I don't think ICE or gas stations will vanish, but they will become fewer and gas prices will rise accordingly.

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That's why I think there's a need for both ICE and EV's in the future. Trying to force either on the population is just another spork. And everything can agree that the spork sucks.

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Fortunately, modern scientists have improved on the spork by adding a knife on the other end. The ultimate utensil.

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I am a very logical person. I too think I'm a very logical person. Most of my cars are bought new and higher end. So save the but but but most can't afford EVs.

I am just talking about myself which we all know goes for most Americans. I have about 50K to spend on a new car and 99.5% of my driving in withing 100 miles of my city so almost never need to stop to charge.

I could buy a Tesla for 50k and
1. Save time pouring gas at 10pm next to homelss camps Why are you filling up at 10 PM next to homeless camps? I fill up on the way to work or home from sork
2. Save 2K/yr in gas how much more are you spending on electricity or is it free to charge your EV at home?
3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes you must drive like an animal because I don't have to change my breaks but every 4-5 years (and it's only $100-200 since I can take an hour to do it myself)
4. Save scheduled visits to the stealerships If you are going to stealerships for anything outside of warranty, you are asking to get ripped off, go to a local mechanic or watch YouTube and do it yourself.
5. Avoid going to stealerships and get price gouged, nebulous add ons see 4
6. Pay $200 in EV registration
7. Have a higher performance car that will smoke every car in the 50k price range Not everyone wants a high performance car, so that's just personal preference (good luck joining us out in the woods/west Texas for hunting, etc).
8. Have more tech than any car in the 50K price rangeId love less technology on my truck to make it even easier to fix.
9. Can set my car remotely to cool to 60 degrees walking out to my car in the Texas 105 degree heat and the car inside reading 160 remote start works just fine for me
10. Have my car in Heat prevention mode so the 160 degree inside will not fry anything see 9 & 10
11. I can buy grocery and set my car temp at 65 degrees and run more errands without having to drive home to drop things off My wife throws a cooler in the back of the Suburban with ice packs and it does a damn fine job at that.
12. I can remote start my car and let anyone drive it without a key you're a lot more trusting than me because I wouldn't want to let many people drive my vehicles and I can give them the key if I want them to
13. Have cameras to detect all sides of my car in crash or sentry mode and be used against you, see next post
14. Put my car in FSD and go from Austin to CS without moving the wheel. I have only done this on highway driving but the car is getting close to FSD in the City WSJ put out a video of a guy that used it one late night after drinking and even though he adjusted the steering wheel several times during the drive, the autopilot ran straight into an emergency vehicle on the NE side of Houston. Footage from the Tesla was used against the owner for his conviction.



15. Have a car that is essentially theft proof. It is close to impossible to steal my car, impossible and if you do I will know exactly where you are. as of now may be theft proof, but if you think they cannot/will not ever be hacked, you're fooling yourself.
16. I can leave my dog in the car and do errands I'll give you this one since I'd love to leave my dog in the car during errands.
17. I can wait for my kids activities and watch youtube, netflix I can also do this but on my phone
18. I get OTA updates regularly that fixes most issues without taking the car in to the stealerships to fix something. no idea what OTA is but if it is warranty go to the stealerships if not, do it yourself or find a local mechanic
19. I can get service in Austin where the mobile guy comes to fix most minor issues such as putting a hitch on my car It says a lot about a man that needs another man to put a hitch on his car.
20. I have more storage/trunk space than any car this size. It has more storage/cargo space than an X5 we have a truck and large SUV so no comment here
21. Essentially the safest SUV you can ride in maybe, except for the whole autopilot thing in the link above.

or I can buy a 50K lexus/bmw/mercedes and
1. Drive anywhere in the country without range anxiety which would happen about once a year. There are superchargers everywhere now and this is more a myth than fact
2. I can feel great about myself because I am not letting the government push something on me.
3. I can call those who buy EVs green nuts

https://www.iseecars.com/compare/bmw-x5-vs-tesla-model_y


An Odd hill to die on especially as ICE will start become obsolete. Once the US hits 30% adoption, you will start to see gas stations closing, stealerships closing, and repair shops closing. Superchargers are popping up like weeds. In the next decade, it may be easier to find a supercharger than a gas station. Many gas stations will have to put in superchargers next to their gas stations as you are seeing at some HEBs and many Buccees.

