Unfortunately, no.

Only EV I may consider buying is a golf cart but even then, I'd most likely get a gas model. Just to piss off libs.

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Only EV I may consider buying is a golf cart but even then, I'd most likely get a gas model. Just to piss off libs.

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And that should remain your right. Just as others should be able to buy EVs and hybrids.

Fortunately, we are starting to see the push back on the mandates. See Connecticut
https://cleantechnica.com/2023/11/30/connecticut-moves-to-soften-ev-mandate/amp/

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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A few comments - either isn't a longe range Y or the whole drive was > 65 mph. I have driven mine well over 200 miles on a charge no problem.

So to fill up cost about $40? How much do you think it costs you for an equivalent distance buying gasoline in CA? Hint - a lot more. And home charging should be about 1/3 the cost of supercharging. If you only needed to add 10 or 20 miles to make it home, that should have taken 5 min charging and cost less than $5.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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A few comments - either isn't a longe range Y or the whole drive was > 65 mph. I have driven mine well over 200 miles on a charge no problem.

So to fill up cost about $40? How much do you think it costs you for an equivalent distance buying gasoline in CA? Hint - a lot more. And home charging should be about 1/3 the cost of supercharging. If you only needed to add 10 or 20 miles to make it home, that should have taken 5 min charging and cost less than $5.

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Whats well over 200 miles? 220 miles?

Have you ever driven from Sacramento to Palo Alto? If you're doing 65mph, you get run over on I-80.

So if I was to charge a Y at home, it would cost $35.. For 170 miles?? Gallon of gas is $3.79 in northern cal where I live. $35 fills up a prius for more than 400 mile range.

Gtfo with your tesla math. Ain't nobody should spend 5 minutes at a charger trying to get home 20 miles. The fact thats OK is the dumbassery of whole tesla ownership.

Those who were wrong about covid, cannot comprehend how they could possibly be wrong about ev's.

It's effectively the same scenario with different variables.

Ev owners: but data!
Normal people: the data are wrong, and you don't even have to crunch numbers to see it.

I can't understand living in a state with $.45/kwh electricity current state average gas price of $4.63 and then there are the taxes, housing costs and living with the laws of Gavin Newsom. I love my $.12/kwh all in electricity ($0.07-0.08 cost for incremental usage), $2.68 gas prices and you can get a great home for $150-175/sq ft. No wonder U-Haul is doing great business moving people from CA

Btw, at $.08/kwh, it costs less than $0.03/mi for an EV.

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I can't understand living in a state with $.45/kwh electricity current state average gas price of $4.63 and then there are the taxes, housing costs and living with the laws of Gavin Newsom. I love my $.12/kwh all in electricity ($0.07-0.08 cost for incremental usage), $2.68 gas prices and you can get a great home for $150-175/sq ft. No wonder U-Haul is doing great business moving people from CA

Btw, at $.08/kwh, it costs less than $0.03/mi for an EV.

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But my primary residence is VA and I don't pay CA income tax and my CA property tax is nominal compared to the real estate valuation in CA. Trying to cake and eat it too.. CA house has full solar and geothermal but no battery pack yet. Homeowners insurance is staring to get dicey.

If the SHTF, I can live off my land in CA... And our area can and will support a militia.

Yeah CA politics suck but at least I'm in the State of Jefferson.

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I can't understand living in a state with $.45/kwh electricity current state average gas price of $4.63 and then there are the taxes, housing costs and living with the laws of Gavin Newsom. I love my $.12/kwh all in electricity ($0.07-0.08 cost for incremental usage), $2.68 gas prices and you can get a great home for $150-175/sq ft. No wonder U-Haul is doing great business moving people from CA

Btw, at $.08/kwh, it costs less than $0.03/mi for an EV.

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But my primary residence is VA and I don't pay CA income tax and my CA property tax is nominal compared to the real estate valuation in CA. Trying to cake and eat it too.. CA house has full solar and geothermal but no battery pack yet. Homeowners insurance is staring to get dicey.

If the SHTF, I can live off my land in CA... And our area can and will support a militia.

Yeah CA politics suck but at least I'm in the State of Jefferson.

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At those prices, solar and geothermal have to great investments. Insurance is getting dicey in almost all parts of the US.

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Those who were wrong about covid, cannot comprehend how they could possibly be wrong about ev's.

It's effectively the same scenario with different variables.

Ev owners: but data!
Normal people: the data are wrong, and you don't even have to crunch numbers to see it.

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Exactly. The overlap is strong, too.

