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The biggest barrier to towing your boat is going to be the lack of pull through stations.

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Will drop the boat in the parking lot and charge the truck. No problem.

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This sounds like a huge ass beating.

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You ever backed a Ford Lightning up to a trailer? Piece of cake.

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It does, but if he's willing to put up with it then more power to him. At 50 miles, depending on spec of his truck and size of his boat he might not even need to charge.

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Driving from my home to Lake Fork and back would just about deplete the battery. So I'll drive back though Lindale/Hideaway and charge at the Collin Street bakery by the interstate. While the truck charges I'll get a cinnamon roll and jump in the boat and get my rods and tackle ready for the next trip. Will only need about 40 miles of charge.

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The biggest barrier to towing your boat is going to be the lack of pull through stations.

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Will drop the boat in the parking lot and charge the truck. No problem.

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This sounds like a huge ass beating.

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You ever backed a Ford Lightning up to a trailer? Piece of cake.

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I have never had an issue backing a truck up to a trailer with a backup camera

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JayM said:

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Teslag said:

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The biggest barrier to towing your boat is going to be the lack of pull through stations.

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Will drop the boat in the parking lot and charge the truck. No problem.

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This sounds like a huge ass beating.

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You ever backed a Ford Lightning up to a trailer? Piece of cake.

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I have never had an issue backing a truck up to a trailer with a backup camera

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So no huge ass beating. Piece of cake or cinnamon roll at the bakery in my case.

Hooking a trailer up at home is fine. Disconnecting and then reconnecting a trailer in a parking lot just so I can charge is not.

And this is coming from the biggest EV fan on this board. Right tools, right job. If you tow you can't beat an ICE truck.

Teslag said:

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JayM said:

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hph6203 said:

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The biggest barrier to towing your boat is going to be the lack of pull through stations.

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Will drop the boat in the parking lot and charge the truck. No problem.

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This sounds like a huge ass beating.

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The solution is just a handwave away.

ETA: I see the handwaves came out...

Teslag said:

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Hooking a trailer up at home is fine. Disconnecting and then reconnecting a trailer in a parking lot just so I can charge is not.

And this is coming from the biggest EV fan on this board. Right tools, right job. If you tow you can't beat an ICE truck.

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Well what did Rumsfeld say? You go to war with the army you have and not the army you want. I have an EV truck. I've done recon.
I can pull in, back up the trailer, drop it. Pull forward forty feet and plug in. It will not be a problem. And many Tesla supercharger locations in this neck of the woods are located in very large travel centers with abundant space.
I can do no more to convince you that this is no problem for me. And if I wanted an ICE truck, I could buy one tomorrow. I'm a man of means.

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

JayM said:

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Teslag said:

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Hooking a trailer up at home is fine. Disconnecting and then reconnecting a trailer in a parking lot just so I can charge is not.

And this is coming from the biggest EV fan on this board. Right tools, right job. If you tow you can't beat an ICE truck.

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Well what did Rumsfeld say? You go to war with the army you have and not the army you want. I have an EV truck. I've done recon.
I can pull in, back up the trailer, drop it. Pull forward forty feet and plug in. It will not be a problem. And many Tesla supercharger locations in this neck of the woods are located in very large travel centers with abundant space.
I can do no more to convince you that this is no problem for me. And if I wanted an ICE truck, I could buy one tomorrow. I'm a man of means.

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By no means...

King of the road...

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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I'd say that the initial displeasure results from all the government mandates and subsidies/credits that distort the market towards EVs and away from ICE vehicles.

Then, you toss in the political views of the majority of those that push EVs vs the people who don't like government pushing things on them.

So, you get what we have now...

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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Um … you're complaining about people discussing this on a thread that's about why the OP will never buy an EV?

Odd.

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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Um … you're complaining about people discussing this on a thread that's about why the OP will never buy an EV?

Odd.

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And the OP asking people to try to convince her otherwise. She didn't ask to here why not to buy one. Reading comprehension is tough.


"The reason why is The Hubs has a hard time keeping the lake house golf cart charged, all of his tools charged.