Good luck clutching your CDs. Thanks! Good luck clutching to more government interfering with our capitalist market which I'm sure the founding fathers really wanted when they created this country

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So smart ass!

How am I going pull my dump trailer?
My horse trailer?
Bbq pit?
Etc

With a Tesla?

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I can no longer pull my boat to Lake Fork. It is just about at the range of my Lightning pulling my boat. It is a sacrifice. But I just drop the boat from the slings to the water on the lake I live on. If I want to Fish Fork, I'll have to beg my buddy to use his truck.
Unless I can find a charger between here and there.

Y'all are worried about towing with an EV? I saw this dude at the Buccee's supercharger in Katy charging his model Y while towing. He seemed to be having a grand old time.

A grand old time taking up 4 or 6 spots while illegally parked for the better part of an hour.

I guess he'd have around the max limit (3500 pounds/300 pound tongue weight) to go around 150 miles with that large a trailer, though I doubt it is within the mfg limits. Typical.

Yep, looks like all of those Salem hitch weights are almost double what the Model Y's can safely handle.

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers-and-fifth-wheels/salem?RegionSelected=1

https://www.canamrv.ca/blog/post/tesla-towing-london-to-colorado-and-back-2/

Did you miss my post about EVs not being a good option if you are hauling things?

these threads always devolve into the same. People who have/like Evs just state why they like them/how they are better for them over ICE.

Then a bunch of never EV-ers state the obvious why they will never buy one and then label them socialist/tree huggers which is far from the truth.

As a family with an ICE already, an EV makes complete sense.

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They are totally just against the mandates, sir.

Yes, there are those reactions.

However, there are also some blatantly and smugly "superior" people touting EVs, with the clear implication that everyone else is a Luddite dunderhead. Plenty of both.

For the vast majority on here that issue is governmental market interference, and draconian mandates.

EV trucks are great at hauling items below the roof line, not much range loss.

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Why are you filling up at 10 PM next to homeless camps? I fill up on the way to work -
In Austin, there are homeless people everwhere and if you pour gas near a major intersection they are loitering.

how much more are you spending on electricity or is it free to charge your EV at home?
I driver 25K/yr. So, gas is 2k more than electricity use. I actually save more b/c my work has a level 2 charger I use but I don't even count.

you must drive like an animal because I don't have to change my breaks but every 4-5 years (and it's only $100-200 since I can take an hour to do it myself)
My old BMW needed new brakes ever 40K miles or so.


f you are going to stealerships for anything outside of warranty, you are asking to get ripped off, go to a local mechanic or watch YouTube and do it yourself.
That is like me telling you to stop going to doctors and just watch Youtube or google webmd

Not everyone wants a high performance car, so that's just personal preference (good luck joining us out in the woods/west Texas for hunting, etc).
Quick acceleration and regen brakes are a great safety feature.

love less technology on my truck to make it even easier to fix.
That's like mee maw still having a flip phone and using a typewriter. Yeah makes alot of sense. My Tesla tech never had an issue after 80k.

remote start works just fine for me
What a joke of an answer. So you remote start from 30 feet away and when you get to the car its still 140.


10. Have my car in Heat prevention mode so the 160 degree inside will not fry anything see 9 & 10
160 degrees messes up everything in the car eventually, every peels. Tell me I am wrong.


My wife throws a cooler in the back of the Suburban with ice packs and it does a damn fine job at that.
So your wife spends 10 minutes to throw ice packs/and cooler is a great solution? If she had camp mode, then she would never go back to a cooler. Welcome to the flip phone age.


