When are we gonna talk about the highway fuel taxes EVs don't pay, and the best way to recoup that revenue?

cecil77 said:

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When are we gonna talk about the highway fuel taxes EVs don't pay, and the best way to recoup that revenue?

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You mean the $200 annual EV road tax that EV drivers started paying in Texas 4 days ago?

Friendly reminder: comparing/pretending an EV fire to an ICE fire is 1:1 is just embarrassing. One of them literally cannot be extinguished except by certain chemicals and specialty trained emergency response. The other is a standard vehicle fire that can be handled in 45 min with much more standard ( less expensive) equipment.

Friendly reminder, ICE vehicles are far more prone to fire than EV's. ICE vehicles can and do spontaneously catch fire in garages and kill people in documented instances. Several ICE manufacturers have even suggested parking ICE vehicles outside.

If you have a family think long and hard before putting your family in an ICE vehicle.

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/tesla-spend-on-australian-minerals-has-tripled-in-two-years-chair-says-b057173c

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Tesla is spending more than three times as much on Australian minerals than it did in 2021, chair Robyn Denholm said Tuesday.

The electric-vehicle maker expects to spend more than 4.3 billion Australian dollars (US$2.8 billion) on Australian minerals in 2023, up from A$1.3 billion in 2021, Denholm told a mining-industry conference in Canberra.

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Great, more Australian child slaves working in lithium mines

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cargo-ship-fire-netherlands-ev-electric-vehicle-battery-north-sea-freemantle-highway/
//Any truth to this mainstream media report of a burning BEV ship adrift off the Netherlands. It probably has to sink to estinguish the fire.//just my thoughts//

cecil77 said:

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When are we gonna talk about the highway fuel taxes EVs don't pay, and the best way to recoup that revenue?

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I'm glad you brought that up because it's bull that I have to pay a punitive $200 car registration renewal each year while the average car owner pays around $115/year in fuel taxes.

You are just a parrot listing sound bites you've heard from anti-electric propaganda put out by big gas companies....except this one bit you in the rear. so yeah....let's talk about it......

cecil77 said:

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When are we gonna talk about the highway fuel taxes EVs don't pay, and the best way to recoup that revenue?

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Fortunately, they have to pay 2 years up front starting this month. I'd like to see the fee increased at least five fold to cover fire department training and equipment EV adoption will necessitate.

Home charges should also be disabled but for days/times when renewable generation is contributing substantially to the grid, or otherwise surcharged appropriately for the increased consumption.

RoyVal said:

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cecil77 said:

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When are we gonna talk about the highway fuel taxes EVs don't pay, and the best way to recoup that revenue?

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I'm glad you brought that up because it's bull that I have to pay a punitive $200 car registration renewal each year while the average car owner pays around $115/year in fuel taxes.

You are just a parrot listing sound bites you've heard from anti-electric propaganda put out by big gas companies....except this one bit you in the rear. so yeah....let's talk about it......

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Try again.

Tx DOT says you are saving $500 - $1500 in gas taxes.

You're not paying your fair share.

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cecil77 said:

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When are we gonna talk about the highway fuel taxes EVs don't pay, and the best way to recoup that revenue?

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Home charges should also be disabled but for days/times when renewable generation is contributing substantially to the grid, or otherwise surcharged appropriately for the increased consumption.

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this might be dumbest thing I ever read....increased consumption? What's next? charging folks that use an electric dryer instead of a gas dryer an extra surcharge? oh crap..I have a pool with an electric motor.....and I put an AC in my garage......

tell me more about when and how I should be able to use the electricity I pay for......

That's 117,187.5 miles of gas tax at 30 mpg….

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RoyVal said:

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cecil77 said:

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When are we gonna talk about the highway fuel taxes EVs don't pay, and the best way to recoup that revenue?

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I'm glad you brought that up because it's bull that I have to pay a punitive $200 car registration renewal each year while the average car owner pays around $115/year in fuel taxes.