I'd point out it was also argued by the covid folks at the time it was wrong to consider somehow the Chinese role. The coincidences/correlation/causation with propaganda and poor scientific mindsets/training of said advocates etc. are multitudinous. "Oh no, this has nothing to do with China, or communists, or the left politically."

Rental car giant Hertz on Thursday said it will sell about 20,000 electric vehicles from its U.S. fleet.

"The company expects this action to better balance supply against expected demand of EVs," the company said.

The company said in October 2021 that it would acquire 100,000 Teslas in a move to help build its EV fleet.

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Rental car giant Hertz on Thursday said it will sell about 20,000 electric vehicles from its U.S. fleet.

"The company expects this action to better balance supply against expected demand of EVs," the company said.

The company said in October 2021 that it would acquire 100,000 Teslas in a move to help build its EV fleet.

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Yeah Hertz had a horrible quarter.

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Those who were wrong about covid, cannot comprehend how they could possibly be wrong about ev's.

It's effectively the same scenario with different variables.

Ev owners: but data!
Normal people: the data are wrong, and you don't even have to crunch numbers to see it.

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So eloquently put. And the fan boys cannot help but try to counter every factual point brought up in this thread. It's fascinating to watch, like a train wreck.

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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A few comments - either isn't a longe range Y or the whole drive was > 65 mph. I have driven mine well over 200 miles on a charge no problem.

So to fill up cost about $40? How much do you think it costs you for an equivalent distance buying gasoline in CA? Hint - a lot more. And home charging should be about 1/3 the cost of supercharging. If you only needed to add 10 or 20 miles to make it home, that should have taken 5 min charging and cost less than $5.

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Whats well over 200 miles? 220 miles?

Have you ever driven from Sacramento to Palo Alto? If you're doing 65mph, you get run over on I-80.

So if I was to charge a Y at home, it would cost $35.. For 170 miles?? Gallon of gas is $3.79 in northern cal where I live. $35 fills up a prius for more than 400 mile range.

Gtfo with your tesla math. Ain't nobody should spend 5 minutes at a charger trying to get home 20 miles. The fact thats OK is the dumbassery of whole tesla ownership.

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Lol. I have spent about $300 on home charging for about 8000 miles. Not sure where $35 for 170 came from. When I drove houston to Frisco a few weeks ago, I stopped at Buckees for about 15 minutes and I needed to stop anyway so it didn't add any time. Not Tesla Math, just facts from my personal experience.

I just said 5 min as an example. At supercharger speed, 5 min will add 40-50 miles.

You are entitled to your opinion, by my facts are the facts.

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Pizza said:

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Rental car giant Hertz on Thursday said it will sell about 20,000 electric vehicles from its U.S. fleet.

"The company expects this action to better balance supply against expected demand of EVs," the company said.

The company said in October 2021 that it would acquire 100,000 Teslas in a move to help build its EV fleet.

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Yeah Hertz had a horrible quarter.

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The point...








Your head.

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Pizza said:

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Rental car giant Hertz on Thursday said it will sell about 20,000 electric vehicles from its U.S. fleet.

"The company expects this action to better balance supply against expected demand of EVs," the company said.

The company said in October 2021 that it would acquire 100,000 Teslas in a move to help build its EV fleet.

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Yeah Hertz had a horrible quarter.

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The point...








Your head.

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LOL. I don't think so. I know exactly the point, at least the important one.

They were going to go all green and found out nobody wants to rent electric cars. Go woke, go broke works with EVs too.

I had a terrible experience with Hertz a couple of months back.

I won't be using them again.

They are woke in more ways than just EV idiocy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hertz-begins-dumping-20000-evs-shift-back-petrol-cars

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JamesE4 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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A few comments - either isn't a longe range Y or the whole drive was > 65 mph. I have driven mine well over 200 miles on a charge no problem.

So to fill up cost about $40? How much do you think it costs you for an equivalent distance buying gasoline in CA? Hint - a lot more. And home charging should be about 1/3 the cost of supercharging. If you only needed to add 10 or 20 miles to make it home, that should have taken 5 min charging and cost less than $5.

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Whats well over 200 miles? 220 miles?

Have you ever driven from Sacramento to Palo Alto? If you're doing 65mph, you get run over on I-80.

So if I was to charge a Y at home, it would cost $35.. For 170 miles?? Gallon of gas is $3.79 in northern cal where I live. $35 fills up a prius for more than 400 mile range.

Gtfo with your tesla math. Ain't nobody should spend 5 minutes at a charger trying to get home 20 miles. The fact thats OK is the dumbassery of whole tesla ownership.