12. I can remote start my car and let anyone drive it without a key you're a lot more trusting than me because I wouldn't want to let many people drive my vehicles and I can give them the key if I want them to
Sometimes people lose their keys and get locked out. I start it for my wife from home and you have to drive there. Again, just a better solution


WSJ put out a video of a guy that used it one late night after drinking and even though he adjusted the steering wheel several times during the drive, the autopilot ran straight into an emergency vehicle on the NE side of Houston. Footage from the Tesla was used against the owner for his conviction.
Until you have it, you don't understand. You don't have to use it or buy it. But some do.



as of now may be theft proof, but if you think they cannot/will not ever be hacked, you're fooling yourself.
I rather have a theft proof car now than not. Plus if thieves figure it out, an OTA update will fix it. When hackers find a windows hole, they patch it. I rather this than just throwing my hands up in the air.


I'll give you this one since I'd love to leave my dog in the car during errands.
Glad we can agree on one thing. I leave my teenage kids in the car too when I run errands.

I can also do this but on my phone
So 4 inch phone vs a 15 inch screen. Got it.

no idea what OTA is but if it is warranty go to the stealerships if not, do it yourself or find a local mechanic
You go to stealership and spend hours while I sleep at night with an Over The Air software patch. Many of Tesla's recalls have been fixed with OTA. I have a Honda Software recall that I still haven't found the time to go in.


It says a lot about a man that needs another man to put a hitch on his car.
Again, that would be me telling you that you are not a man for taking your kids to the doctor for minor stuff. I know my expertise and know when I don't want to spend my time figuring it out.

maybe, except for the whole autopilot thing in the link above.
Again, you don't ever need to turn autopilot on.


I think you have proven my point. Why live in the 2000's using a blackberry when you can use an iphone.

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Yes, there are those reactions.

However, there are also some blatantly and smugly "superior" people touting EVs, with the clear implication that everyone else is a Luddite dunderhead. Plenty of both.

For the vast majority on here that issue is governmental market interference, and draconian mandates.

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Well, I am in no way superior having an EV than someone who wants an ICE, motorcycle, skateboard. Do what you want.

I get the mandate/gov interference but this happens in many aspects of life. But for some reasons, people label EV drivers as left wing, tree hugging, girly, socialist zealots.

If someone made a gas car that saves me 70% on Gas, add the Tech and acceleration then I would never get an EV. If gas was $1/gal like in the 90's, EVs would never be popular.

I bet EVs are better for short distance towing due to their weight, low center of gravity, and torque. I currently tow my 4-5K AR250 boat around with my Model Y short distances without any issues. I will be getting a cyber truck when available to take over this task.

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US avg MPG: 25.4
US avg Miles driven: 13,849
>> avg gallons used: 545.23
$0.38/gal tax (federal plus Tx)
Avg annual gas tax: $209.30

Many in Texas drive more and get lower mpg (bigger vehicles/trucks)

I drive an MKX and my gas tax bill is over $300/year

Not to mention, new EV buyers are getting a $7,500 federal tax credit. The $200 fee is fair.

Your entire, bulleted reply is the very definition of smugness. And OTA patch for a car compared to a child's medical care? Guess we know what value you put on children.

By the way, the only electronic thing in my 40 year old daily driver is an ignition module. If it went out and was never available again, the magneto on the shelf gets me going again in about 30 minutes.

Most EV's are boring jelly beans, except for the very few that are stylish and fun. Those tend to be priced way out of the average performance buyers range.

Not advocating one as better than the other, but I'll take the smiles per gallon in my rotary phone. You can keep the iPhone. The screen is probably cracked anyway.

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I am a very logical person. Most of my cars are bought new and higher end. So save the but but but most can't afford EVs.