You are just a parrot listing sound bites you've heard from anti-electric propaganda put out by big gas companies....except this one bit you in the rear. so yeah....let's talk about it......

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Try again.

Tx DOT says you are saving $500 - $1500 in gas taxes.

You're not paying your fair share.

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Manhattan said:

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That's 117,187.5 miles of gas tax at 30 mpg….

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I told myself I was done posting on this forum because of the morons that are pulling information out of their a$$es....and I was about to do the math on his silly reply...but you saved me the time LOL...thx.

now I'm done. amazing to me how many parrots there are in this world

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Home charges should also be disabled but for days/times when renewable generation is contributing substantially to the grid, or otherwise surcharged appropriately for the increased consumption.

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Why? People should be able to use whatever power they want and pay for. Should they disable your thermostat too?

RoyVal said:

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Manhattan said:

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That's 117,187.5 miles of gas tax at 30 mpg….

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I told myself I was done posting on this forum because of the morons that are pulling information out of their a$$es....and I was about to do the math on his silly reply...but you saved me the time LOL...thx.

now I'm done. amazing to me how many parrots there are in this world

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Look in the mirror, hoss

Not even looking back at what I missed yesterday that got the China-EV fan club so upset about this thread.

nortex97 said:

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Not even looking back at what I missed yesterday that got the China-EV fan club so upset about this thread.

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The Just The Mandates got in a tizzy because 2 or 3 cars caught on fire after being submerged in seawater. So it was recommended not to submerge your vehicle.

I am a very logical person. Most of my cars are bought new and higher end. So save the but but but most can't afford EVs.

I am just talking about myself which we all know goes for most Americans. I have about 50K to spend on a new car and 99.5% of my driving in withing 100 miles of my city so almost never need to stop to charge.

I could buy a Tesla for 50k and
1. Save time pouring gas at 10pm next to homelss camps
2. Save 2K/yr in gas
3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
4. Save scheduled visits to the stealerships
5. Avoid going to stealerships and get price gouged, nebulous add ons
6. Pay $200 in EV registration
7. Have a higher performance car that will smoke every car in the 50k price range
8. Have more tech than any car in the 50K price range
9. Can set my car remotely to cool to 60 degrees walking out to my car in the Texas 105 degree heat and the car inside reading 160
10. Have my car in Heat prevention mode so the 160 degree inside will not fry anything
11. I can buy grocery and set my car temp at 65 degrees and run more errands without having to drive home to drop things off
12. I can remote start my car and let anyone drive it without a key
13. Have cameras to detect all sides of my car in crash or sentry mode
14. Put my car in FSD and go from Austin to CS without moving the wheel. I have only done this on highway driving but the car is getting close to FSD in the City
15. Have a car that is essentially theft proof. It is close to impossible to steal my car, impossible and if you do I will know exactly where you are.
16. I can leave my dog in the car and do errands
17. I can wait for my kids activities and watch youtube, netflix
18. I get OTA updates regularly that fixes most issues without taking the car in to the stealerships to fix something.
19. I can get service in Austin where the mobile guy comes to fix most minor issues such as putting a hitch on my car
20. I have more storage/trunk space than any car this size. It has more storage/cargo space than an X5
21. Essentially the safest SUV you can ride in

or I can buy a 50K lexus/bmw/mercedes and
1. Drive anywhere in the country without range anxiety which would happen about once a year. There are superchargers everywhere now and this is more a myth than fact
2. I can feel great about myself because I am not letting the government push something on me.
3. I can call those who buy EVs green nuts

https://www.iseecars.com/compare/bmw-x5-vs-tesla-model_y


An Odd hill to die on especially as ICE will start become obsolete. Once the US hits 30% adoption, you will start to see gas stations closing, stealerships closing, and repair shops closing. Superchargers are popping up like weeds. In the next decade, it may be easier to find a supercharger than a gas station. Many gas stations will have to put in superchargers next to their gas stations as you are seeing at some HEBs and many Buccees.

