Had to double check this wasn't four seasons landscaping.

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Had to double check this wasn't four seasons landscaping.

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I have a side business painting houses.

Driving an EV 100 miles is now more expensive than an ICE.

No, not an internal evil Exxon Mobil memo, a headline at jalopnik.

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AEG founder Patrick Anderson stated, "The run-up in gas prices made EVs look like a bargain during much of 2021 and 2022. With electric prices going up and gas prices declining, drivers of traditional ICE vehicles saved a little bit of money in the last quarter of 2022."

There were several factors AEG used in determining that owning an electric vehicle was more expensive, like home charging equipment costs, road taxes and deadhead miles. ICE-powered car owners have gas purchases taxed to fund road construction and maintenance. While EV owners don't pay a gas tax, some states have introduced an additional EV registration fee to compensate.

The massive increase in the report for charging station users versus home chargers is accounted for by the deadhead miles to reach stations and the opportunity cost of waiting for vehicles to charge at stations. The difference highlights the lackluster coverage for electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the United States.

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Hint; this is the plan, long term, for BEV's. Limit the mobility of the masses.

If you say so. I have a bit of electrical training and won't do it, myself, but to each his own.

I also would note that prior to considering putting one in my driveway I'd want to make sure I had a few thousand gallons of water on hand in case this happened. I mean, I think I have enough in the pool but I wouldn't feel comfortable pushing it around and into the back yard/pool itself, particularly while engulfed in flames.

But, hey, in metro Sacramento, clearly the FD there knows how to handle this sort of stuff.

When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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Driving an EV 100 miles is now more expensive than an ICE.

No, not an internal evil Exxon Mobil memo, a headline at jalopnik.

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AEG founder Patrick Anderson stated, "The run-up in gas prices made EVs look like a bargain during much of 2021 and 2022. With electric prices going up and gas prices declining, drivers of traditional ICE vehicles saved a little bit of money in the last quarter of 2022."

There were several factors AEG used in determining that owning an electric vehicle was more expensive, like home charging equipment costs, road taxes and deadhead miles. ICE-powered car owners have gas purchases taxed to fund road construction and maintenance. While EV owners don't pay a gas tax, some states have introduced an additional EV registration fee to compensate.

The massive increase in the report for charging station users versus home chargers is accounted for by the deadhead miles to reach stations and the opportunity cost of waiting for vehicles to charge at stations. The difference highlights the lackluster coverage for electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the United States.

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Hint; this is the plan, long term, for BEV's. Limit the mobility of the masses.

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Not that you will listen, but I pay less than 10 cents per kilowatt hour to charge my car at home. About $8 to fully charge my car that has a 290 mile range. The cost of $11 per 100 miles of driving listed in that article is ridiculous.

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

Teslag said:

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

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Great, First good ag that lexicutes himself is on you.

I just want to make sure I have notes to give to your insurance carrier when your house burns down.

And quit telling people to do unsafe things. May be funny to you, but not many else.

It is perfect safe to do and I advise anyone to do whatever they feel comfortable with. It's a simple circuit and YouTube is full of videos outlining the procedure and doesn't violate any laws so it doesn't violate terms of service.

If a bunch of liberal neck beards on the Tesla forum can do it then anyone can. Well anyone capable of basic diy that is.

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

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You pull a permit?

LOL, some of us live outside municipalities...

Permits? We don't need no stinking permits!

why would any self respecting DIY guy pull a permit. especially for something that simple

fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

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lol.

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Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.
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This is in direct contradiction to your first two paragraphs. Your likelihood of killing yourself or burning down your house is is the same, well probably greater for a fan as that involves a ladder.

many jurisdictions require a permit for all of those things you listed.

TXAGGIE10 said:

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Teslag said:

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

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You pull a permit?

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Of course not

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LOL, some of us live outside municipalities...

Permits? We don't need no stinking permits!

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Yep, I live in the county. My permit is my comfort level.

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cecil77 said:

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LOL, some of us live outside municipalities...

Permits? We don't need no stinking permits!

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Yep, I live in the county. My permit is my comfort level.

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10-4, Living outside a municipality.

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

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lol.

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Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.
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This is in direct contradiction to your first two paragraphs. Your likelihood of killing yourself or burning down your house is is the same, well probably greater for a fan as that involves a ladder.

many jurisdictions require a permit for all of those things you listed.