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Lol. I have spent about $300 on home charging for about 8000 miles. Not sure where $35 for 170 came from. When I drove houston to Frisco a few weeks ago, I stopped at Buckees for about 15 minutes and I needed to stop anyway so it didn't add any time. Not Tesla Math, just facts from my personal experience.

I just said 5 min as an example. At supercharger speed, 5 min will add 40-50 miles.

You are entitled to your opinion, by my facts are the facts.

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Your facts don't apply to me nor California. And the fact you can't figure out $35 for 170 miles is the prime example of Tesla dumbassery. And the fact is you can't make the 270 mile one way trip to Frisco in your tesla without charging. And of course you'd justify the 15 minute stop. That's 10 minutes too long for me. Because my time is more valuable.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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JamesE4 said:

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TAggieDruggist89 said:

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JamesE4 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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A few comments - either isn't a longe range Y or the whole drive was > 65 mph. I have driven mine well over 200 miles on a charge no problem.

So to fill up cost about $40? How much do you think it costs you for an equivalent distance buying gasoline in CA? Hint - a lot more. And home charging should be about 1/3 the cost of supercharging. If you only needed to add 10 or 20 miles to make it home, that should have taken 5 min charging and cost less than $5.

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Whats well over 200 miles? 220 miles?

Have you ever driven from Sacramento to Palo Alto? If you're doing 65mph, you get run over on I-80.

So if I was to charge a Y at home, it would cost $35.. For 170 miles?? Gallon of gas is $3.79 in northern cal where I live. $35 fills up a prius for more than 400 mile range.

Gtfo with your tesla math. Ain't nobody should spend 5 minutes at a charger trying to get home 20 miles. The fact thats OK is the dumbassery of whole tesla ownership.

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Lol. I have spent about $300 on home charging for about 8000 miles. Not sure where $35 for 170 came from. When I drove houston to Frisco a few weeks ago, I stopped at Buckees for about 15 minutes and I needed to stop anyway so it didn't add any time. Not Tesla Math, just facts from my personal experience.

I just said 5 min as an example. At supercharger speed, 5 min will add 40-50 miles.

You are entitled to your opinion, by my facts are the facts.

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Your facts don't apply to me nor California. And the fact you can't figure out $35 for 170 miles is the prime example of Tesla dumbassery.

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I am surprised you used a Prius for your example on the cost of gas. Those drivers are the ones that most strike me as virtue signals because no one is buying them for performance or looks.

Your economics and situation are why it needs to be a choice. There is no one size fits all for vehicles.

The BEV car con explained:

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The U.S. car fleet accounts for a mere 1.0% of global energy demand (5% x 19%), declining to 0.8% by 2050. So even if the U.S. shifts 100% to electric-powered cars, the maximum climate impact in 2050 is a meaningless 0.2% (22% x 0.8%) reduction in global Co2 emissions from the current electric grid, up to a maximum of 0.5% assuming solar, wind, and hydro can, implausibly, power 60% of electric demand.

In other words, there is no factual basis to claim that the government mandate to switch to electric cars will have any material impact on global Co2 emissions.

This is not a debatable point it is easily verified, it is correct under any view of climate science, and it remains true even if solar and wind magically grow sixfold over the next 25 years, which is highly unlikely given the need to build a new transmission network, estimated at more than 200,000 miles of wires crisscrossing the country, and devise totally unknown, unproven, and likely impossible to achieve large-scale, economic battery storage.

[I have no beef with EVs per se. If people want to buy them, and feel as though an EV suits their needs better than an internal-combustion vehicle, the market will adapt to meet that demand. My problem is that governments are warping markets, first with subsidies and now with regulatory force, to shove Americans into EVs when they clearly don't suit most personal-vehicle needs, especially outside of urban areas.

Besides, hybrids make a lot more sense than EVs even in densely populated areas. EVs aren't going to solve the purported 'crisis' that government uses to justify their market distortions anyway. Ed]

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BEV's make no sense, politically, humanitarian, or environmentally.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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JamesE4 said:

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JamesE4 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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A few comments - either isn't a longe range Y or the whole drive was > 65 mph. I have driven mine well over 200 miles on a charge no problem.

So to fill up cost about $40? How much do you think it costs you for an equivalent distance buying gasoline in CA? Hint - a lot more. And home charging should be about 1/3 the cost of supercharging. If you only needed to add 10 or 20 miles to make it home, that should have taken 5 min charging and cost less than $5.

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Whats well over 200 miles? 220 miles?