We have multiple 200 amps drops on the ranch. But keeping that many things charged even on a trickle cell does not work forever. They die.

Until battery tech makes a HUGE advancement, EVs are futile.

Now, tell me why I am wrong."

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That is the single most peculiar thing on this thread. People that have never driven these cars telling us what it's like to own them.

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Kind of like people on the Left with no advanced education or training in physical sciences telling us about climate change and people on the Left with no advanced education or training in biological sciences telling us when to wear masks, isolate, and take vaccines.

EV ownership smacks of (is symbolic of) the Left trying to force a Climate Change agenda on the Right and as such, EV ownership is reviled and despised by some on the Right.

You'd be stunned by the frequency of Biden bashing in the online Tesla discourse.

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You'd be stunned by the frequency of Biden bashing in the online Tesla discourse.

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And the anti EV people that seem to have no problem with mandates that cars be sold through dealerships and now it seems there is support for the Wyoming bill that would ban EVs which is an ICE mandate. It seems they like mandates on the one hand and bash them when it relates to EVs. I say get rid of all mandates and subsidies.

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You'd be stunned by the frequency of Biden bashing in the online Tesla discourse.

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I doubt it...

I'm sure there are quite a few non-leftists that own or like EVs and HATE Biden.

And a good subset of leftists that hate him too.

I will never own an EV.

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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This didn't happen.

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And the anti EV people that seem to have no problem with mandates that cars be sold through dealerships

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I'll own "EV averse" but not anti-EV.

In either case, no I think the dealership laws are just collusion between the govt and car manufacturers.

As far as "outlawing" EVs. That's nuts. The invisible hand of the market will solve all, if allowed to.

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You'd be stunned by the frequency of Biden bashing in the online Tesla discourse.

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And the anti EV people that seem to have no problem with mandates that cars be sold through dealerships and now it seems there is support for the Wyoming bill that would ban EVs which is an ICE mandate. It seems they like mandates on the one hand and bash them when it relates to EVs. I say get rid of all mandates and subsidies.

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I don't like that mandate here in TX...or anywhere, for the matter.

HOWEVER, since it's been the mandate since...forever...I wouldn't want it lifted overnight. Changing the game on existing players that have billions invested in the current model would be an issue. Phasing the dealership mandate out over a number of years would be best in my opinion.

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And the anti EV people that seem to have no problem with mandates that cars be sold through dealerships

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I'll own "EV averse" but not anti-EV.

In either case, no I think the dealership laws are just collusion between the govt and car manufacturers.

As far as "outlawing" EVs. That's nuts. The invisible hand of the market will solve all, if allowed to.

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I agree with your positions. The problem in this country is neither party wants to let the invisible hand work anymore. Both sides want to put their thumb on the scale for their favored constituents and donors.

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You'd be stunned by the frequency of Biden bashing in the online Tesla discourse.

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And the anti EV people that seem to have no problem with mandates that cars be sold through dealerships and now it seems there is support for the Wyoming bill that would ban EVs which is an ICE mandate. It seems they like mandates on the one hand and bash them when it relates to EVs. I say get rid of all mandates and subsidies.

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I don't like that mandate here in TX...or anywhere, for the matter.

HOWEVER, since it's been the mandate since...forever...I wouldn't want it lifted overnight. Changing the game on existing players that have billions invested in the current model would be an issue. Phasing the dealership mandate out over a number of years would be best in my opinion.

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It is actually not a problem to get rid of it. Many states have already done it and none of the legacy automakers have gotten rid of any dealers to start selling direct (some have cut dealers but that is for other reasons like poor sales). I don't see Ford, GM, Toyota and others going direct under any circumstance for the foreseeable future because those dealers handle all of their warranty work and carry a ton of their inventory for them so they don't have to finance it and show it on their books.

