EskimoJoe said:

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i-miss-the-republic said:

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Yet another EV Fanboi superthread.

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He was a MRNA therapeutic fanboi before he changed his username, hoping we would forget as everything he so loudly spouted was proven wrong. He is too chickenchit to admit it so he changes his user name and takes up the cause for EVs.

We will never forget his claims of safe, effective and free.

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Wow. That explains a lot.

Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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What is more important is what percentage buys a 2nd electric vehicle. I think this is more of a product of gas prices and just growing electric market options.

I own a Tesla. F climate change.

People do by EVs for reasons other than being an enviro wackos.

FDT92 said:

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I own a Tesla. F climate change.

People do by EVs for reasons other than being an enviro wackos.

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I had a Model S 2012-2018 and loved it. I got rid of it because I wanted a convertible sports car. I have no issues buying another electric if someone puts out a convertible sports car for 100k or less. Of course I would never want to be restricted to only electric as they suck for road trips.

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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Has the market had a reduction in purchases of gas powered vehicles by 1/3? Asking for a friend (and anyone with a brain).

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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No, sorry they really don't. What percent of vehicles sold are EVs? I'll hang up and listen.

EskimoJoe said:

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i-miss-the-republic said:

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Yet another EV Fanboi superthread.

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He was an experimental MRNA therapeutic fanboi before he changed his username, hoping we would forget as everything he so loudly spouted was proven wrong. He is too chickenchit to admit it so he changes his user name and takes up the cause for EVs.

We will never forget his claims of safe, effective and free.

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Yep, a Grade A coward.

KidDoc said:

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Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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What is more important is what percentage buys a 2nd electric vehicle. I think this is more of a product of gas prices and just growing electric market options.

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There is a reason they shutdown the Keystone pipeline his first day in office.

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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The White House taking credit for what Elon has done.

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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Yeah I'd trust what the market says a lot more than I would President Moron. If EV's win in the market place great. IF they win because the gov rigged the game then f'em.

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Zarathustra said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Which sources are saying this?

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Elon said it in his last interview. It seemed inefficient to him for people to own cars while only using them a fraction of the time. He said autonomous driving cars would increase their utility five fold. This means that society would only need 1/5 of the cars.

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How many things does one possess that cost a lot of money but is used occasionally.

A $20,000 outdoor kitchen?
A swimming pool (heated one at that)?
A McMansion with more rooms than you need?
A weekend car?
An Airplane?

Any number of expensive things people buy they rarely use.

One man's efficiency is another man's enjoyment.

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Yeah, because I am sure you are going to have a tough time convincing all the Ford Focus owners of the world to give up their cars for a cheaper alternative. It's easy to laugh at when it is really inconvinient for you (i.e. rural living or long regular commutes), but a lot of people live in urban environments that use their cars in 5 mi increments and pay $200+ a month just to park.

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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Sure, amigo, whatever you say. There's no government manipulation/involvement at all with the EV market. I am sure this little $2+ billion handout to the Koreans/Obamamotors is the first intrusion, despite anything I have read for the past 15 years.

The good news is that the global coal industry has been able to respond to the demand, so far. Especially China, where all of these battery materials are refined essentially via coal power.



All hail the EV market, capitalism wins! The wave of the future since 1890, as all sophisticated people have known. Some of the 100+ year old marketing stuff even looks like the same sort of drivers as Tesla's today on the DNT.

With any luck, EVs will revitalize the West Virginia economy.

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

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This is the equivalent of collecting the trash from my neighborhood, dumping it in a nearby neighborhood, and then claiming I helped cleaned up the environment.

All I did was move the trash, not get rid of it.

Batteries don't charge themselves. They don't help the environment. They just change WHERE you generate the energy.

Bubblez said:

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Since President Biden took office, electric vehicle sales in the United States have tripled. Every electric vehicle sold is a win against climate change.

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 13, 2022

There really is no turning back now. The market has spoken and people want EVs.

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Slow your roll. We are up to 5% market share for EV. 95% of the market IS NOT buying EV's. That's a far cry from the market speaking up on behalf of EV's. They are being shoved down our throats by an authoritarian government.



Electric Vehicle Sales and Market Share (US - Updated Monthly) - YAA (joinyaa.com)

"Fully-electric vehicles had 5.5% market share in Q3 2022. This is down slightly from 5.6% in Q2 2022, but up from 3.1% one year prior."

I follow this thread because I am a hybrid owner in a winter climate four months of the year. Cold requires a lot of energy: defrosting, heating the passenger compartment at a time when batteries alone are not at their most efficient. Time and time again we re-visit the same facts: if you live in a temperate climate in an urban area with short commutes and dependable infrastructure, like the Metroplex or Houston, EVs (although maybe not all American EVs) are a great for you. If you live in a box shaped western state with long highway drives between towns with some snow/blizzards thrown in, you MUST have an internal combustion engine to survive because neither battery technology nor the electrical grid are sufficiently robust to support your travels.

And that's with high gas prices.

In general BEV's are less reliable than ICE alternatives.

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We've long heard the argument that EVs should, hypothetically, be more reliable than gasoline cars as they have fewer moving parts. Think of all the valves and gears in a typical ICE drivetrain.

However, CR says, "EVs reported problems associated with battery packs, charging, electric drive motors, and unique heating and cooling systems that are required on vehicles that lack a conventional engine." It would be be interesting to know the percentage of issues associated with hardware failures versus the percentage of issues stemming from software bugs, but CR doesn't break out those numbers.

