I will never buy an electric powered vehicle.

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nortex97 said:

Teslag said:

So basically anyone that buys or owns a consumer electronic, appliance, power tool, or basically anything at all is a leftist?
No, although I won't deign to 'explain' it to you again, the scale matters.

Every thinking/attentive American with an EV though, is a CCP supporter.

Teslas are the most american made vehicle on the road today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2023/06/21/all-four-tesla-models-are-ranked-as-the-most-american-vehicles-for-2023/?sh=973a85978b74
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Yeah, no need for a posh filling station since you are only going to be there for five minutes.
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torrid said:

Yeah, no need for a posh filling station since you are only going to be there for five minutes.
Infrastructure still sucks, even in Kalifornia.

https://www.businessinsider.com/rivian-driver-ev-fast-charging-stations-out-of-order-la-2023-11?amp
Trump will fix it.
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Problems at over 40 percent of the charging stations in LA.
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Totaled Teslas often end up in Ukraine.

https://www.wired.com/story/why-teslas-totaled-in-the-us-are-mysteriously-reincarnated-in-ukraine/

One unfortunate soul spent $55k on a wrecked Tesla, then its battery died. Fortunately he was able to procure another (probably damaged) one for $4,000.
Trump will fix it.
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The problems with fixing/repairing EV's.

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In June this year, a Hyundai Kona rolled into a repair shop in Cheltenham, England. Humming gently, as electric vehicles do, it seemed to be running just fine. But the insurance company wasn't ready to sign it off. The car had been in a minor collision, which had caused damage to its battery casing. Another repair shop, about an hour's drive away, had been asked to replace the casing, but they didn't know how.

And so, the car ended up here in Cheltenham, in front of Matt Cleevely, owner of Cleevely Motors. When he and his colleagues opened up the vehicle, they were stunned. Sure, the metal casing had a few light scratchesminor marks made by one of the car's rear suspension arms, which had got jolted during the incidentbut nothing more.

"They'd suffered very minor physical damage that neither compromised the integrity of the battery casing, nor was dangerous in any way," says Cleevely. "I just found it massively over the top."

He shrugged his shoulders and swapped out the casing anywayjust like the insurance company wanted. It cost 600 ($745), plus tax.
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Insurers are even, in some cases, writing off entire cars just because of minor physical damage to battery casings. Sources who spoke to WIRED suggest there is a dearth of auto repair shops that know how to properly assess batteries, let alone repair them. "There's far too much scaremongering across our industry about EVs," says Cleevely. "The problem is the lack of understanding."

And some manufacturers are making things extra difficult for mechanics. Parts can be tricky to get hold of, and there's often little or no official information explaining how to repair certain EV battery units. That means such units might just get replaced at an eye-watering cost. Easily north of 10,000 ($12,430) for some models.

"If you're replacing a damaged battery with a new one, suddenly, once you've added in the other costs in terms of labor and hire cars," says Mark Fry, an engineering manager at Thatcham Research, "it's just not always economical to repair the car."

A spokesman for the Association for British Insurers adds that there are issues around the availability of repairers in the UK. The EV insurance market is, arguably, a little wobbly at present. In September, major British retailer John Lewis was forced to stop insuring EVs altogether after its underwriter, Cova, withdrew cover for these vehicles. A spokeswoman for Cova declined to clarify why the firm changed tack.

Some US-based insurance firms also exclude EVs, says Tim Zawacki, an analyst at S&P Global Market Intelligence. He says the industry is dependent on real-world experience, and at this point, that's still lacking.
Wired source.
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This was friends of ours. Very lucky they didn't catch the whole barndo on fire, but it was hot enough to melt the weather strip around the garage door. Whole video caught on security cam. Cause of fire Batteries. Insurance adjuster told them it happens alot more than you would care to know.
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nortex97 said:

The problems with fixing/repairing EV's.

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In June this year, a Hyundai Kona rolled into a repair shop in Cheltenham, England. Humming gently, as electric vehicles do, it seemed to be running just fine. But the insurance company wasn't ready to sign it off. The car had been in a minor collision, which had caused damage to its battery casing. Another repair shop, about an hour's drive away, had been asked to replace the casing, but they didn't know how.