Toyota fighting the good fight. This is a heavily biased story against them, but salient points poke through regardless.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/10/climate/hybrids-evs-toyota-climate-impact-int/index.html

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Toyota's decision to favor hybrids has paid off handsomely: The company is crushing its rivals, including the all-electric Tesla. Globally, it sold 11.2 million cars last year, more than any other automaker. A third were hybrids; fewer than 1% were EVs.
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If Toyota embraced EVs sooner, it would push others in the same direction, said Daniel Sperling, founding director of the Institute of Transportation Studies at the University of California.

"It would put a lot more pressure on Ford or GM to move faster," he said. "It would pressure EPA to move faster."

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LOL. If only everybody was onboard there would be no resistance to our mandates!

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Gas-powered cars, hybrids and EVs all emit roughly the same amount of pollution to manufacture, until you get to producing the battery.

Fully electric cars use large batteries made of materials that require heavy mining. That makes them 40% dirtier to produce on average than hybrid and gas-powered vehicles, one study shows.
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Some plug-in hybrids are going head-to-head with EVs on full life cycle pollution. A report from the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy showed Toyota's plug-in hybrid, the Prius Prime SE, is the least-polluting vehicle on American roads, according to its 2024 rankings, even compared to EVs. That's because of a combination of factors, including the Prime's weight and shape, which make fuel use more efficient.

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More, as they say, at the link.

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You'd be stunned by the frequency of Biden bashing in the online Tesla discourse.

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And the anti EV people that seem to have no problem with mandates that cars be sold through dealerships and now it seems there is support for the Wyoming bill that would ban EVs which is an ICE mandate. It seems they like mandates on the one hand and bash them when it relates to EVs. I say get rid of all mandates and subsidies.

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I don't like that mandate here in TX...or anywhere, for the matter.

HOWEVER, since it's been the mandate since...forever...I wouldn't want it lifted overnight. Changing the game on existing players that have billions invested in the current model would be an issue. Phasing the dealership mandate out over a number of years would be best in my opinion.

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It is actually not a problem to get rid of it. Many states have already done it and none of the legacy automakers have gotten rid of any dealers to start selling direct (some have cut dealers but that is for other reasons like poor sales). I don't see Ford, GM, Toyota and others going direct under any circumstance for the foreseeable future because those dealers handle all of their warranty work and carry a ton of their inventory for them so they don't have to finance it and show it on their books.

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If that's the case, then I'm cool with it. Even though I hate the fact that it manipulates the market, I also don't want the existing dealerships to get hammered if the government changes the rules on them.

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I doubt it...

I'm sure there are quite a few non-leftists that own or like EVs and HATE Biden.

And a good subset of leftists that hate him too.

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Hate to break it to you, but you might consider that you're getting old and out of touch. Leftists don't like or want EVs. They're all about bikes and walkable cities and deep disdain for cars of any type.

EVs are and have been an infatuation of futurists/technologists. Not leftists.

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You'd be stunned by the frequency of Biden bashing in the online Tesla discourse.

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I doubt it...

I'm sure there are quite a few non-leftists that own or like EVs and HATE Biden.

And a good subset of leftists that hate him too.

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Hate to break it to you, but you might consider that you're getting old and out of touch. Leftists don't like or want EVs. They're all about bikes and walkable cities and deep disdain for cars of any type.

EVs are and have been an infatuation of futurists/technologists. Not leftists.

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Ok...I don't doubt this.

Leftists are generally out of touch with reality on most of their positions.

BTW...I like the EV tech. It's HUGE in my industry (unmanned aircraft systems).

However...note that there are NO conservative areas pushing MANDATORY EVs and only leftists that do that, so SOME leftists like the idea of EVs...

Charged my Tesla at home to 310miles, drove to Houston from Austin and had 120miles when checked into hotel. Left after a few days with 90 miles due to sentry mode/driving for short errands. Drove to Austin, had 4 choices of superchargers. Decided on Buccees, went to bathroom and got a soft drink total of 10 min. Went back to car, waited an extra 5 minutes to charge costing $13. Drove home, with 30 miles left. Will wake up tomorrow with 260 miles range charging at home.

