in the last 48 hours before it hits. EV's will be a growing liability in such situations moving forward, imho, on I-45 and elsewhere.

Sorry for caring about my fellow citizens/Aggies.

Oh, and cold weather evacuations happen too. I suppose Florida isn't usually too bad but they also have freezing temperatures many months (hurricane season runs thru Nov in Florida and they have hit up north of course as well). A lot of folks don't have the resources to plan ahead a week for stays etc.

There's a lot of arrogance/confidence in understanding disasters/people's situations in this thread today, probably more than usual, imho.

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One of the more leftist statements made on this thread. Emotionally manipulative to try to portray yourself as a kind-hearted person, while pushing the suggestion that people who drive EVs should be banned from fleeing a disaster.

Hilarious.

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It is consistent with his great leftist concerns about the environmental damage caused by EV manufacturing and operations. He also wants to protect people from fires from EVs (but not the ones caused by other vehicles).

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*and disposal. Horrible impact on our communities/environment.