Have you ever driven from Sacramento to Palo Alto? If you're doing 65mph, you get run over on I-80.

So if I was to charge a Y at home, it would cost $35.. For 170 miles?? Gallon of gas is $3.79 in northern cal where I live. $35 fills up a prius for more than 400 mile range.

Gtfo with your tesla math. Ain't nobody should spend 5 minutes at a charger trying to get home 20 miles. The fact thats OK is the dumbassery of whole tesla ownership.

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Lol. I have spent about $300 on home charging for about 8000 miles. Not sure where $35 for 170 came from. When I drove houston to Frisco a few weeks ago, I stopped at Buckees for about 15 minutes and I needed to stop anyway so it didn't add any time. Not Tesla Math, just facts from my personal experience.

I just said 5 min as an example. At supercharger speed, 5 min will add 40-50 miles.

You are entitled to your opinion, by my facts are the facts.

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Your facts don't apply to me nor California. And the fact you can't figure out $35 for 170 miles is the prime example of Tesla dumbassery.

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I am surprised you used a Prius for your example on the cost of gas. Those drivers are the ones that most strike me as virtue signals because no one is buying them for performance or looks.

Your economics and situation are why it needs to be a choice. There is no one size fits all for vehicles.

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We have 2 priuii in the family. Both my kids. Daughter is in Europe for a semester so I've been driving her prius here in VA and when I'm home in CA, I'm driving sons Prius. I love them. No virtue signaling at all. I like them for a selfish reason and because it gets 45-55 mpg.

Have you seen 2024 prius? I'd buy them for looks

The one technology I will never buy again is a hybrid. I had one and it was the worst of both worlds. More expensive to buy, not much better mileage, and more expensive to maintain because you have two power trains to worry about. The only place it was better than my ICE vehicles was in the mountains where the regenerative breaking helps going downhill but you lose that once the battery is full.

techno-ag said:

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Pizza said:

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Those who were wrong about covid, cannot comprehend how they could possibly be wrong about ev's.

It's effectively the same scenario with different variables.

Ev owners: but data!
Normal people: the data are wrong, and you don't even have to crunch numbers to see it.

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So eloquently put. And the fan boys cannot help but try to counter every factual point brought up in this thread. It's fascinating to watch, like a train wreck.

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Or a plane crash

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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JamesE4 said:

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JamesE4 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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A few comments - either isn't a longe range Y or the whole drive was > 65 mph. I have driven mine well over 200 miles on a charge no problem.

So to fill up cost about $40? How much do you think it costs you for an equivalent distance buying gasoline in CA? Hint - a lot more. And home charging should be about 1/3 the cost of supercharging. If you only needed to add 10 or 20 miles to make it home, that should have taken 5 min charging and cost less than $5.

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Whats well over 200 miles? 220 miles?

Have you ever driven from Sacramento to Palo Alto? If you're doing 65mph, you get run over on I-80.

So if I was to charge a Y at home, it would cost $35.. For 170 miles?? Gallon of gas is $3.79 in northern cal where I live. $35 fills up a prius for more than 400 mile range.

Gtfo with your tesla math. Ain't nobody should spend 5 minutes at a charger trying to get home 20 miles. The fact thats OK is the dumbassery of whole tesla ownership.

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Lol. I have spent about $300 on home charging for about 8000 miles. Not sure where $35 for 170 came from. When I drove houston to Frisco a few weeks ago, I stopped at Buckees for about 15 minutes and I needed to stop anyway so it didn't add any time. Not Tesla Math, just facts from my personal experience.

I just said 5 min as an example. At supercharger speed, 5 min will add 40-50 miles.

You are entitled to your opinion, by my facts are the facts.

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Your facts don't apply to me nor California. And the fact you can't figure out $35 for 170 miles is the prime example of Tesla dumbassery.

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I am surprised you used a Prius for your example on the cost of gas. Those drivers are the ones that most strike me as virtue signals because no one is buying them for performance or looks.

Your economics and situation are why it needs to be a choice. There is no one size fits all for vehicles.

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We have 2 priuii in the family. Both my kids. Daughter is in Europe for a semester so I've been driving her prius here in VA and when I'm home in CA, I'm driving sons Prius. I love them. No virtue signaling at all. I like them for a selfish reason and because it gets 45-55 mpg.

Have you seen 2024 prius? I'd buy them for looks

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Yes and still not for me but that gets back to people need to be free to choose. I would say the facts for most EV buyers are similar. They love them and the lower cost of operation although I think a lot buy them these days because of the acceleration, less maintenance, and ease of charging at home. Most EVs blow my Corvette off the line.