I am just talking about myself which we all know goes for most Americans. I have about 50K to spend on a new car and 99.5% of my driving in withing 100 miles of my city so almost never need to stop to charge.

you clearly dont do any real living by my definition. even if your life is just urban office and soccer and movies and groceries and bars or golf or whatever, i have still been in at least 15 situations in the last 20 years where an EV would have left me stranded and my life in danger, and would likely have cost me nearly everything i care about. And the last 20 years was certain to be a hell of a lot calmer than the next 20. Power outages, tornados, storms, hurricanes, floods, riots, curfews, blackouts, you name it.

I could buy a Tesla for 50k and
1. Save time pouring gas at 10pm next to homelss camps

wait, what? i guess if your driving never requires you to charge and your home power never goes out. But then again, if you plan as much as you seem to, you would never have this problem anyway.

2. Save 2K/yr in gas
wrong - you are paying for electrons in many ways

3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

4. Save scheduled visits to the stealerships
dont know what you are talking about - maintenance on ICE is nearly nothing these days, and you are still doing every single thing on an EV except oil changes and fuel filter changes. you actually probably have more systems other than internal


5. Avoid going to stealerships and get price gouged, nebulous add ons
maybe, i dont deal with that ****


6. Pay $200 in EV registration
ok, should be 20 times that for the destruction this is all doing to the world and everything good about it.


7. Have a higher performance car that will smoke every car in the 50k price range
well, on start stop from zero to 80 or so, sure. though i dont know how fast a stock tesla is. Certainly the highly modded ones i am familiar with accellerate very quickly on slippery surfaces compared to rear drive or especially front drive ICE cars. however, they dont perform well all around - not on any other performance category. they can be made to handle well, brake well, and accellerate well, i will give them that - if you can maintain a charge. They can't make multiple track laps at speed, or even handle a full autocross without extensive charging. all the highly modded ones i have seen spend the whole day desperately finding time to charge and if anything goes wrong they are screwed.

8. Have more tech than any car in the 50K price range
name one useful thing

9. Can set my car remotely to cool to 60 degrees walking out to my car in the Texas 105 degree heat and the car inside reading 160
i guess this is your useful thing. not relevant or worth anything to me.

10. Have my car in Heat prevention mode so the 160 degree inside will not fry anything
i've never fried anything in any car

11. I can buy grocery and set my car temp at 65 degrees and run more errands without having to drive home to drop things off
bizarre, how do you even think of that as something worth mentioning!?

12. I can remote start my car and let anyone drive it without a key
holy **** that is an unbelievable design defect and completely dangerous and irresponsible.


13. Have cameras to detect all sides of my car in crash or sentry mode
this is another design defect, you should be observing your surroundings. one of my new trucks unfortunately has this bull**** defect as well, so if you think that is a good thing, you are wrong, but more importantly, all cars are coming with this defect now.


14. Put my car in FSD and go from Austin to CS without moving the wheel. I have only done this on highway driving but the car is getting close to FSD in the City
Now this is the most ****ing scary, irresponsible, assinine thing i have ever heard of. I can't believe an actual human would actually let this happen. That said, this irresponsible defect and unamerican bull**** is not unique to EV's anymore, government is pushing this **** on all vehicles.


15. Have a car that is essentially theft proof. It is close to impossible to steal my car, impossible and if you do I will know exactly where you are.

first off this is a joke, any modern vehicle is absurdly easy to steal. google 'steal a tesla' you'll find a million hacks to do it for $300 bucks or less and done in 10 seconds or less.


16. I can leave my dog in the car and do errands
wow. so can i.

17. I can wait for my kids activities and watch youtube, netflix
ok, i have a phone and ipad, that wont be quickly obsolete and doesn't rely on the car or integrate with anything, which is another defect, and doesn't drain my car. and i bet you have them too, which means you paid for a useless obsolete duplicate for no reason.

