Temps in the teens today. Left house for commute with 80% battery charge and returned with 40%. I am beyond regretful right now. I feel lost. The car didn't even catch on fire as promised to keep us warm.

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Sub freezing temps have hit DFW tonight and I took the Tesla to the grocery store a bit ago. Left with 80% charge and came back with 68%.

Devastating. Seriously regretting this purchase now and will probably have to change my username again.

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Our TESLA-owning CRO moved and is doing hybrid at one of satellite offices. He has a 2 hr or so commute on days he comes in. Anyway, about a month ago the temp there weather was in the teens or so. He missed a morning meeting. Later that day, he apologized for missing the meeting - he needed to charge his TESLA because it lost so much charge.

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Temps in the teens today. Left house for commute with 80% battery charge and returned with 40%. I am beyond regretful right now. I feel lost. The car didn't even catch on fire as promised to keep us warm.

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Did you have the cabin heating on?

Of course. It knows my schedule and had the cabin, seats, and steering wheel all warm and ready to go. And the roads weren't icy it also drove most of the way.

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Temps in the teens today. Left house for commute with 80% battery charge and returned with 40%. I am beyond regretful right now. I feel lost. The car didn't even catch on fire as promised to keep us warm.

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Did you have the cabin heating on?

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The heater at max uses about 2% of the battery capacity per hour of use. Similar usage for the A/C at max.

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Temps in the teens today. Left house for commute with 80% battery charge and returned with 40%. I am beyond regretful right now. I feel lost. The car didn't even catch on fire as promised to keep us warm.

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Mine was parked outside all day while I was work, and driving home I discovered the worst thing about my Tesla. some ice was forming on my windshield, so I turned on the windshield fluid, and nothing came out. It was frozen. Normally in an ICE car, the engine runs so hot that the windshield fluid will quickly melt. In the Tesla, it is in the Frunk, which is ambient temperature.

I did lose some mileage while parked, but no issue as I still had 180+ miles range after driving 50-60 miles, starting with 250 (I lost 10-15 miles range due to sub-freezing weather).

Microsoft News, which is left leaning, carried a little truth about EV's today.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ev-drivers-discover-fundamental-flaw-in-car-battery-tech-as-30f-temperatures-hit-the-us/ar-AA1n0DMI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=42da8ef017ce4b37bf86cc110f51c561&ei=63

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Microsoft News, which is left leaning, carried a little truth about EV's today.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ev-drivers-discover-fundamental-flaw-in-car-battery-tech-as-30f-temperatures-hit-the-us/ar-AA1n0DMI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=42da8ef017ce4b37bf86cc110f51c561&ei=63

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Reality strikes EV owners again in that article, multiple times.

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Jack is far from the only person to experience these issues, according to X users. Another said: "I live in a summer vacation area. Lots of residents have Lake homes here but live in one of the state's big cities. We gave snow and sub-zero temperatures and so one guy drove his EV here this morning to check out conditions here.

"But he was afraid to drive up the hill because of the snow. And he didn't know how long it would take to go 150 miles to his home. Well, it took five hours, he had to stop twice to charge, and the last charge only gave him 66%. No, thank you."

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No issue driving my Trooper this evening with -10F here in Colorado. It sat all week since I work from home, and was good to go just a bit ago. No battery conditioning or leaving it plugged in to keep it warm.

EV's....not so much. And once the battery is dead, you have to let it trickle-charge to warm up enough to super charge. Just wait until 2030 when the government mandates them all to be like this.

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https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-lined-with-dead-cars-in-freezing-cold-a-bunch-of-dead-robots-out-here

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Temps in the teens today. Left house for commute with 80% battery charge and returned with 40%. I am beyond regretful right now. I feel lost. The car didn't even catch on fire as promised to keep us warm.

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Give it up...
We know you look in the mirror every morning for a daily affirmation and chant I love my Tesla.

I don't have a mirror. My house has burned down four or five times now from my car catching fire so many times

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No issue driving my Trooper this evening with -10F here in Colorado. It sat all week since I work from home, and was good to go just a bit ago. No battery conditioning or leaving it plugged in to keep it warm.

EV's....not so much. And once the battery is dead, you have to let it trickle-charge to warm up enough to super charge. Just wait until 2030 when the government mandates them all to be like this.

