And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
Well, I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
Well, I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
I don't think GMC, Tesla or anyone else has different levels of function depending on the state you are in. I am not counting the "fully autonomous" experiments some companies are running in selected towns.
And yes, most of us have driven with our knees over the years or had our kid reach over and grab the steering wheel. The original autodrive system.
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
Don't paint with a broad brush. Last I heard the anti-mandate crowd does not particularly care for the govt busy bodies.
So do you view worrying about font size as government busy bodies or a serious safety risk?
I worry that Tesla owners complained like the Karens they are. That's what I see. Care to try to prove me wrong or do you want to continue making the profoundly suspect claim that ICE owners complained or the anti-mandate crowd cares one bit?
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
Well, I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
I don't think GMC, Tesla or anyone else has different levels of function depending on the state you are in. I am not counting the "fully autonomous" experiments some companies are running in selected towns.
And yes, most of us have driven with our knees over the years or had our kid reach over and grab the steering wheel. The original autodrive system.
Yes the do. Levels of autonomy like that are no different than the EVs that have them.
The levels of autonomy are defined by SAE as to what is done by the vehicle and what is done by the driver or some other entity.
Every state and even local district can or has some kind of regulation on what they'll allow in their jurisdiction.
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
Well, I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
I don't think GMC, Tesla or anyone else has different levels of function depending on the state you are in. I am not counting the "fully autonomous" experiments some companies are running in selected towns.
And yes, most of us have driven with our knees over the years or had our kid reach over and grab the steering wheel. The original autodrive system.
Yes the do. Levels of autonomy like that are no different than the EVs that have them.
The levels of autonomy are defined by SAE as to what is done by the vehicle and what is done by the driver or some other entity.
Every state and even local district can or has some kind of regulation on what they'll allow in their jurisdiction.
They might have different regulations but I know the Tesla doesn't have a geo fencing function that changes their autodrive and I haven't heard about it on the other cars but I admit I haven't looked that closely at the Supercruise and other similar systems.
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
Well, I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
This is Blue Cruise. It is a level 2 system. It is hands-free. It is engageable in basically every state in the country.
This is a video from Ford's official Youtube page describing what it authorizes
Since BlueCruise is a Level 2 system, when driving, you need to stay alert and pay attention to the road ahead. There is a driver-monitoring system in the vehicle that observes your head position and your eyes to make sure you're paying attention to the road. If it senses that you're becoming tired for example, if your eyes start to close or if you start to do any other activities while behind the wheel, such as looking down at your phone the system will send a warning. If you don't pay attention to the road soon after the warning, the system will stop operating.
Tesla is required to have both driver monitoring (on the vehicles with that capability) and the driver has to indicate attentiveness by interacting with the wheel (either speed changes or a slight turn of the wheel). This is the problem you had on the Cybertruck thread in that you assumed you understood the capabilities of the systems and the requirements from regulators rather than actually trying to understand what they are.
This is a drive of a 2023 Model S on Tesla's FSD V12. There is no driver control during the entirety of the video. The touches of the steering wheel are required by regulators to indicate driver attentiveness (i.e the touches of the steering wheel do not translate to the wheels) and the regulators also require eyes on the road as determined by the in-cabin camera. That's in contrast to GM and Ford's systems which merely require eyes on the road.
Someone or another here has boasted about using a cheat device so they don't have to play by the FSD rules Tesla sets for safety in their precious vehicle.
I worry about Tesla drivers, for many reasons, sort of akin but moreso vs. when I see a BMW driving around a parking lot near me.
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
Don't paint with a broad brush. Last I heard the anti-mandate crowd does not particularly care for the govt busy bodies.
So do you view worrying about font size as government busy bodies or a serious safety risk?
I worry that Tesla owners complained like the Karens they are. That's what I see. Care to try to prove me wrong or do you want to continue making the profoundly suspect claim that ICE owners complained or the anti-mandate crowd cares one bit?
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
Don't paint with a broad brush. Last I heard the anti-mandate crowd does not particularly care for the govt busy bodies.
So do you view worrying about font size as government busy bodies or a serious safety risk?
I worry that Tesla owners complained like the Karens they are. That's what I see. Care to try to prove me wrong or do you want to continue making the profoundly suspect claim that ICE owners complained or the anti-mandate crowd cares one bit?
I never said anything about ICE owners or the anti mandate crowd complaining especially because most of them have never been inside a Tesla to see the font size. I said government agents seem to be targeting Musk and Tesla on every little thing. Why would they? Musk is anti UAW, Musk is anti DIE, etc. it is interesting that some people on this thread that are anti EV complained about the Delaware ruling this week saying Biden and Co are targeting Musk but I guess they wouldn't target Tesla cars.
Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
Nobody on this thread said this but you.
But yes, the Tesla Karens probably complained.
Show any proof of your claim that Tesla owners complained to the regulators about any of this? Saying the anti mandate crowd seems to be ok with government overreach is a lot different than saying they complained to get the recall implemented.
