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It's worth pointing out that the invoice confirms that the owner specifically requested that his car be fitted with a new battery, rather than a remanufactured unit, and that by going the refurbished route via an independent EV specialist he could have save a bundle of money.

And as anyone who's paid for a whole engine replacement on an ICE vehicle which isn't unheard of on a 163,000-mile (262,000 km) car knows, engines on high-end cars can be shockingly expensive. Just check out this post on Bimmerpost from a few years back where a BMW driver's M5 needed over $56k worth of new engine, which fortunately for him was covered by his insurance company.

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Only a LOLghey is gonna put an OEM -spec engine back in a Bimmer, on their dime.

Stroked LS swap, and two hairdryers and **** tons of other goodies for that $56K bill.

Yeah I have no idea the relevance of an M5 engine replacement bill to a regular sedan cost for a BEV. Whatever, as has been demonstrated thoroughly in this thread there is a high intersection of BMW-Tesla drivers and it's funny they seem to relate to me as folks who don't really appreciate quality vehicles or engineering. Not many M5's are likely to survive to 160K in any case.

The M5 engine was likely the V10 which is a detuned formula 1 engine and it's notoriously expensive to maintain and repair even for a BMW. That was a low production model and not their bread and butter like the model S is to Tesla. Yes, engine replacements are expensive, even for regular cars.

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Yeah I have no idea the relevance of an M5 engine replacement bill to a regular sedan cost for a BEV. Whatever, as has been demonstrated thoroughly in this thread there is a high intersection of BMW-Tesla drivers and it's funny they seem to relate to me as folks who don't really appreciate quality vehicles or engineering. Not many M5's are likely to survive to 160K in any case.

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But you did see that in the article and purposely left it out because it didn't fit your narrative.

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That was a low production model and not their bread and butter like the model S is to Tesla

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The Model S is not the bread and butter vehicle for Tesla. It's the Y, which is the best selling car in the world.

Of course we are exporting dangerous wrecked EV's to Ukraine. Typical.

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It's a common story for EV owners in the U.S. and Canada. You're driving your shiny new electric car around, and then you get into a relatively minor accident. Your insurer deems it a total loss. It's an unfortunate reminder of how expensive it can be to make minor repairs to a Tesla if you live in
North America. However, in other parts of the world, such as Ukraine, the script is flipped.

Teslas listed on Copart and other auction sites are being exported to countries with a growing appetite for
EVs and a willingness to work on them, such as the besieged country that is battling Russia. There, mechanics are willing to tackle vehicles whose batteries are deemed too dangerous for repair in the U.S. and Canada.

Despite the fact that few automakers sell new EVs in Ukraine, roughly nine percent of newly registered vehicles are electric, reports Wired. That's twice as many as in the neighboring Czech Republic and Poland, where the practice of refurbishing used EVs is less common.

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Giving them a 'helping hand' as it were. More, as usual, at the link for anyone who feels like reading the full article at carscoops.

He bought a car with 163,000 miles on it and wasn't expecting problems?
What a loser.

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Of course we are exporting dangerous wrecked EV's to Ukraine. Typical.

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It's a common story for EV owners in the U.S. and Canada. You're driving your shiny new electric car around, and then you get into a relatively minor accident. Your insurer deems it a total loss. It's an unfortunate reminder of how expensive it can be to make minor repairs to a Tesla if you live in
North America. However, in other parts of the world, such as Ukraine, the script is flipped.

Teslas listed on Copart and other auction sites are being exported to countries with a growing appetite for
EVs and a willingness to work on them, such as the besieged country that is battling Russia. There, mechanics are willing to tackle vehicles whose batteries are deemed too dangerous for repair in the U.S. and Canada.

Despite the fact that few automakers sell new EVs in Ukraine, roughly nine percent of newly registered vehicles are electric, reports Wired. That's twice as many as in the neighboring Czech Republic and Poland, where the practice of refurbishing used EVs is less common.

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Giving them a 'helping hand' as it were. More, as usual, at the link for anyone who feels like reading the full article at carscoops.

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The Ukrainians seem pleased with the situation per your article.

"There is a joke here that all poor people are driving electric cars, and all the rich people are driving petrol cars," Malakhovsky said. "Tesla is a common-people, popular car because it's very cheap in maintenance." (But we have been told by Nortex they are expensive to maintain so clearly Ukrainians are misinformed)

"Already, this signifies that the source of damaged EVs from Western Europe is beginning to dry up for Ukrainian repairers. And that's a shame, because this system is kind of working. Older EVs are finding their way to countries that have a demand for them. Hopefully that will continue to be the case as the industry matures."