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https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-lined-with-dead-cars-in-freezing-cold-a-bunch-of-dead-robots-out-here

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Wow. That article is replete with the real world experience of real Tesla owners. And it ain't pretty.

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" Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent," Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. "And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."

Beard and several other Tesla owners were trying to charge their cars amid long lines and abandoned cars at other Tesla charging stations in the Chicago area, the news station reported.

"This is crazy. It's a disaster. Seriously," said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle. Mizelle said she abandoned her car and got a ride from a friend after hers would not charge.

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EV sales up 29% in the 4th quarter, up 122% in the past two years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/14/us-ev-market-grows-29-in-4th-quarter-tesla-holds-56-market-share/

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The US electric vehicle market continues to grow despite many headlines implying the contrary. In the 4th quarter, sales of full battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) were up 29% compared to sales in the 4th quarter of 2022. Compared to the 4th quarter of 2021, sales were up 122%.

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And of course the Model Y, America's favorite car, has a lot to do with it.

There was a news clip of TESLA owners on Chicago waiting to power up……but the charging stations were not functioning due to cold weather.

They were puzzled.

I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was. If you have to rely on public chargers for daily driving because you can't charge at home, EVs are not a good option for most people.

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was.

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Amaizing how the Dems messed up and created that first energy crisis.

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was.

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Amaizing how the Dems messed up and created that first energy crisis.

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Actually, that was from a Republican admin. 1973. The Dems had theirs in 1979. I guess it is a bipartisan issue.

ICE vehicles are flawless and have no issues.

https://www.wcia.com/news/local-news/cold-weather-causes-frozen-gas-pumps/

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One man only got a few cents worth of gas the first time he tried to fill up. But he was shown an act of kindness. Del Dahl was watching WCIA's severe weather forcast. One of our warnings was to make sure your car is full of gas in case of an emergency. So he went to the gas station, but that's when he ran into an unexpected problem.

Dahl says, "I put my card in, everything was approved and I jumped back in the car because it's cold." It turns out it was too cold. All of the pumps were frozen and hardly any gas was coming out.

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https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-lined-with-dead-cars-in-freezing-cold-a-bunch-of-dead-robots-out-here

Germans. Bombs. Moons. Literally a few posts up from yours.

Yet more informative than 99% of your posts.

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was. If you have to rely on public chargers for daily driving because you can't charge at home, EVs are not a good option for most people.

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Wowzers. That's got to be the biggest example yet of whataboutism I've seen on this thread. And that's including hundreds of teslag's posts.

Can't wait for a Tesla owner to claim that not only did his car not lose any charge after a 500-mile trip with temperatures in the teens, but when he got home there was a power outage and he was able to supply power to half his town.

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Can't wait for a Tesla owner to claim that not only did his car not lose any charge after a 500-mile trip with temperatures in the teens, but when he got home there was a power outage and he was able to supply power to half his town.

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Yeah we wouldn't need any more coal plants if everyone bought a Tesla and helped power the grid at night.

And some people have absolutely no sense of humor.

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And some people have absolutely no sense of humor.

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Not me. You saw my laughing face. But I'm also familiar with your posting history on this thread.

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The reason why is The Hubs has a hard time keeping the lake house golf cart charged, all of his tools charged.

We have multiple 200 amps drops on the ranch. But keeping that many things charged even on a trickle cell does not work forever. They die.

Until battery tech makes a HUGE advancement, EVs are futile.

Now, tell me why I am wrong.

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For those on here who say that anything posted about ICE vehicles is a derail or a whataboutism, let's go to the OP and not the title. Hawg is asking for people to prove her wrong about her view of EVs. That by definition is asking for a comparison of the pros and cons of ICE, hybrids and EVs. So posting that ICE vehicles have issues is not a derail. Now if Hawg comes on here and says that she only wants negative issues posted about EVs and nothing else, that ends the conversation but the few times I have seen her post recently, it is because she has genuine curiosity and want to be educated.

Now, for her original post, I have said for her situation, EVs in their current form are probably not a good option. The one thing I would add, is her comparison to the issues she faces on the ranch about the batteries dying even on trickle is different with EVs is because they have better batteries and battery management systems.