It is just like all the posts about climate change is a hoax and the like but then we get non stop posts about poisoning water in China, burning coal to generate electricity, destroying the environment mining for minerals etc. They literally sound like card carrying members of Greenpeace.
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
Well, I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
This is Blue Cruise. It is a level 2 system. It is hands-free. It is engageable in basically every state in the country.
This is a video from Ford's official Youtube page describing what it authorizes
Since BlueCruise is a Level 2 system, when driving, you need to stay alert and pay attention to the road ahead. There is a driver-monitoring system in the vehicle that observes your head position and your eyes to make sure you're paying attention to the road. If it senses that you're becoming tired for example, if your eyes start to close or if you start to do any other activities while behind the wheel, such as looking down at your phone the system will send a warning. If you don't pay attention to the road soon after the warning, the system will stop operating.
Tesla is required to have both driver monitoring (on the vehicles with that capability) and the driver has to indicate attentiveness by interacting with the wheel (either speed changes or a slight turn of the wheel). This is the problem you had on the Cybertruck thread in that you assumed you understood the capabilities of the systems and the requirements from regulators rather than actually trying to understand what they are.
This is a drive of a 2023 Model S on Tesla's FSD V12. There is no driver control during the entirety of the video. The touches of the steering wheel are required by regulators to indicate driver attentiveness (i.e the touches of the steering wheel do not translate to the wheels) and the regulators also require eyes on the road as determined by the in-cabin camera. That's in contrast to GM and Ford's systems which merely require eyes on the road.
I didn't have a problem on that thread. You were incorrectly describing the autonomy levels of the vehicle. I just explained it for you.
BTW, thanks for posting lots of videos of Level 2 automation. What's the point? I'm not arguing what Level 2 can do?
And...let's get the thread back to where it was before Tres Tes hijacked it.
EVs could be good products but the government thumb has been on the scale to help them out for years.
Truth is, EVs suck and ICE are awesome.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
And yet you have the government regulator forcing a recall over font size and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like. Funny how the anti mandate crowd is ok with this kind of government action.
If they made recalls like this on ICE vehicles there would be a bunch of posts that the government is trying to force EVs on us.
I think the government making font rules is stupid af. As to the "and wanting the driver assist to be more big brother like" that has to do with enforcing the levels of autonomy that have been authorized.
The autonomy levels are still not mature enough to let the basically novice "pilots" drive the cars.
So how often do the regulations require interaction with the car? GMC is advertising with drivers totally hands off and playing we will rock you with their hands no where near the steering wheel. Is that within the regulations?
Well, I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
If you can't do that cup song from Pitch Perfect while "driving", I don't want it.
You did. And you are now trying to backpedal the claim that it necessarily had to be SAE Level 3 in order to be hands free or that it needed a special exemption from individual states to allow for that capability despite it being available in every state.
You did. And you are now trying to backpedal the claim that it necessarily had to be SAE Level 3 in order to be hands free or that it needed a special exemption from individual states to allow for that capability despite it being available in every state.
No I did not do that. Note "attentive driver"...
BTW, I'm quite sure I understand autonomy better than you do. Not because I read cool PR from companies selling it, though...
But, I get it. You LOVE EVs. That's cool. And you are a very motivated sales person on here for them, so I applaud your enthusiasm.
You did. And you are now trying to backpedal the claim that it necessarily had to be SAE Level 3 in order to be hands free or that it needed a special exemption from individual states to allow for that capability despite it being available in every state.
No I did not do that. Note "attentive driver"...
BTW, I'm quite sure I understand autonomy better than you do. Not because I read cool PR from companies selling it, though...
But, I get it. You LOVE EVs. That's cool. And you are a very motivated sales person on here for them, so I applaud your enthusiasm.
This you?
Ag with kids said:
I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
And I have not tried to convince a single person on this thread to buy an EV even once. I've just refuted claims from people that don't follow the development of autonomous cars or electric vehicles closely. It does not appear that you do considering GM and Ford have had hands free operation for years now.
You did. And you are now trying to backpedal the claim that it necessarily had to be SAE Level 3 in order to be hands free or that it needed a special exemption from individual states to allow for that capability despite it being available in every state.
No I did not do that. Note "attentive driver"...
BTW, I'm quite sure I understand autonomy better than you do. Not because I read cool PR from companies selling it, though...
But, I get it. You LOVE EVs. That's cool. And you are a very motivated sales person on here for them, so I applaud your enthusiasm.
This you?
Ag with kids said:
I've done that kind of thing since the 80s...HOWEVER, unless that vehicle is certified as SAE level 3, then probably not. Could be some states have legalized that, but most haven't.
And I have not tried to convince a single person on this thread to buy an EV even once. I've just refuted claims from people that don't follow the development of autonomous cars or electric vehicles closely. It does not appear that you do considering GM and Ford have had hands free operation for years now.
Perhaps my wording was clunky, but I didn't say what you think I said.
And I know you read their PR quite a bit. You love the pretty marketing names that every manufacturer has for their "partial driving automation" systems. Marketing always has to put a shiny bow on tech.