And so, the car ended up here in Cheltenham, in front of Matt Cleevely, owner of Cleevely Motors. When he and his colleagues opened up the vehicle, they were stunned. Sure, the metal casing had a few light scratchesminor marks made by one of the car's rear suspension arms, which had got jolted during the incidentbut nothing more.

"They'd suffered very minor physical damage that neither compromised the integrity of the battery casing, nor was dangerous in any way," says Cleevely. "I just found it massively over the top."

He shrugged his shoulders and swapped out the casing anywayjust like the insurance company wanted. It cost 600 ($745), plus tax.
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Insurers are even, in some cases, writing off entire cars just because of minor physical damage to battery casings. Sources who spoke to WIRED suggest there is a dearth of auto repair shops that know how to properly assess batteries, let alone repair them. "There's far too much scaremongering across our industry about EVs," says Cleevely. "The problem is the lack of understanding."

And some manufacturers are making things extra difficult for mechanics. Parts can be tricky to get hold of, and there's often little or no official information explaining how to repair certain EV battery units. That means such units might just get replaced at an eye-watering cost. Easily north of 10,000 ($12,430) for some models.

"If you're replacing a damaged battery with a new one, suddenly, once you've added in the other costs in terms of labor and hire cars," says Mark Fry, an engineering manager at Thatcham Research, "it's just not always economical to repair the car."

A spokesman for the Association for British Insurers adds that there are issues around the availability of repairers in the UK. The EV insurance market is, arguably, a little wobbly at present. In September, major British retailer John Lewis was forced to stop insuring EVs altogether after its underwriter, Cova, withdrew cover for these vehicles. A spokeswoman for Cova declined to clarify why the firm changed tack.

Some US-based insurance firms also exclude EVs, says Tim Zawacki, an analyst at S&P Global Market Intelligence. He says the industry is dependent on real-world experience, and at this point, that's still lacking.
Wired source.


I'm impressed you quoted an article targeting people like you.

There's far too much scaremongering across our industry about EVs," says Cleevely. "The problem is the lack of understanding."
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Tesla insurance blasted;

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Launched in 2019 in response to owners' complaints about the lack of affordable coverage options due to high repair costs of Tesla vehicles, the company was introduced with Musk's promise to transform the nightmare of claim resolution into a dream. At the time, Musk hailed the auto insurer his company launched as 'revolutionary' and 'vastly better' to other carriers.

However, as a new investigation by Reuters reveals, this promise hasn't materialized. Tesla Insurance faces a steady stream of complaints on social media and in forum posts and is a frequent cause for concern among consumers who reach out to the Better Business Bureau (BBB).
Owners stuck waiting 9+ months for repairs:

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Accidents happen, that's why we all or most of us, anyway have insurance. And while it can be a pain ringing around organizing things after a wreck, it's usually only a few weeks of pain before we're either back on the road in our repaired car, or wondering how to spend the money we were given to replace it.

But that's not the experience some Tesla drivers are reporting in online communities. Some claim they're being forced to wait up to nine months just for someone to assess the damage to their EVs, with the actual repair time adding weeks or months to that timescale. And just to rub salt in the wound, some of these cases were no-fault accidents.

Posted under the heading "Seriously regretting my purchase now," on the r/TeslaModelY subreddit, one owner explained how he clipped the rear end of another car when it ran a red light at an intersection. The Model Y driver says there were no injuries and he was going so slowly that his car didn't register the accident and deleted the footage, but the earliest he can get an estimate close to his Seattle base is May 2024, six months from now.
My favorite part about the 'wave of the future' is how much better the 'technology' is going to make our lives.
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JFABNRGR said:

This was friends of ours. Very lucky they didn't catch the whole barndo on fire, but it was hot enough to melt the weather strip around the garage door. Whole video caught on security cam. Cause of fire Batteries. Insurance adjuster told them it happens alot more than you would care to know.

Vaxxer / EV thread wrecker to come along and say this didn't happen in 3,2,1….. only good thing about that is you get the insurance money to go buy a new gasoline or diesel one !
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Day 426 not paying for gas for my daily driver. Also day 426 of not burning down my house
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fullback44 said:

JFABNRGR said:

This was friends of ours. Very lucky they didn't catch the whole barndo on fire, but it was hot enough to melt the weather strip around the garage door. Whole video caught on security cam. Cause of fire Batteries. Insurance adjuster told them it happens alot more than you would care to know.