18. I get OTA updates regularly that fixes most issues without taking the car in to the stealerships to fix something.

another severe, absolutely inexcusable defect. unbelievable and again assinine and irresponsible. A ****ing vehicle should have mechanical key, steering, hydraulic brakes, door locks, shifter, etc. Anything other than that is a deliberate **** job by people with ulterior motives. Anything other than that and you can never own or control your car. Any lender, manufacturer, law enforcement, government agency, (e.g. if fema decides they dont want you to be allowed to travel in a supposed 'emergency'), emp, solar flare, riot, flood, tornado, heavy storm, power outage, hacker, thief, enemy, or actual real big emergency, and you are either immobile, or actually not able to control your vehicle or even enter or exit it. But dont brag, unfortunately most new ICE vehicles also have this exact defect, by deliberate design, and probably all will within 4 years. You can't even really google it, as ICE manufacturers know their customers are smarter than EV customers, who think this is a good feature. ICE customers mostly know that this is a complete, deal killing design defect and deliberate **** job. So GM for instance, hides all the real details behind this system. Google "Global B" and all you'll get is a one paragraph platitude.

the funny thing is with your self driving bull****, anyone can actually lock your ass in your car and drive you anywhere they want, whenever they want, including off a cliff. have fun with that. or you could just get a blue screen of death and the car does whatever it wants with you by accident.



19. I can get service in Austin where the mobile guy comes to fix most minor issues such as putting a hitch on my car
so can anyone else.

20. I have more storage/trunk space than any car this size. It has more storage/cargo space than an X5
that i have not analyzed, but i like my trucks

21. Essentially the safest SUV you can ride in
i seriously doubt that. I have seen teslas carved up. that is probably the least developed, simplest stamped steel shell made by any car maker. Nothing wrong with that, except heavy and cheap, but you are saying its' a cheap car after all.


or I can buy a 50K lexus/bmw/mercedes and
1. Drive anywhere in the country without range anxiety which would happen about once a year. There are superchargers everywhere now and this is more a myth than fact
2. I can feel great about myself because I am not letting the government push something on me.
3. I can call those who buy EVs green nuts

https://www.iseecars.com/compare/bmw-x5-vs-tesla-model_y


An Odd hill to die on especially as ICE will start become obsolete. Once the US hits 30% adoption, you will start to see gas stations closing, stealerships closing, and repair shops closing. Superchargers are popping up like weeds. In the next decade, it may be easier to find a supercharger than a gas station. Many gas stations will have to put in superchargers next to their gas stations as you are seeing at some HEBs and many Buccees.

Good luck clutching your CDs.

ICE cars will not be obsolete, except by government edict designed to **** over the middle class. in fact there is a decent chance that battery supply chain blows up and they become obsolete instead. Maybe if there is some huge miracle power generation and battery charging and storage revolution, then it could happen, but that is just unicorn farts right now.

You are right about one thing though, the same government bull**** pushing this garbage is also pushing to **** over the ICE market and infrastructure, and we'll all be the poorer for it. the difference is, you helped cause it.

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US avg Miles driven: 13,849
>> avg gallons used: 545.23
$0.38/gal tax (federal plus Tx)
Avg annual gas tax: $209.30

Many in Texas drive more and get lower mpg (bigger vehicles/trucks)

I drive an MKX and my gas tax bill is over $300/year

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So how much of the $200 is Texas going to kick back to the Feds for their portion of the gas tax?

Also, average fuel economy across everything is a poor metric to use. Should be based upon a new vehicle in the same class. So, average fuel economy for a brand new mid-size sedan in the case of a model 3.

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The model y performance is a family crossover that will do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and 150mph that saves $2k a year on gas, with no maintenance, at delivery. Name a $50k family vehicle that does that.

I mean maybe, but I never let facts get in the way of laughing at EV's. This image is an all time favorite. Have to imagine some Tesla obsessed yokel needing to come up with a way to keep it when his commute situation changed and he found himself "out of range"

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you have every system an ICE vehicle has and then some, except fuel, internal ICE rotating parts which are typically 300k mile parts, cooling, oiling, again all of which are fairly low maintenance except for oil changes, which are nothing.