Good luck clutching your CDs.

Was driving over the weekend and noticed there's even a Supercharger in Hamilton, Texas along 281 now. Tesla now pushing to install these in smaller towns on non-interstates is going to spread their practicality even further.

I'm a fun guy, but my list is a lot shorter than yours. It goes something like:

For free, I can

1. laugh at EV's

It really is that simple. No crash/safety/fire statistic changes the humor of it all. & their owners clamoring for others to validate their decision is rivaled only by vegans.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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I'm a fun guy, but my list is a lot shorter than yours. It goes something like:

For free, I can

1. laugh at EV's

It really is that simple. No crash/safety/fire statistic changes the humor of it all. & their owners clamoring for others to validate their decision is rivaled only by vegans.

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"i JuSt HaTe ThE mAnDaTeS"

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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I'm a fun guy, but my list is a lot shorter than yours. It goes something like:

For free, I can

1. laugh at EV's

It really is that simple. No crash/safety/fire statistic changes the humor of it all. & their owners clamoring for others to validate their decision is rivaled only by vegans.

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Yeah but his EV manifesto has so many more words.

"I love my EV"

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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"I love my EV"

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Right, it's EV drivers starting all these threads screaming from the rooftops that they are just against the mandates.

One good thing about EVs is the loss of mechanics jobs at the dealerships.

Those jack holes never want to fix anything and deny that anything is wrong for warranty work.

I won't shed a tear to see them in the unemployment line.

I'll be glad to see the finance department in the bread line as well. The **** they pull is nauseating.

So smart ass!

How am I going pull my dump trailer?
My horse trailer?
Bbq pit?
Etc

With a Tesla?

With an ICE truck since EV's are impractical for truck things.

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So smart ass!

How am I going pull my dump trailer?
My horse trailer?
Bbq pit?
Etc

With a Tesla?

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I hear ya. I get that EVs could work for urbanites, but the level of myopic self-righteousness is astounding. Clearly, EVs would not work well for rural folks. And, while it is true that hydrocarbon prices will most likely rise in the future, I think it's a bit short-sided to think that electricity will remain cheap given the unscientific regulatory pressure on traditional power generation methods, the slow-walking of nuclear power development, and the renewable energy mandates that compromise grid reliability. It doesn't matter what the price of electricity is if none is available when an EV needs to be charged. A similar argument could be made for pumping gasoline, but at least some gas stations (especially here in Florida) have generator backup for emergency conditions.

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Clearly, EVs would not work well for rural folks

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Again, this depends on the individual in question and what we define as rural.

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Clearly, EVs would not work well for rural folks

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Again, this depends on the individual in question and what we define as rural.

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Agreed. Seems like it will be a long time before heavy rural machinery that relies on ICE will be replaced with another technology. Seems like a similar situation for oceanic shipping and aviation. For urban and suburban commuters, though, the technology should work fine.

That's why I think there's a need for both ICE and EV's in the future. Trying to force either on the population is just another spork. And everything can agree that the spork sucks.

Teslag said:

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That's why I think there's a need for both ICE and EV's in the future. Trying to force either on the population is just another spork. And everything can agree that the spork sucks.

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I think that's a fair point. Can you imagine the cost of food if hydrocarbon pricing increased rapidly without a viable technology to replace heavy farm/industrial equipment and trucking? At that point, it wouldn't matter what anyone is driving if one can't afford to eat!

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That's why I think there's a need for both ICE and EV's in the future. Trying to force either on the population is just another spork. And everything can agree that the spork sucks.

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not this poster below.

Medaggie

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An Odd hill to die on especially as ICE will start become obsolete. Once the US hits 30% adoption, you will start to see gas stations closing, stealerships closing, and repair shops closing. Superchargers are popping up like weeds. In the next decade, it may be easier to find a supercharger than a gas station. Many gas stations will have to put in superchargers next to their gas stations as you are seeing at some HEBs and many Buccees.

Good luck clutching your CDs.

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