I don't disagree. I'm not saying don't buy an EV. My OP I believe said it's not for me because pg&e rate, range, and time to charge. Instead of agreeing with it, a dumbass insisted he gets way more than 200 miles on full charge. Well I don't give a ****. Every time I'm in my Buddy's Y, it gets way below 200 miles per charge and we are sitting at a tesla charging station with other tesla dumbasses.



And here's what I said. It's not for me. But somehow tesla owners always take offense to my poor experience

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

Last weekend, we took my Buddy's fully charged Model Y for a 190mile round trip golf in CA bay area. We made it 170 miles down to 2% charge. We had to inconveniently exit the HWY to charge.

For me, my time is valuable and I would never sit at a tesla charging station staring at other tesla drivers. And in CA where I live, PG&E rate is over 45 cents per kwh... And it takes how much to fully charge a Y? 80kw?? Ain't cheap.

Not worth it for my life style.

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I am shocked this thread is going so long. Its a car, get whatever you want. If you love it, get one. If you hate it don't.

Its so simple.

All of these gotcha experiences from Tesla haters are not the norm.

I have close to 100K miles driven and the benefits greatly outweigh the negatives. Is it perfect, absolutely not but for my family it is more perfect than an ICE car.

I drove from Austin to Houston last weekend. Total trip including local driving was 310 miles total. Charged my tesla 100% and range said 310m miles. I know it would not go 310 miles. I got right at 260 miles with 90% Hwy driving. If I did all in city driving, it probably would have gotten 290miles.

On way home, dropped by Buccees. Plugged in, and in 7 minutes added 80 miles or $6.90. Not exactly cheap but I spend about $10 on supercharging a year. I had to turn the charging off early bc the bathroom break/food took 15 minutes and didn't want to pay the unnecessary 7 bucks for another 80 miles.

All in all, my 310 miles trip cost me about $16 which is a bargain b/c a fill up in my old BMW x5 would be about $50.

Since being home, I have driven another 400 miles this week and cost me about $10 home charging saving $40 bucks.

I like to save money, time, and have a much better driving experience than my old x5. This is all that matters to me. Avoiding 50 gas station stops a year and spending about 10 minutes a year at a supercharger is a no brainer for me.

I get that some like to pour gas 50 times a year and spend an extra $2k/yr in gas for the convenience of never worrying about range. If that floats your boat, keep getting an ICE and more power to you.

Out of curiosity, how fast do you guys drive in your buddies Tesla? Driving at higher speeds (80+) will definitely suck the battery down hard. Like I said in an earlier post, for your situation they don't work.

My personal view is for most people, they will only work for the daily driver around town based on current technology because many Americans are too impatient to wait to charge on long distance trips. For that usage, they are very convenient especially in a town with stop and go traffic assuming you can charge at home and you have normal electricity rates in the US.

Your buddy's Tesla Y must not be long range, drive in freezing temps or have major battery degradation.

I can easily get 250+ miles on a full single charge even if it is all highway. If I am doing all city roads, I can easily get 300 miles on a full charge.

Speed limit is mostly 70mph and we are going to go above 80mph. And we drive long distance to golf. Often.

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Speed limit is mostly 70mph and we are going to go above 80mph. And we drive long distance to golf. Often.

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Thanks. That was my guess on your speed and I had assumed golf was likely involved as well.

I have no idea. He bought it last April, so less than a year old. I'd rather travel in our minivan. The storage area is tight too. He also has a Toyota Mirai hydrogen fuel cell car. Trying to get hydrogen filled is another debacle he deals with. He regrets it.

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Speed limit is mostly 70mph and we are going to go above 80mph. And we drive long distance to golf. Often.

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Thanks. That was my guess on your speed and I had assumed golf was likely involved as well.

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C'mon man... That is what we do. We drive fast and travel all over the place to golf.

We played the Stanford U golf course. And when we got to this hole, we had my Buddy's daughter text Rose Zhang to see how she plays it. I took it to the left of the trees but Rose said she takes it to the right of the trees (10 yards wide room) that leaves her with 220 yards to the green. I had 200 to the green!!

When he finds hydrogen, what does it cost him and how far can he drive on a fill?

Your golf exploits are legendary. That has always struck me as one of the most gimmicky holes in golf. I haven't played it but I have friends who have and they say it should be blown up.

Given many of the best golf courses are off the beaten track, EVs really don't work for that. Try taking an EV to Sand Hills in Nebraska.