He's probably going to camping or somewhere. There's never a need for that setup in normal driving. But enjoy the meme. You seem to really be educated on EV's.

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you have every system an ICE vehicle has and then some, except fuel, internal ICE rotating parts which are typically 300k mile parts, cooling, oiling, again all of which are fairly low maintenance except for oil changes, which are nothing.

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LOL, that's plain science. which demonstrates your ignorance.

ICE sedan on track runs through rotors every 12 hours, pads every 6

off track that makes 50k miles/25k

teslas are going through rotors every 8/pads 4, and that means your mileage is going to be similarly impacted.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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LOL, moronery: literally the only thing you've eliminated with an EV is a rotating engine and transmission assembly, cooling and lubrication; but you've replaced it with extremely complex battery and wiring and software.


wheels tires brake pads fluid levels 6250
air filter, wheels tires brake pa
ds fluid levels 12500
and continuing every 6250

https://manuelsbodyshop.com/blog/top-5-common-repairs-on-tesla-electric-vehicles/

Teslas are commonly plagued with unexpected loss of power and poor manufacturing. Average annual Tesla repair costs hover around $590.

https://getjerry.com/car-repair/common-problems-with-tesla

Issues with Autopilot feature and cruise control adjustment

Failed power steering system

Occasional loss of power

Unable to be towed

Poor build quality

Unreliable warning lights

Prematurely worn-out battery pack (especially in cold weather)

Autopilot failure, poor windshield visibility, faulty steering system, unexpected acceleration

Shuts down while driving, loss of power, lock system malfunctions, faulty touchscreen

Unexpected stopping, poor wheel alignment, sudden loss of tire pressure, faulty seat belt retention system

[url=https://getjerry.com/car-repair/tesla-sentry-mode-battery-drain][/url]Battery failures

• Faulty transmission systems, sometimes resulting in a full transmission replacement
• Poor manufacturing quality
• Sudden loss of power
• Faulty universal joints on the drive shaft

A risky quality issue: The streamlined door handles conduct heat when the Model S is left in the sunburning some owners when they try to open their cars' doors.

• Power steering failure leads to the steering wheel locking up while turning.
• The Model X is prone to dangerous, unexpected acceleration.

Tesla service center mechanics have yet to find a surefire way to fix these dangerous acceleration issues, so there's no guarantee that they'll be covered under warranty.

• Complete failure of the touchscreen system
• Getting locked out of the car
• Sudden loss of power while driving

Some of these issues have been traced to a faulty high-voltage controller, while others may require a simple software update to remedy.

Unexpected stops caused by collision avoidance system malfunctions

Sudden loss of tire pressure

Broken seat belt retention systems

https://getjerry.com/car-repair/common-problems-with-tesla#fa-qs

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Why are you filling up at 10 PM next to homeless camps? I fill up on the way to work -
In Austin, there are homeless people everwhere and if you pour gas near a major intersection they are loitering. Sounds like you live in a ****ty city/neighborhood.

how much more are you spending on electricity or is it free to charge your EV at home?
I driver 25K/yr. So, gas is 2k more than electricity use. I actually save more b/c my work has a level 2 charger I use but I don't even count.

you must drive like an animal because I don't have to change my breaks but every 4-5 years (and it's only $100-200 since I can take an hour to do it myself)
My old BMW needed new brakes ever 40K miles or so. My point stands, you drive like an animal

f you are going to stealerships for anything outside of warranty, you are asking to get ripped off, go to a local mechanic or watch YouTube and do it yourself.
That is like me telling you to stop going to doctors and just watch Youtube or google webmd So changing my faulty brake caliper or my radiator is the equivalent doing medicine I learn off of youtube? Go tell that to f46 and see what response you get.