So I drove a total of 400 miles, costing me about $20 in electricity instead of $40 in gas. Saved $20 for an extra 5 min at Buccees or 10 min going to any other gas station

Its a no brained to save $20 for 5 minutes extra and then waking up tomorrow with full range. I will save 20 minutes/mo not needing to pour gas. So I actually will be saving time with my EV.

No range anxiety whatsoever. Range anxiety is overblown if you drive a Tesla and get used to it.

Anyone who thinks they are wasting time charging at a supercharger is missing the point that overall you save a lot more time with an EV due to avoiding regular gas station visits.

I was told Tesla's wonder software cannot be hacked. This must be fake news.

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If you own a Tesla, you might want to be extra careful logging into the WiFi networks at Tesla charging stations.
Security researchers Tommy Mysk and Talal Haj Bakry of Mysk Inc. published a YouTube video explaining how easy it can be for hackers to run off with your car using a clever social engineering trick.
Here's how it works.
Many Tesla charging stations of which there are over 50,000 in the world offer a WiFi network typically called "Tesla Guest" that Tesla owners can log into and use while they wait for their car to charge, according to Mysk's video.
Using a device called a Flipper Zero a simple $169 hacking tool the researchers created their own "Tesla Guest" WiFi network. When a victim tries to access the network, they are taken to a fake Tesla login page created by the hackers, who then steal their username, password, and two-factor authentication code directly from the duplicate site.
Although Mysk used a Flipper Zero to set up their own WiFi network, this step of the process can also be done with nearly any wireless device, like a Raspberry Pi, a laptop, or a cell phone, Mysk said in the video.
Once the hackers have stolen the credentials to the owner's Tesla account, they can use it to log into the real Tesla app, but they have to do it quickly before the 2FA code expires, Mysk explains in the video.
One of Tesla vehicles' unique features is that owners can use their phones as a digital key to unlock their car without the need for a physical key card.
Once logged in to the app with the owner's credentials, the researchers set up a new phone key while staying a few feet away from the parked car.
The hackers wouldn't even need to steal the car right then and there; they could track the Tesla's location from the app and go steal it later.

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That would be a real dilemma; park it inside the garage to avoid possibly being stolen, or accept the theft risk and stay safer by leaving it on the street at night.

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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No

It actually did.

People in North Houston drove up to get gas.

And I still had to grade things even when on maternity leave. I will admit everyone loved my kid when I brought him to get papers to grade and do school photos.

Who were you before?

You realize they used a public WiFi and not a home WiFi to do this. I would call using a social engineering attack as exactly hacking. Anyone that uses an unsecured public WiFi is placing their data at risk for ANY system such as their bank or brokerage account, social media account, etc.

Can Teslas be hacked? Yes, but so can anything that is connected to the web which is becoming most new cars sold in the US.

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-Range anxiety is not the top reason for people not buying EVs. It's price. They don't have to consider the viability of a product they cannot currently afford.

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Don't completely agree. For the market segment that can afford EVs, I would bey that range anxiety is the most common issue.

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Range anxiety shouldn't really be an issue. I have a Ford Lightning and I've not driven out of town yet but with the addition of the Tesla network of chargers, getting places shouldn't be a problem. I am calibrating to the fact that it will obviously take longer to get places. I've not even considered towing my boat to lakes within a 50 mile radius because of range. But with the Tesla's network I should be good.
I've not yet used a commercial charging facility. Looking forward to getting the adapter to charge at Buc'ees.

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With everybody adopting the Tesla charging network now, expect longer waits. When Teslas were the only ones charging there you could get in and out easily. Now everyone and their dog uses those chargers.

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Did you live in BCS during Ike?

It could take over an hour to fill up your car.

And I did it with a 10 day old infant because I had to pick up papers to grade.

I simply do not get this board's obsession with hating EVs.

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This didn't happen.

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No

It actually did.

People in North Houston drove up to get gas.

And I still had to grade things even when on maternity leave. I will admit everyone loved my kid when I brought him to get papers to grade and do school photos.

Who were you before?