Vaxxer / EV thread wrecker to come along and say this didn't happen in 3,2,1….. only good thing about that is you get the insurance money to go buy a new gasoline or diesel one !

Why would I care about a UTV on an electric car thread?
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JFABNRGR said:

This was friends of ours. Very lucky they didn't catch the whole barndo on fire, but it was hot enough to melt the weather strip around the garage door. Whole video caught on security cam. Cause of fire Batteries. Insurance adjuster told them it happens alot more than you would care to know.

Yes, I have seen many ICE vehicles catch fire, generally because of the battery. People seem to forget every vehicle has batteries. EV's spend a lot more time thinking about how to keep them from being a safety hazard while ICE manufacturers have largely done nothing different for 20 or 30 years.
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https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/26/auto-execs-are-coming-clean-evs-aren-t-working/?ncid=edlinkusauto00000016

I know we will be told this doesn't include Tesla because they are awesome, but this article about EVs not selling does mention this Musk quote:

"Even Tesla's Elon Musk warned on a recent earnings call that economic concerns would lead to waning vehicle demand, even for the long-time EV market leader."
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No kidding...even the ICE truck market is flooded.

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Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....
"Green" is the new RED.
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Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..
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RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

I would rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies if they were losers in technologies that were not competitive on the world stage, and make the United States of America dependent on countries we do not need to be self reliant on energies we already have. If you are going down the environmental hole, then you cannot be reasoned with anyway. There are many, many reasons other than vehicles we need oil and gas for, but you would not begin to understand. However, you do need to understand this. Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level. Without oil and gas, in relations to the world, you have NOTHING. All of our enemies understand this. Why does our government not? It is not hard, again, it is all in my sig...
"Green" is the new RED.
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RoyVal said:


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..



Oh, look...a Premium troll. Why are they always liberals?

Please enlighten us with what "tax dollars" go to O&G.

Tax breaks, that all companies can/do use != subsidies like EVs have gotten, and some still do.
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BigRobSA said:

RoyVal said:


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..



Oh, look...a Premium troll. Why are they always liberals?

Please enlighten us with what "tax dollars" go to O&G.

Tax breaks, that all companies can/do use != subsidies like EVs have gotten, and some still do.


Here are the main ones. A lot less than EVs and like said, oil has always had a lot of national security implications. One of Germaine's big issues in WWII was a lack of oil and it is still the fuel that runs any modern military.

Foreign Tax Credit (26 U.S. Code 901. Active). Typically, when firms operating in foreign countries pay royalties abroad they can deduct these expenses from their taxable income. Instead of claiming royalty payments as deductions, oil and gas companies are able to treat them as fully deductible foreign income tax. In 2016, the JCT estimated that closing this loophole for all American businesses operating in countries that do not tax corporate income would generate $12.7 billion in tax revenue over the course of the following decade.

Master Limited Partnerships (Internal Revenue Code 7704. Indirect. Active). Many oil and gas companies are structured as Master Limited Partnerships (MLPs). This structure combines the investment advantages of publicly traded corporations with the tax benefits of partnerships. While shareholders still pay personal income tax, the MLP itself is exempt from corporate income taxes. More than three-quarters of MLPs are fossil fuel companies. This provision is not available to most industries including renewables. .

Percentage depletion can sometimes result in deductions greater than the capital cost of the well.

Many would say we have spent a lot of national defense dollars on oil security such as Gulf 1. It is unlikely we would have cared about Kuwait if they didn't have oil. While we are self sufficient, the price of domestic crude would have skyrocketed along with world oil prices had we not gone into Kuwait. We also were far from energy independent then.
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None of those are subsidies. As stated, they're tax breaks and can be/are used by companies of all sorts.
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BigRobSA said:

None of those are subsidies. As stated, they're tax breaks and can be/are used by companies of all sorts.

Tax breaks are subsidies too just in a different form. If you don't agree with that, then you must view the EV tax credit as not a subsidy since it is only a tax break.