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The irony of the PSA posted is that more people on F16 are more likely to shoot themselves by accident than kill themselves from an electrical accident. I'd wager people are much more aware of their electrical skill limitations than their ability to safely handle a fire arm

…I've never been muzzle swept by a lib.

Teslag said:

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

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Read the fine print on your Home Owners policy possibly being your own electrician is not allowed

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

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lol.

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Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.
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This is in direct contradiction to your first two paragraphs. Your likelihood of killing yourself or burning down your house is is the same, well probably greater for a fan as that involves a ladder.

many jurisdictions require a permit for all of those things you listed.

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Quite possibly the most non researched, mentally competent post I have seen in long time.

You know damn good and well you do NOT need permits when changing ceiling fan or swapping out a receptacle.

Running electrical wire in most all municipalities and in many counties will require a permit or at least a licensed electrician perform the work.

And messing with different voltages and amperages absolutely matters. You can check by sticking your tongue on a 9v battery vs into a 220 dryer plug. Let us know if it makes a difference.

TXAGGIE10 said:

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Teslag said:

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

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You pull a permit?

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He lives in the woods, no city

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Read the fine print on your Home Owners policy possibly being your own electrician is not allowed

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Insurance companies don't make laws. They only decide when they won't pay.

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Teslag said:

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

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Read the fine print on your Home Owners policy possibly being your own electrician is not allowed

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Then I'm glad I did it all to code.

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Teslag said:

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.

And I will admit to flagging Teslags post for violating the law. Whilst maybe not technically against the law in his Hundred Acre Woods, it is in most all jurisdictions.

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I have violated no law by installing my own 240v / 60 amp breaker and associated circuit in my own. And many other people wouldn't either, basically any of the millions of people living in rural areas or smaller towns in America. There are also numerous threads on the Texags home improvement board where advice is given to do many DIY things that would otherwise violate a city ordinance.

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Read the fine print on your Home Owners policy possibly being your own electrician is not allowed

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Teslag does not care. He would rather measure his electrical willy then admit having a licensed electrician to install a battery charge would be a good idea.

Not to derail, but Teslag probably doesn't pull permits for water heaters either. That may cost him next time he sells his house (or when it burns down from his do it meeself electrical work).

Kids, don't play with electricity. And never, ever listen to Teslag regarding EVs and vaccines either. Oft wrong and never self aware.

You can't shock yourself with 240 unless you grab both hots…

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Manhattan said:

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fka ftc said:

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When people post like this on a public forum, I think there should be direct legal liability for the poster giving incredibly bad and dangerous advice.

There is a reason there are codes, standards, licensing, training, permitting etc when doing such work.

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lol.

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Swapping a receptacle, switch, ceiling fan etc is drastically different then messing with high voltages and amperages and working on your own service panel is monumentally dumb unless properly trained.
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This is in direct contradiction to your first two paragraphs. Your likelihood of killing yourself or burning down your house is is the same, well probably greater for a fan as that involves a ladder.

many jurisdictions require a permit for all of those things you listed.

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The irony of the PSA posted is that more people on F16 are more likely to shoot themselves by accident than kill themselves from an electrical accident. I'd wager people are much more aware of their electrical skill limitations than their ability to safely handle a fire arm

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Kids, don't play with electricity.

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Except for ceiling fans? That have the same voltage at each terminal as an EVSE…

In the city of Houston, if you replace a receptacle, they want you to pull a permit and bring the entire circuit up to code including arc fault.

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In the city of Houston, if you replace a receptacle, they want you to pull a permit and bring the entire circuit up to code including arc fault.

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It specifically excludes fixed appliances and replacement of outlets. How do I know, well I read the code and I've probably managed more electrical work in the city of Houston then your cute little head could imagine.

No stop with the nonsense.

Well they are called receptacles, the COH addendum specially says if you replace the outlet you have to have a permit…. Idk if they changed it but the big issue with Harvey and everyone receptacle replacements was bringing the circuit up to code, which would require a permit and inspection.


But maybe they got rid of this ridiculous requirement.

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But the good news is no one is forcing you to buy an EV.

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GAC thinks he's a good spouse because he doesn't beat his husband and and kids.

You should be doing backflips for more government. It's your MO after all.

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But the good news is no one is forcing you to buy an EV.

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GAC thinks he's a good spouse because he doesn't beat his husband and and kids.

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Are you going to be ok?

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Insurance companies don't make laws. They only decide when they won't pay.

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You did not break any laws just possibly broke the contract you signed