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To your point, this one made me laugh. Too long to watch it all but the TLDW version is 'charging these things is a big pain, just as buying them is.'

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even seeing them on the road is a pain

Swiss to ban use of electric cars this winter.

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Switzerland could be the first country to impose driving bans on e-cars in an emergency to ensure energy security. Several media report this unanimously and refer to a draft regulation on restrictions and bans on the use of electrical energy. Specifically, the paper says: "The private use of electric cars is only permitted for absolutely necessary journeys (e.g. professional practice, shopping, visiting the doctor, attending religious events, attending court appointments)." A stricter speed limit is also planned highways.

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Most of the electricity in Switzerland comes from hydropower. However, the country also imports electricity from Germany and France . If there are bottlenecks there, electricity could also become scarce in Switzerland. Energy security in Europe is considered endangered because of the Russian war of aggression against Ukraine .

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Switzerland has various "escalation levels" for its energy crisis. The ban on recharging electric vehicles would only go into effect when they reach level 3 according to the draft copy of the legislation that reporters obtained. Prior to that, the government would impose limits on how hot the water can be in washing machines (yes… seriously) and they would ban the use of leaf blowers and seat heaters in chair lifts. Bizarrely, they will also limit videos from streaming services to only be shown in SD resolution. (Huh?)

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And streaming high definition videos? LOL, not too surprised Swiss politicians don't really understand technology, I guess.

I am sure this won't be a problem down the road for the EU when they ban all hybrids/ICE vehicles from being sold in 2035. They will just have worked out all of the magical green energy unicorn fart kinks by them.

John Hayward thread courtesy of twitchy is worth checking out. It's long enough to be a small article though. Threadreader link.

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Spoiler alert: the endgame of the "electric vehicle revolution" is NOT the same number of people driving around, except using EVs instead of gas-fueled cars. The endgame is sharply restricting or eliminating personal transportation for the middle and lower classes.
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It's outright imperialism, especially when you look at what actually happens to the countries where our "green" visionaries are happy to unleash rapacious Chinese corporations to rip Mother Earth to shreds. Global dreams of expanding a prosperous middle class will be shattered.

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The Aptera laughs at your prediction.

Sweeden has banned them from being used this winter.. what a F ing joke these EVs are.. batteries are 30% of the cost of the car if they need replacing, they are basically only usable around the cities, they suck finding recharge stations (no long trips)... and now the governments are telling people not to use them

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FIRE... foot is bleeding and blown off

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The Aptera laughs at your prediction.

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Yea...... no!

The Aptera is licensed as a motorcycle/three-wheeler!

Talk about getting squished like a bug in that thing and I have a Europa that I would never daily.

Switzerland also just banned EVs on its roads this winter due to energy concerns.

F-150 Lightning bricked while charging. Couldn't even be put into neutral to load onto the tow truck.

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We've all had the experience of plugging our phone in and having it display an error message with some lame excuse about why it can't charge. Many of us have likely had a similar experience with an electric vehicle. However, the stakes are quite a bit higher when we're talking about the electricity needed to charge an EV. A Ford F-150 Lightning owner discovered how serious charging can be when a recent trip to an Electrify America charging station went wrong.

Eric Roe owns the F-150 Lightning and was charging in Oregon on a road trip when the incident took place. While charging the truck, Roe heard a loud boom. His truck became completely unresponsive after the sound and displayed several error messages. The truck couldn't be shifted into neutral, requiring the tow truck driver to drag it out of its charging spot.

Roe initially heard that the repair would take more than a week, but a Ford rep contacted him and escalated the issue. He later posted that the dealer needed to replace the truck's 12-volt battery before diagnosing any additional problems. The automaker is still investigating the case, and there have been no other updates since.

This is certainly a dramatic situation, but less serious charging failures are common. One of the more frequent complaints among new EV owners is that it's difficult to find working and reliable charging stations. The situation should improve with government investment and other funds, but for now, an open charger doesn't always mean a full battery.

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Pay $60-100K for a new F150, and hope it doesn't just turn into a heavy brick/fire hazard.

Can't get something for nothing. Until there are major advances in photovoltaic efficiency and batteries, fossil fuels ain't going away.

Edited to qualify my statement. Fossil fuels may diminish drastically for personal use if the govt restricts personal travel by personal means. I believe that is the real goal of world govt. Makes it easier to control the population. I think first they are going to have to eliminate personal ownership of firearms in the USA. God help my children and grandchildren.

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Can't get something for nothing. Until there are major advances in photovoltaic efficiency and batteries, fossil fuels ain't going away.

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And a massive discovery of (easily accessible) precious metals.

New neighbors from Cali. moved in on the cul-de-sac. They have a Tesla and the landlord wouldn't agree to letting them install a level 2 charger in the garage. A level 1 charger (110V outlet) gets you about 2-3 miles per charge hour. So they bought a 240 v gas generator and sit it out on the driveway and charge it early morning and late evening.......

I wonder what the economics of that inefficient conversion process are????

Pretty good for the landlord, and local diesel station.