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The one thing I would add, is her comparison to the issues she faces on the ranch about the batteries dying even on trickle is different with EVs is because they have better batteries and battery management systems.

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Fair enough.

But what is a "battery management system"?

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The one thing I would add, is her comparison to the issues she faces on the ranch about the batteries dying even on trickle is different with EVs is because they have better batteries and battery management systems.

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Fair enough.

But what is a "battery management system"?

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There are others who could give a better summary than I could but I will try.

The cars have computer programming and hardware to do the following.
"The oversight that a BMS provides usually includes:

Monitoring the battery
Providing battery protection
Estimating the battery's operational state
Continually optimizing battery performance
Reporting operational status to external devices"

In essence, they avoid damage to the batteries from having variations in the charge or overcharging. At a fast charger, as the battery gets over ~50%, it slows down the rate of charge and that rate keeps slowing as you get closer to 100%. This is why asking how long it takes to charge on a road trip is hard to answer. You can go from 10-50% in 10-20 minutes but 50-90% might take 30-40 minutes.

Also, you don't want to regularly charge batteries to 100%. Typically, you charge to 70-80% except when you need a full charge such as a long trip.

EVs also have heating/cooling systems that keep the battery at optimal temperature when charging to further protect your battery.

On your ranch, when you plug in your phone or any other battery, the battery is likely getting charged to 100% every time and it gets hot both of which take a toll on it. That is why your phone battery loses the ability to hold a charge over a few years while EV batteries on the road for a number of years have lost less than 10% of their capacity.

A detailed summary for those that want to read it.
https://www.synopsys.com/glossary/what-is-a-battery-management-system.html

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The one thing I would add, is her comparison to the issues she faces on the ranch about the batteries dying even on trickle is different with EVs is because they have better batteries and battery management systems.

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Fair enough.

But what is a "battery management system"?

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I don't own an EV but I think the simple explanation is that lithium batteries don't work if the battery is below 32F so there are ways to gradually warm the battery...but nothing works if there is no juice.

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EV sales up 29% in the 4th quarter, up 122% in the past two years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/14/us-ev-market-grows-29-in-4th-quarter-tesla-holds-56-market-share/

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The US electric vehicle market continues to grow despite many headlines implying the contrary. In the 4th quarter, sales of full battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) were up 29% compared to sales in the 4th quarter of 2022. Compared to the 4th quarter of 2021, sales were up 122%.

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The Model Y is not America's favorite car for 2023. The RAV 4 sold more. And the sales of the Model Y are 'estimated' so we really don't know the numbers. It barely beat the Honda CRV.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/

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If Automotive News' estimates can be believed, the Model Y had a huge year.

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Best selling car in America is the Toyota Camry.
Best selling SUV in America is the Toyota RAV4.
Best selling Pickup Truck in America is the Ford F150.

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was. If you have to rely on public chargers for daily driving because you can't charge at home, EVs are not a good option for most people.

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Wowzers. That's got to be the biggest example yet of whataboutism I've seen on this thread. And that's including hundreds of teslag's posts.

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That and it had absolutely nothing to do with the limitations of the car and was something created by the Feds screwing up. Two situations are not remotely comparable.

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EVs also have heating/cooling systems that keep the battery at optimal temperature when charging to further protect your battery.

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This is where I get confused. Using battery power to heat or cool batteries to enable charging?

Is that why EVs are having trouble charging in Chicago and other cities during this artic blast? No juice to warm the batteries so they can recharge?

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was. If you have to rely on public chargers for daily driving because you can't charge at home, EVs are not a good option for most people.

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Wowzers. That's got to be the biggest example yet of whataboutism I've seen on this thread. And that's including hundreds of teslag's posts.

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That and it had absolutely nothing to do with the limitations of the car and was something created by the Feds screwing up. Two situations are not remotely comparable.

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During WW2 the economy was highly managed by the Feds including oil prices - oil found and developed in Texas because of the war continued after the war to be price controlled to the advantage of the Yankee based car production industry/unions so real gasoline prices did not hit until the Arabs organized the other oil producers.
Once real market prices were available, there was more production in Texas, Alaska, offshore, shale.etc. and supply went up. EV's are part of that solution.