Keep posting these pro EV articles. It shows where your heart really is.

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Yeah I have no idea the relevance of an M5 engine replacement bill to a regular sedan cost for a BEV. Whatever, as has been demonstrated thoroughly in this thread there is a high intersection of BMW-Tesla drivers and it's funny they seem to relate to me as folks who don't really appreciate quality vehicles or engineering. Not many M5's are likely to survive to 160K in any case.

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But you did see that in the article and purposely left it out because it didn't fit your narrative.

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He does that a lot.

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BEV driver stuck with 19K battery bill tells others to stash the money saved on gas.

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Most of us have probably experienced the frustration of a dishwasher, washing machine or TV packing up the moment the manufacturer warranty is out of the picture. Sometimes it can feel like all those problems are checking their watches and waiting for the go-ahead to go wrong.

But while having to unexpectedly fork out $500 for new white goods is a pain, it's nothing compared with having to pay for a new EV battery when your car is out of warranty. One Reddit user posted the invoice presented to him by his local Tesla service center to fix his Model S's loss of driving range from 270 to 215 miles (435-346 km), revealing that the cost of the fix came to a scary $19,346.06.

"Beware!!" the Model S owner warned other members of the r/RealTesla subreddit. "You may save in fuel or oil changes but make sure you save the money for a battery 4 months out of warranty and I need a new battery 163,000 miles 2015 Model S."

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Of course we are exporting dangerous wrecked EV's to Ukraine. Typical.

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It's a common story for EV owners in the U.S. and Canada. You're driving your shiny new electric car around, and then you get into a relatively minor accident. Your insurer deems it a total loss. It's an unfortunate reminder of how expensive it can be to make minor repairs to a Tesla if you live in
North America. However, in other parts of the world, such as Ukraine, the script is flipped.

Teslas listed on Copart and other auction sites are being exported to countries with a growing appetite for
EVs and a willingness to work on them, such as the besieged country that is battling Russia. There, mechanics are willing to tackle vehicles whose batteries are deemed too dangerous for repair in the U.S. and Canada.

Despite the fact that few automakers sell new EVs in Ukraine, roughly nine percent of newly registered vehicles are electric, reports Wired. That's twice as many as in the neighboring Czech Republic and Poland, where the practice of refurbishing used EVs is less common.

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Giving them a 'helping hand' as it were. More, as usual, at the link for anyone who feels like reading the full article at carscoops.

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The Ukrainians seem pleased with the situation per your article.

"There is a joke here that all poor people are driving electric cars, and all the rich people are driving petrol cars," Malakhovsky said. "Tesla is a common-people, popular car because it's very cheap in maintenance." (But we have been told by Nortex they are expensive to maintain so clearly Ukrainians are misinformed)

"Already, this signifies that the source of damaged EVs from Western Europe is beginning to dry up for Ukrainian repairers. And that's a shame, because this system is kind of working. Older EVs are finding their way to countries that have a demand for them. Hopefully that will continue to be the case as the industry matures."

Keep posting these pro EV articles. It shows where your heart really is.

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Ukraine is a totalitarian state with control over the media, first, and utterly corrupt second. So, we have to take their expressed support for regime/situation with a grain of salt. Third, it probably 'works for them' because they don't care about the safety of the population/traveling public, and of course have lax environmental standards around the disposal/recycling of the damaged batteries.

I certainly wouldn't want to have a BEV in a garage with sporadic drone/mortar/small arms fire possibly striking nearby, let alone one with a damaged battery the insurer had written off as unfeasible to safely/economically repair.

Or, are you ready to admit that EV's are not a luxury/status symbol and are a peasant-class mode of transportation/dependency, now?

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Of course we are exporting dangerous wrecked EV's to Ukraine. Typical.

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It's a common story for EV owners in the U.S. and Canada. You're driving your shiny new electric car around, and then you get into a relatively minor accident. Your insurer deems it a total loss. It's an unfortunate reminder of how expensive it can be to make minor repairs to a Tesla if you live in
North America. However, in other parts of the world, such as Ukraine, the script is flipped.

Teslas listed on Copart and other auction sites are being exported to countries with a growing appetite for
EVs and a willingness to work on them, such as the besieged country that is battling Russia. There, mechanics are willing to tackle vehicles whose batteries are deemed too dangerous for repair in the U.S. and Canada.

Despite the fact that few automakers sell new EVs in Ukraine, roughly nine percent of newly registered vehicles are electric, reports Wired. That's twice as many as in the neighboring Czech Republic and Poland, where the practice of refurbishing used EVs is less common.