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Further support for Tanya's position. Note, the lines happened in some areas of the country not even touched by Ike.

https://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/12/ike.gas.irpt/index.html

A hurricane could cause problems for evacuation roads/stations, no doubt. That's part of the reason there has been consideration about banning EV's from even being used in those situations.

If it is taking a while to fill a car up with gas, guess what, the EV situation is going to be much worse idling in traffic/looking for a fast DC charging station along the way.

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A Florida state senator told the state's Department of Transportation that he thinks EVs could run out of charge and block traffic during hurricane evacuations.

EVs in Florida hurricane evacuations

State senator Jonathan Martin, a Republican who represents Fort Myers, sits on the Committee on Environment and Natural Resources and also the new Select Committee on Resiliency.

The Select Committee on Resiliency met with the Florida Department of Transportation's (FDOT) executive director of transportation technologies, Trey Tillander, in late February. They discussed Florida's plans for the $198 million it's going to get from the Biden administration's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law for EV charging infrastructure over the next five years.

The federal EV charging infrastructure program requires EV stations to be 50 miles apart and open to all EVs. For the first round of grants, stations must be within a mile of the interstate, and rural and underserved communities must be given consideration.

Grant agreements will be in place in Florida by the end of 2023.

The News Service of Florida reported what Martin said about EVs in evacuations during the discussion:

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With a couple of guys behind you, you can't get out of the car and push it to the side of the road. Traffic backs up. And what might look like a two-hour trip might turn into an eight-hour trip once you're on the road.

My concern is there's not an infrastructure currently available in the state of Florida for the amount of EVs that might be used to evacuate, on evacuation routes, during a time of emergency.

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Yeah, more at the link, and the EV fanboi publication goes on to call him ignorant etc. Hint; he's not.

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A hurricane could cause problems for evacuation roads/stations, no doubt. That's part of the reason there has been consideration about banning EV's from even being used in those situations.

If it is taking a while to fill a car up with gas, guess what, the EV situation is going to be much worse idling in traffic/looking for a fast DC charging station along the way.

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A Florida state senator told the state's Department of Transportation that he thinks EVs could run out of charge and block traffic during hurricane evacuations.

EVs in Florida hurricane evacuations

State senator Jonathan Martin, a Republican who represents Fort Myers, sits on the Committee on Environment and Natural Resources and also the new Select Committee on Resiliency.

The Select Committee on Resiliency met with the Florida Department of Transportation's (FDOT) executive director of transportation technologies, Trey Tillander, in late February. They discussed Florida's plans for the $198 million it's going to get from the Biden administration's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law for EV charging infrastructure over the next five years.

The federal EV charging infrastructure program requires EV stations to be 50 miles apart and open to all EVs. For the first round of grants, stations must be within a mile of the interstate, and rural and underserved communities must be given consideration.

Grant agreements will be in place in Florida by the end of 2023.

The News Service of Florida reported what Martin said about EVs in evacuations during the discussion:

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With a couple of guys behind you, you can't get out of the car and push it to the side of the road. Traffic backs up. And what might look like a two-hour trip might turn into an eight-hour trip once you're on the road.

My concern is there's not an infrastructure currently available in the state of Florida for the amount of EVs that might be used to evacuate, on evacuation routes, during a time of emergency.

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Yeah, more at the link, and the EV fanboi publication goes on to call him ignorant etc. Hint; he's not.

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How much electricity to you think an EV uses while idling in traffic?

Also, assuming the 12v battery isn't dead, which it shouldn't be is someone ignores all the warnings to get to the side of the road, you can still put the car in neutral and push it although at least one EV requires someone to sit in the drivers seat or it goes back to park.
https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-happens-if-your-electric-car-runs-out-of-battery

"Idling"

Drivers are generally irresponsible though, at least half the time. If an EV is running the heater, it will be lucky to last a few hours close to an idle traffic speed. Most won't wind up setting out with a perfectly full/charged battery either. An ICE vehicle can run the engine intermittently as such and benefit from the 'thermal inefficiency' to keep consumption under .2gallons/hour easily while remaining relatively comfortable/safe.

This is a very valid concern for owners and disaster management/planning staff alike.