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New neighbors from Cali. moved in on the cul-de-sac. They have a Tesla and the landlord wouldn't agree to letting them install a level 2 charger in the garage. A level 1 charger (110V outlet) gets you about 2-3 miles per charge hour. So they bought a 240 v gas generator and sit it out on the driveway and charge it early morning and late evening.......

I wonder what the economics of that inefficient conversion process are????

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Casually mention to them that a lawn mower-sized gasoline engine emits the same amount of pollution as eleven automobiles. link , and that one hour of that engine running is equivalent to driving 100 miles in a gasoline powered car. link.

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New neighbors from Cali. moved in on the cul-de-sac. They have a Tesla and the landlord wouldn't agree to letting them install a level 2 charger in the garage. A level 1 charger (110V outlet) gets you about 2-3 miles per charge hour. So they bought a 240 v gas generator and sit it out on the driveway and charge it early morning and late evening.......

I wonder what the economics of that inefficient conversion process are????

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Curious they didn't work that out before the lease agreement was signed...but also curious why the landlord wouldn't agree to the charger if the renters were paying for the install?

People who lease houses probably also lease their 100K cars, and aren't real good at planning, financially or otherwise. He did say they are from California. Did they move in time to vote for Beto?

The answer is rubber band powered cars. You have one main rubber band that you can wind up manually with a hand crank (for the super green folks) or via an electrical winder. Other smaller rubber bands are wound from the spinning of the tires as you make your journey. When the main rubber band has completely unwound, it shifts to one of the smaller rubber bands while the passengers inside the vehicle frantically crank (think of the hand cranks in the Hunley) to wind up the main rubber band. No charging stations needed, just be sure to travel with family/friends to help with the cranking.

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F-150 Lightning bricked while charging. Couldn't even be put into neutral to load onto the tow truck.

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We've all had the experience of plugging our phone in and having it display an error message with some lame excuse about why it can't charge. Many of us have likely had a similar experience with an electric vehicle. However, the stakes are quite a bit higher when we're talking about the electricity needed to charge an EV. A Ford F-150 Lightning owner discovered how serious charging can be when a recent trip to an Electrify America charging station went wrong.

Eric Roe owns the F-150 Lightning and was charging in Oregon on a road trip when the incident took place. While charging the truck, Roe heard a loud boom. His truck became completely unresponsive after the sound and displayed several error messages. The truck couldn't be shifted into neutral, requiring the tow truck driver to drag it out of its charging spot.

Roe initially heard that the repair would take more than a week, but a Ford rep contacted him and escalated the issue. He later posted that the dealer needed to replace the truck's 12-volt battery before diagnosing any additional problems. The automaker is still investigating the case, and there have been no other updates since.

This is certainly a dramatic situation, but less serious charging failures are common. One of the more frequent complaints among new EV owners is that it's difficult to find working and reliable charging stations. The situation should improve with government investment and other funds, but for now, an open charger doesn't always mean a full battery.

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Pay $60-100K for a new F150, and hope it doesn't just turn into a heavy brick/fire hazard.

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Now do ICE Rams

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nortex97 said:

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F-150 Lightning bricked while charging. Couldn't even be put into neutral to load onto the tow truck.

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We've all had the experience of plugging our phone in and having it display an error message with some lame excuse about why it can't charge. Many of us have likely had a similar experience with an electric vehicle. However, the stakes are quite a bit higher when we're talking about the electricity needed to charge an EV. A Ford F-150 Lightning owner discovered how serious charging can be when a recent trip to an Electrify America charging station went wrong.

Eric Roe owns the F-150 Lightning and was charging in Oregon on a road trip when the incident took place. While charging the truck, Roe heard a loud boom. His truck became completely unresponsive after the sound and displayed several error messages. The truck couldn't be shifted into neutral, requiring the tow truck driver to drag it out of its charging spot.

Roe initially heard that the repair would take more than a week, but a Ford rep contacted him and escalated the issue. He later posted that the dealer needed to replace the truck's 12-volt battery before diagnosing any additional problems. The automaker is still investigating the case, and there have been no other updates since.

This is certainly a dramatic situation, but less serious charging failures are common. One of the more frequent complaints among new EV owners is that it's difficult to find working and reliable charging stations. The situation should improve with government investment and other funds, but for now, an open charger doesn't always mean a full battery.

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Pay $60-100K for a new F150, and hope it doesn't just turn into a heavy brick/fire hazard.

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Now do ICE Rams

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At least they only burn 1/4 as hot and can be put out in 5 min versus several hours to weeks later.

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New neighbors from Cali. moved in on the cul-de-sac. They have a Tesla and the landlord wouldn't agree to letting them install a level 2 charger in the garage. A level 1 charger (110V outlet) gets you about 2-3 miles per charge hour. So they bought a 240 v gas generator and sit it out on the driveway and charge it early morning and late evening.......

I wonder what the economics of that inefficient conversion process are????

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I like the sentiment, but did this really happen?

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I got other stuff to think about.

That's one more thing added to the list.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.

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BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

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John Hayward thread courtesy of twitchy is worth checking out. It's long enough to be a small article though. Threadreader link.