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Giving them a 'helping hand' as it were. More, as usual, at the link for anyone who feels like reading the full article at carscoops.

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The Ukrainians seem pleased with the situation per your article.

"There is a joke here that all poor people are driving electric cars, and all the rich people are driving petrol cars," Malakhovsky said. "Tesla is a common-people, popular car because it's very cheap in maintenance." (But we have been told by Nortex they are expensive to maintain so clearly Ukrainians are misinformed)

"Already, this signifies that the source of damaged EVs from Western Europe is beginning to dry up for Ukrainian repairers. And that's a shame, because this system is kind of working. Older EVs are finding their way to countries that have a demand for them. Hopefully that will continue to be the case as the industry matures."

Keep posting these pro EV articles. It shows where your heart really is.

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Ukraine is a totalitarian state with control over the media, first, and utterly corrupt second. So, we have to take their expressed support for regime/situation with a grain of salt. Third, it probably 'works for them' because they don't care about the safety of the population/traveling public, and of course have lax environmental standards around the disposal/recycling of the damaged batteries.

I certainly wouldn't want to have a BEV in a garage with sporadic drone/mortar/small arms fire possibly striking nearby, let alone one with a damaged battery the insurer had written off as unfeasible to safely/economically repair.

Or, are you ready to admit that EV's are not a luxury/status symbol and are a peasant-class mode of transportation/dependency, now?

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Maybe you will eventually learn that Americans are entitled and people in emerging countries have different priorities and value things differently because they have to. They tend to be grateful for the smallest things while we take things for granted.

All I have said is luxury is defined by the individual. One person's luxury is another person common item. The article says it is loved by the people because it is cheap to maintain. Are you saying that the Ukrainians don't know what they are talking about or is it you that is misinformed.

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But anyway, in reality, our subsidized EV's are being bought/leased by wealthy Asians/whites predominantly (or at least disproportionately), from what I have read.

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One use of the taxpayer's money on EV subsidies and policies is to favor a status/luxury item for white people

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Two weeks ago EV's were a status symbol for the wealthy but now they're what peasants drive? Life comes at you fast.

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Ukraine is an enemy of Russia, so that's probably why it upsets him.

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But anyway, in reality, our subsidized EV's are being bought/leased by wealthy Asians/whites predominantly (or at least disproportionately), from what I have read.

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Two weeks ago EV's were a status symbol for the wealthy but now they're what peasants drive? Life comes at you fast.

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This is really very simple; their purchase is subsidized here, in various ways, and appeal as status symbols for leftists/Biden voters in particular who have no appreciation of the CCP control over the materials/supply chain required for their battery's construction (and replacements).

When nicked/scratched in an accident, they are not in need of subsidies for purchase in Ukraine by people desperate for affordable transportation. What price do you think a totaled Tesla gets from a dealer in Ukraine? I bet there is a good chance somehow American tax dollars are used to 'refurbish' the vehicles for Ukrainians after it was totaled here, to boot. Big guy's gotta get his cut of everything, ever all.

LOL. The intersection of Biden Ukraine Putin war cheerleaders, BEV fan boys, BMW fans, and branch Covidians is high on this one today.

Thank you, comrades.

Well the mental gymnastics there certainly didn't disappoint

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Ya that was like watching Jordan in his heyday

Too bad for Nortex that there are developments for batteries using sodium in place of lithium for lower and midlevel cars, lead instead of cobalt for the electrodes and no rare earth metals for the motors. He will have to come up with other things to rant about as EVs will rely less on China than ICE vehicles. I am sure he will switch to an EV at that point so he isn't accused of being a communist supporter.

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Too bad for Nortex that there are developments for batteries using sodium in place of lithium for lower and midlevel cars, lead instead of cobalt for the electrodes and no rare earth metals for the motors. He will have to come up with other things to rant about as EVs will rely less on China than ICE vehicles. I am sure he will switch to an EV at that point so he isn't accused of being a communist supporter.

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Yeah, any moment now this chart is going to be stood on its head.



This also ignores the intricate CCP cooling systems for the batteries, which I guess won't be needed when unicorn powered EV's are being sold near and far.

I will never buy a BEV. I don't consider vehicles for purchase I plan to drive less than 10 years, and also hate communists.

Cannot wait until 3rd world countries continue to embrace the EV revolution.

The upgrade in their electrical infrastructure should be very straight-forward.