What other industries can form an MLP other than oil and gas,, coal, real estate, and nitrogen fertilizer? No one else uses percentage depletion to the best of my knowledge.

Many industries in the US have special tax subsidies for just their industry. It is a bunch of corporate cronyism that should be eliminated. The MLP format was available to all companies from 1981 until 1987 when it was greatly narrowed as the concern was every company would convert and eliminate corporate taxes.
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Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.
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RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.


So, does the semiconductor require oil and gas to function? Or does oil and gas require semi conductors to provide energy? Think hard here. If a society had to pick one to exist, which gets the nod?

The world is not powered by your unicorn fart fueled utopia dreams. I may live in the past, but you live in a fantasy.

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RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.

Both are critical but if you think the US military runs without oil (and a small amount of uranium) you are fooling yourself. That isn't changing anytime soon either.
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Still waiting for the first EV to be made. Todays version is powered by O&G from day one through ownership of an EV, perpetually.
But go ahead and rant on about O&G
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RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.


What powers a semiconductor?
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MaroonStain said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.


What powers a semiconductor?
Pixie dust.
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torrid said:

MaroonStain said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.


What powers a semiconductor?
Pixie dust.
Just spit out my martini from laughing. Well played.
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RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.
The ignorance and idealism here is stunning.

Sure semiconductors are important but you can build a car without one- its been done millions of times. You can build a tank or tractor without em? Sure. Are they better with them yes ? Are semi conductors important sure no question.

Are they a matter of life and death to a large high population civilization. No

Now probably on a world with 8 billion people the single most important line item global commodity is fertilizer. Its not sexy, its not cool but its essential. And what is used to create it and globally transport it ?

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ttu_85 said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

RoyVal said:

Old Sarge said:

Ha Ha.

The regular old V8 truck rules. As it should, every time, sans a diesel.

EVs are great if someone wants to dump cash, in a coal powered (yes, that's what it is) glorified golf cart of less than 300 mile range. And that is what it is, because once you load it up like a normal consumer, that is the best you get.

I don't want to prohibit anyone from purchasing an EV. Buy one if you want. Great. However, we as Americans should NEVER be mandated into only having this choice, PERIOD. If EVs should ever gain market share, it should be EARNED. EF Hutton commercials anyone (olds will get that ref) , but it is true.

Tax dollars should never go to a market to influence a winner. Especially one that harms the environment, on behalf of the environment, when it does nothing more than restricts the ability to move around freely.

All you need to know is in my sig....


Waiting to hear your rant about tax dollars going to oil and gas companies next…..

Oil and gas runs the world on a security level. A national security level.
you're living in the past.

semiconductors run the world as much as oil does now.
The ignorance and idealism here is stunning.

Sure semiconductors are important but you can build a car without one- its been done millions of times. You can build a tank or tractor without em? Sure. Are they better with them yes ? Are semi conductors important sure no question.

Are they a matter of life and death to a large high population civilization. No

Now probably on a world with 8 billion people the single most important line item global commodity is fertilizer. Its not sexy, its not cool but its essential. And what is used to create it and globally transport it ?


While it could be done, it would take totally retooling our factories and replacing our existing equipment. You couldn't drill, produce, and refine oil without semiconductors today. In other words, oil, like every other product, requires a large number of other items and the magic hand of the market provides them.

As for fertilizer, it is also critical because no regime survives without feeding its people.
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Oh no you di'ent!
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BEV driver stuck with 19K battery bill tells others to stash the money saved on gas.

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Most of us have probably experienced the frustration of a dishwasher, washing machine or TV packing up the moment the manufacturer warranty is out of the picture. Sometimes it can feel like all those problems are checking their watches and waiting for the go-ahead to go wrong.

But while having to unexpectedly fork out $500 for new white goods is a pain, it's nothing compared with having to pay for a new EV battery when your car is out of warranty. One Reddit user posted the invoice presented to him by his local Tesla service center to fix his Model S's loss of driving range from 270 to 215 miles (435-346 km), revealing that the cost of the fix came to a scary $19,346.06.

"Beware!!" the Model S owner warned other members of the r/RealTesla subreddit. "You may save in fuel or oil changes but make sure you save the money for a battery 4 months out of warranty and I need a new battery 163,000 miles 2015 Model S."
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