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Spoiler alert: the endgame of the "electric vehicle revolution" is NOT the same number of people driving around, except using EVs instead of gas-fueled cars. The endgame is sharply restricting or eliminating personal transportation for the middle and lower classes.
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It's outright imperialism, especially when you look at what actually happens to the countries where our "green" visionaries are happy to unleash rapacious Chinese corporations to rip Mother Earth to shreds. Global dreams of expanding a prosperous middle class will be shattered.

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Didn't read the article yet but musk has said in his latest interview that his vision is for people to use autonomous electric vehicles as essentially permanent uber. He estimated that if everyone used autonomous vehicles as an Uber taxi - that society would only need 1/5 of the cars and people could still get everywhere they wanted to go.

That's...not gonna happen though. A smart autistic engineer might have worked out the math on travel and available transit paths for it, nominally, but American society, at least, is unready/willing to give up personal vehicles entirely. Not talking about 'f16' take either, you could post that sort of question on the auto board of this site and probably get under a 20 percent thumbs up rate.

Now, if he wants to establish rules for transportation on a martian colony...well, that I'd respect.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I got other stuff to think about.

That's one more thing added to the list.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.

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BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

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Not to mention the car does most of this thinking for you in real time

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That's...not gonna happen though. A smart autistic engineer might have worked out the math on travel and available transit paths for it, nominally, but American society, at least, is unready/willing to give up personal vehicles entirely. Not talking about 'f16' take either, you could post that sort of question on the auto board of this site and probably get under a 20 percent thumbs up rate.

Now, if he wants to establish rules for transportation on a martian colony...well, that I'd respect.

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It could easily happen. In fact, I think that's why the globalist powers that be are still pumping money into evs.

All you need to implement is make the price of vehicles too expensive for the average person to buy. Put in the right incentives and it becomes much cheaper to use an autonomous car. Then get the corporate press to write nothing but puff pieces about how much money it saves and you'll start to see a trend. For a lot of people, it will be a big Improvement at first with the government slowly putting the clamps on gas vehicles.

Before you know it, a good portion of the population won't have a choice.

Which sources are saying this?

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I got other stuff to think about.

That's one more thing added to the list.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.

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BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

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Not to mention the car does most of this thinking for you in real time

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Yep. Many times I have done the Katy to Lake Livingston to Waco and back to Katy in a day.

20 minutes stop in Madisonville or Centerville for lunch and a supercharge. 20-25 minute for a supercharge in Waco (right around dinner time).

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Which sources are saying this?

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Elon said it in his last interview. It seemed inefficient to him for people to own cars while only using them a fraction of the time. He said autonomous driving cars would increase their utility five fold. This means that society would only need 1/5 of the cars.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Which sources are saying this?

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Elon said it in his last interview. It seemed inefficient to him for people to own cars while only using them a fraction of the time. He said autonomous driving cars would increase their utility five fold. This means that society would only need 1/5 of the cars.

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How many things does one possess that cost a lot of money but is used occasionally.

A $20,000 outdoor kitchen?
A swimming pool (heated one at that)?
A McMansion with more rooms than you need?
A weekend car?
An Airplane?

Any number of expensive things people buy they rarely use.

One man's efficiency is another man's enjoyment.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I got other stuff to think about.

That's one more thing added to the list.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.

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BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

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Not to mention the car does most of this thinking for you in real time

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Yep. Many times I have done the Katy to Lake Livingston to Waco and back to Katy in a day.

20 minutes stop in Madisonville or Centerville for lunch and a supercharge. 20-25 minute for a supercharge in Waco (right around dinner time).

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Yeah, but what if you are fasting?

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I got other stuff to think about.

That's one more thing added to the list.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.

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BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

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I know how long it takes to fill up the gas tank and how much it costs.

With a level 1 charger? A couple years.

The practical/real world limitations…of BEV's are going to be more widely known over the coming years.



"7 miles of range, to go 2 miles. Alright, 10 miles into this trip, and we have used 22 miles of range."

LOL. At least global warming will hopefully mean BEV's work a little better.

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FDT92 said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I got other stuff to think about.

That's one more thing added to the list.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.

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BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.

Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?

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Not to mention the car does most of this thinking for you in real time

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Yep. Many times I have done the Katy to Lake Livingston to Waco and back to Katy in a day.

20 minutes stop in Madisonville or Centerville for lunch and a supercharge. 20-25 minute for a supercharge in Waco (right around dinner time).

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I can make that complete trip and the leg to Lake Livingston again on one tank of gas in my truck. If I do need to stop for fuel, it takes 5 minutes and I'm on the road again. Have to take bathroom breaks anyway.

It's great that you enjoy taking stops along the way on your day trips, so the ev works well for you.

Yet another EV Fanboi superthread.

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Yet another EV Fanboi superthread.

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He was an experimental MRNA therapeutic fanboi before he changed his username, hoping we would forget as everything he so loudly spouted was proven wrong. He is too chickenchit to admit it so he changes his user name and takes up the cause for EVs.

We will never forget his claims of safe, effective and free.