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Too bad for Nortex that there are developments for batteries using sodium in place of lithium for lower and midlevel cars, lead instead of cobalt for the electrodes and no rare earth metals for the motors. He will have to come up with other things to rant about as EVs will rely less on China than ICE vehicles. I am sure he will switch to an EV at that point so he isn't accused of being a communist supporter.

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Yeah, any moment now this chart is going to be stood on its head.



This also ignores the intricate CCP cooling systems for the batteries, which I guess won't be needed when unicorn powered EV's are being sold near and far.

I will never buy a BEV. I don't consider vehicles for purchase I plan to drive less than 10 years, and also hate communists.

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What part of the cooling system comes from China? Nothing in that article would indicate that. The coolant most likely comes from the USGC and yes it requires oil based products.

The battery thermal management systems in BEV's require a LOT of tubing, connectors, sensors, electronic components, fans, motors, etc. It's not simply the glycol etc. part.

Silver, copper, platinum, etc. are all needed just to keep it from getting too cool/hot at all times, in addition to the huge 'last mile' investment we'd need to make in electrical distribution to make these things quasi-practical at scale.

Lots of reaching here to attack the most American made vehicle in the world.

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That was a low production model and not their bread and butter like the model S is to Tesla

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The Model S is not the bread and butter vehicle for Tesla. It's the Y, which is the best selling car in the world.

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The model S is their oldest and their flagship. The Y and 3 may be the volume production, but the S is much more important to Tesla than the short run and aged V10 M5 ever was to BMW. That M5 was badass and had a highly desirable driving experience, but was insanely expensive to run.

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The battery thermal management systems in BEV's require a LOT of tubing, connectors, sensors, electronic components, fans, motors, etc. It's not simply the glycol etc. part.

Silver, copper, platinum, etc. are all needed just to keep it from getting too cool/hot at all times, in addition to the huge 'last mile' investment we'd need to make in electrical distribution to make these things quasi-practical at scale.

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I am glad ICE vehicles don't require a cooling system, fans, tubes , motors, sensors, etc. . I am not sure where you are getting platinum from but if there is some, I guarantee it is less than is found in a cat converter.

As for the grid, it needs serious upgrades no matter what happens with vehicles.. Do you oppose new housing and industrial development projects as well since they add substantial load to the grid as well?

As usual I am the only one providing facts/data and logical arguments here. If you guys/girls decide to provide anything substantive I'll check back later. Inconvenient truths, from our own communist news agency.

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And selectively omitting key parts of articles. Carry on.

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Lots of reaching here to attack the most American made vehicle in the world.

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To many in this country, Big Oil, even that which comes from the Muslims in the ME, will always beat even the most "'Mercan" of vehicles that don't put money directly into their (Big Oils) coffers.

How's that for patriotism.

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As usual I am the only one providing facts/data and logical arguments here. If you guys/girls decide to provide anything substantive I'll check back later. Inconvenient truths, from our own communist news agency.

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So you want facts, how about current EVs don't use platinum like your "facts" claim.

"We could lose literally all of the quantities mentioned in world consumption - 40 percent of platinum, 75 percent of palladium and rhodium. It will shake the industry more than the collapse of silver photography. Time frame? Some say as early as 2023, others say 2040."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-platinum-demand-automotive-idUSKBN19X21V/

Go on making stuff up and saying you are the one presenting facts. Also, how many houses have burned down from EV fires since you always raise that one? I showed over 300 people per year die in house fires per year caused by traditional vehicles.

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Ya that was like watching Jordan in his heyday

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Jordan wasn't a gymnast!

I drive a truck, probably getting a diesel truck in the next year. I'm no where close to getting an EV. However, the argument about the need to replace the batteries in 7 or 8 years is weak. You'll spend 8-10k on average on maintenance of your ICE car in the same time frame.

There just aren't that many moving parts in an EV. Modern cars are already very reliable but the EV's will take it to a new level it seems.

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Ya that was like watching Jordan in his heyday

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Jordan wasn't a gymnast!

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Well I was going to say he was Simone Biles but he never quits.

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I drive a truck, probably getting a diesel truck in the next year. I'm no where close to getting an EV. However, the argument about the need to replace the batteries in 7 or 8 years is weak. You'll spend 8-10k on average on maintenance of your ICE car in the same time frame.

There just aren't that many moving parts in an EV. Modern cars are already very reliable but the EV's will take it to a new level it seems.

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You do know most of the country lives paycheck to paycheck and 8-10k at once would crush them, right?

Also there's no way avg maintenance is that. It's only if you include gas. I've spent ~$600 on my bought new f150 in 2017.

Also it's not like tired arent a cost on evs too.

Good thing replacing an EV at 150k is rare