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Again, EV's have been around since 1884, so I am not sure why, outside of propaganda/narrative motivations, people think "well, it's new right now but this is going to improve rapidly over the next few years as the tech is refined." EV enthusiasm now is seemingly hitting reality; it's gonna be a bumpy ride and in 2029 ICE vehicles will still be 80 percent of the US new vehicle market.

The newest Electrify America DC chargers in Colorado had issues at around 0 degF and below. Showed as working in the app, but failed to initiate the charging after being plugged into the vehicle. The EVgo and Chargepoint chargers still worked, and the Tesla superchargers worked. More detailed info in Out of Spec Review video

Tesla owner in Virginia is forced to cancel Christmas plans because his EV wouldn't charge in arctic temperatures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11573305/Tesla-owner-Virginia-forced-cancel-Christmas-plans-EV-wouldnt-charge.html

My Jeep Trackhawk got written off Oct 2nd

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so I used the 83k payout plus some funds to buy a 2023 BMW IX M60 EV SUV that comes with 600 hp and 800 ft/lb of torque in Sport Mode.

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There's a manual volume control and various functions that can be accessed from the console.

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Chargepoint Level 2 Charger

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BMW added a fake engine noise that's pleasing but can be turned off if you don't like it.
It's louder in the 600 hp Sport Mode.
For most of the time I've been using the 500 hp regular mode for wintery mix.
The torque is instant but it's so smooth it's like missing some of the element of danger like when you let an HI Po ICE car go.
No burnouts but it does have Launch Control.
Step on the Brakes hard, step on the Accelerator then let the Brake go

I still have my Jeep SRT that's now a Procharger forged 426 with 600 hp as my other and winter car.

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I bought the BMW because it's available now and has been in production since 2021.
I didn't want to wait.
I can always trade it for another EV SUV in the future when more models are available from other Legacy Manufacturers.
The range goes from 300 miles or so at 72+F to 220 miles at 32 F.on a fully charged battery.
The battery charges at about 25 mph at 72F 20 at 32F on a Level 2 charger.
I can set it to charge after 7 pm for lower kw/h rates.
So far the cost has been about half of what it cost to fuel the Hellcat Trackhawk.

Dear diary....

Good info here, thanks for sharing. Congratulations on the new ride!

Bonus though for the ugliest front clip ever put on a vehicle, and yes that includes the Edsel and Aztec.

I agree that the front grille is Fugly and looks like a fat Couter

Yes it's 12 hrs to fully charge the battery but BMW doesn't recommend going below 10 miles
I just plug it in after 7 pm when it's down to 100 miles or less to bring it back up to 220.
It turns off the charger when it's fully charged.
It's like charging up my cell phone.
For winter if you press the transponder button down 3 times it warms up the car for 20 minutes.
They call it pre conditioning and you can schedule it if you like.
I'm older with some back issues and have less time to waste
waiting for things than college students.
I bought the Fugly Couter now because it's an available EV SUV like the Jeeps
with 800 ft/lb of torque to missile down the road.
I paid 125k by check.
Money is not an issue as I'm a 1%er.
It's a Toy for me
Maybe I'll do something like this if I keep it longer than a year.

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I like this Chevy Blazer EV but the awd 600 hp SS model for 70k is still a year away.

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https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-chevrolet-blazer-ev-first-look-review/

So, hang on, just another EV fire in a garage while charging, no big deal, seems to happen a lot, but then I got to this part of the story:

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The NBVFD urges all owners of electric vehicles to ensure they are not left unattended while charging and are inspected regularly to ensure they are in good working order.

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So how many vehicles need to be attended to continuously while charging overnight in the garage, anyway?

nortex97 said:

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So, hang on, just another EV fire in a garage while charging, no big deal, seems to happen a lot, but then I got to this part of the story:

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The NBVFD urges all owners of electric vehicles to ensure they are not left unattended while charging and are inspected regularly to ensure they are in good working order.

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So how many vehicles need to be attended to continuously while charging overnight in the garage, anyway?

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Shhhhhhhh, your not supposed to show this ….. also don't talk about the batteries replacement cost when they eventually crap out like ALL batteries do …

Keep all this quiet ..

This keeps up EVs will be band from parking garages at many places as well as home insurance increased cost or making you park them outside while charging .. nothing to see here

Red Herring.

Gas cars catch fire much more frequently than EVs

How many gas powered cars catch fire?


There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles.Oct 3, 2022

Do electric cars catch on fire more than gas cars?


Virtually all of those fires involved fuel-powered cars. That works out to about one every three minutes. Tesla claims that fuel-powered cars are about 11 times more likely to catch fire than a Tesla. It says the best comparison is fires per 1 billion miles driven.Oct 20, 2022

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The BMW IX had 80 fires when it was first produced in 2021 but that has been fixed since then.

nortex97 said:

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So, hang on, just another EV fire in a garage while charging, no big deal, seems to happen a lot, but then I got to this part of the story:

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The NBVFD urges all owners of electric vehicles to ensure they are not left unattended while charging and are inspected regularly to ensure they are in good working order.

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So how many vehicles need to be attended to continuously while charging overnight in the garage, anyway?

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Not a problem for me. I never leave my lawn unattended while it grows.

torrid said:

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nortex97 said:

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So, hang on, just another EV fire in a garage while charging, no big deal, seems to happen a lot, but then I got to this part of the story:

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The NBVFD urges all owners of electric vehicles to ensure they are not left unattended while charging and are inspected regularly to ensure they are in good working order.

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So how many vehicles need to be attended to continuously while charging overnight in the garage, anyway?

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Not a problem for me. I never leave my lawn unattended while it grows.

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I resemble this statement.