Not everyone wants a high performance car, so that's just personal preference (good luck joining us out in the woods/west Texas for hunting, etc).
Quick acceleration and regen brakes are a great safety feature. quick acceleration and bragging about speed not to mention your braking habits tells me you need every bit of "safety features."

love less technology on my truck to make it even easier to fix.
That's like mee maw still having a flip phone and using a typewriter. Yeah makes alot of sense. My Tesla tech never had an issue after 80k. So everyone has to have the latest technology to be considered hip and not a meemaw? I prefer to spend my money elsewhere.

remote start works just fine for me
What a joke of an answer. So you remote start from 30 feet away and when you get to the car its still 140. You sound like the California *****ing about hot Texas summers in that other thread.


10. Have my car in Heat prevention mode so the 160 degree inside will not fry anything see 9 & 10
160 degrees messes up everything in the car eventually, every peels. Tell me I am wrong. That's nice, we got a 78 Ford out at the ranch that's doing just fine. How will the battery in your Tesla be doing in 45 years?


My wife throws a cooler in the back of the Suburban with ice packs and it does a damn fine job at that.
So your wife spends 10 minutes to throw ice packs/and cooler is a great solution? If she had camp mode, then she would never go back to a cooler. Welcome to the flip phone age.it takes her all of 30 seconds to grab them, but thanks for being condescending.


12. I can remote start my car and let anyone drive it without a key you're a lot more trusting than me because I wouldn't want to let many people drive my vehicles and I can give them the key if I want them to
Sometimes people lose their keys and get locked out. I start it for my wife from home and you have to drive there. Again, just a better solution I've never had any of those problems


WSJ put out a video of a guy that used it one late night after drinking and even though he adjusted the steering wheel several times during the drive, the autopilot ran straight into an emergency vehicle on the NE side of Houston. Footage from the Tesla was used against the owner for his conviction.
Until you have it, you don't understand. You don't have to use it or buy it. But some do. So when you can't refute you go to feelz and statements that are backed up by fact. Got it.



as of now may be theft proof, but if you think they cannot/will not ever be hacked, you're fooling yourself.
I rather have a theft proof car now than not. Plus if thieves figure it out, an OTA update will fix it. When hackers find a windows hole, they patch it. I rather this than just throwing my hands up in the air. Ok. Jr I'm not worried about someone jacking my rides.


I'll give you this one since I'd love to leave my dog in the car during errands.
Glad we can agree on one thing. I leave my teenage kids in the car too when I run errands. So I give you one comment and you give a condescending remark? Sums up Tesla owners perfectly

I can also do this but on my phone
So 4 inch phone vs a 15 inch screen. Got it. I goof off on my phone some but I typically like to watch my children do their activities. They always look over to see if dad is watching. I can live without a 15" screen for that.

no idea what OTA is but if it is warranty go to the stealerships if not, do it yourself or find a local mechanic
You go to stealership and spend hours while I sleep at night with an Over The Air software patch. Many of Tesla's recalls have been fixed with OTA. I have a Honda Software recall that I still haven't found the time to go in. Havent spent "hours" at a stealerships on years, when I got the Burban, the rear AC didn't work so they got me a rental until it was repaired.


It says a lot about a man that needs another man to put a hitch on his car.
Again, that would be me telling you that you are not a man for taking your kids to the doctor for minor stuff. I know my expertise and know when I don't want to spend my time figuring it out. Again, comparing changing my oil and replacing my AC condenser to doing medicine based on YouTube. Unreal

maybe, except for the whole autopilot thing in the link above.
Again, you don't ever need to turn autopilot on.


I think you have proven my point. Why live in the 2000's using a blackberry when you can use an iphone. Why get not get the rona shot right as it's available. I mean it's safe free and effective as TelsAg proclaimed for a year on this board. Sorry not everyone wants to live your lifestyle.

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3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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Pump the brakes!!! (Pun intended) What is the "life of the vehicle" that it will NEVER need brakes before replacing the car??? And what kind of unobtanium are they made from??