nortex97 said:
To your point, this one made me laugh. Too long to watch it all but the TLDW version is 'charging these things is a big pain, just as buying them is.'
even seeing them on the road is a pain
nortex97 said:
To your point, this one made me laugh. Too long to watch it all but the TLDW version is 'charging these things is a big pain, just as buying them is.'
And streaming high definition videos? LOL, not too surprised Swiss politicians don't really understand technology, I guess.Quote:Quote:
Switzerland could be the first country to impose driving bans on e-cars in an emergency to ensure energy security. Several media report this unanimously and refer to a draft regulation on restrictions and bans on the use of electrical energy. Specifically, the paper says: "The private use of electric cars is only permitted for absolutely necessary journeys (e.g. professional practice, shopping, visiting the doctor, attending religious events, attending court appointments)." A stricter speed limit is also planned highways.Switzerland has various "escalation levels" for its energy crisis. The ban on recharging electric vehicles would only go into effect when they reach level 3 according to the draft copy of the legislation that reporters obtained. Prior to that, the government would impose limits on how hot the water can be in washing machines (yes… seriously) and they would ban the use of leaf blowers and seat heaters in chair lifts. Bizarrely, they will also limit videos from streaming services to only be shown in SD resolution. (Huh?)Quote:
Most of the electricity in Switzerland comes from hydropower. However, the country also imports electricity from Germany and France . If there are bottlenecks there, electricity could also become scarce in Switzerland. Energy security in Europe is considered endangered because of the Russian war of aggression against Ukraine .
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Spoiler alert: the endgame of the "electric vehicle revolution" is NOT the same number of people driving around, except using EVs instead of gas-fueled cars. The endgame is sharply restricting or eliminating personal transportation for the middle and lower classes.
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It's outright imperialism, especially when you look at what actually happens to the countries where our "green" visionaries are happy to unleash rapacious Chinese corporations to rip Mother Earth to shreds. Global dreams of expanding a prosperous middle class will be shattered.
Yea...... no!Manhattan said:
The Aptera laughs at your prediction.
Pay $60-100K for a new F150, and hope it doesn't just turn into a heavy brick/fire hazard.Quote:
We've all had the experience of plugging our phone in and having it display an error message with some lame excuse about why it can't charge. Many of us have likely had a similar experience with an electric vehicle. However, the stakes are quite a bit higher when we're talking about the electricity needed to charge an EV. A Ford F-150 Lightning owner discovered how serious charging can be when a recent trip to an Electrify America charging station went wrong.
Eric Roe owns the F-150 Lightning and was charging in Oregon on a road trip when the incident took place. While charging the truck, Roe heard a loud boom. His truck became completely unresponsive after the sound and displayed several error messages. The truck couldn't be shifted into neutral, requiring the tow truck driver to drag it out of its charging spot.
Roe initially heard that the repair would take more than a week, but a Ford rep contacted him and escalated the issue. He later posted that the dealer needed to replace the truck's 12-volt battery before diagnosing any additional problems. The automaker is still investigating the case, and there have been no other updates since.
This is certainly a dramatic situation, but less serious charging failures are common. One of the more frequent complaints among new EV owners is that it's difficult to find working and reliable charging stations. The situation should improve with government investment and other funds, but for now, an open charger doesn't always mean a full battery.
And a massive discovery of (easily accessible) precious metals.MagnumLoad said:
Can't get something for nothing. Until there are major advances in photovoltaic efficiency and batteries, fossil fuels ain't going away.
Casually mention to them that a lawn mower-sized gasoline engine emits the same amount of pollution as eleven automobiles. link , and that one hour of that engine running is equivalent to driving 100 miles in a gasoline powered car. link.Lone Stranger said:
New neighbors from Cali. moved in on the cul-de-sac. They have a Tesla and the landlord wouldn't agree to letting them install a level 2 charger in the garage. A level 1 charger (110V outlet) gets you about 2-3 miles per charge hour. So they bought a 240 v gas generator and sit it out on the driveway and charge it early morning and late evening.......
I wonder what the economics of that inefficient conversion process are????
Curious they didn't work that out before the lease agreement was signed...but also curious why the landlord wouldn't agree to the charger if the renters were paying for the install?Lone Stranger said:
New neighbors from Cali. moved in on the cul-de-sac. They have a Tesla and the landlord wouldn't agree to letting them install a level 2 charger in the garage. A level 1 charger (110V outlet) gets you about 2-3 miles per charge hour. So they bought a 240 v gas generator and sit it out on the driveway and charge it early morning and late evening.......
I wonder what the economics of that inefficient conversion process are????
nortex97 said:
F-150 Lightning bricked while charging. Couldn't even be put into neutral to load onto the tow truck.Pay $60-100K for a new F150, and hope it doesn't just turn into a heavy brick/fire hazard.Quote:
We've all had the experience of plugging our phone in and having it display an error message with some lame excuse about why it can't charge. Many of us have likely had a similar experience with an electric vehicle. However, the stakes are quite a bit higher when we're talking about the electricity needed to charge an EV. A Ford F-150 Lightning owner discovered how serious charging can be when a recent trip to an Electrify America charging station went wrong.
Eric Roe owns the F-150 Lightning and was charging in Oregon on a road trip when the incident took place. While charging the truck, Roe heard a loud boom. His truck became completely unresponsive after the sound and displayed several error messages. The truck couldn't be shifted into neutral, requiring the tow truck driver to drag it out of its charging spot.
Roe initially heard that the repair would take more than a week, but a Ford rep contacted him and escalated the issue. He later posted that the dealer needed to replace the truck's 12-volt battery before diagnosing any additional problems. The automaker is still investigating the case, and there have been no other updates since.
This is certainly a dramatic situation, but less serious charging failures are common. One of the more frequent complaints among new EV owners is that it's difficult to find working and reliable charging stations. The situation should improve with government investment and other funds, but for now, an open charger doesn't always mean a full battery.
Teslag said:nortex97 said:
F-150 Lightning bricked while charging. Couldn't even be put into neutral to load onto the tow truck.Pay $60-100K for a new F150, and hope it doesn't just turn into a heavy brick/fire hazard.Quote:
We've all had the experience of plugging our phone in and having it display an error message with some lame excuse about why it can't charge. Many of us have likely had a similar experience with an electric vehicle. However, the stakes are quite a bit higher when we're talking about the electricity needed to charge an EV. A Ford F-150 Lightning owner discovered how serious charging can be when a recent trip to an Electrify America charging station went wrong.
Eric Roe owns the F-150 Lightning and was charging in Oregon on a road trip when the incident took place. While charging the truck, Roe heard a loud boom. His truck became completely unresponsive after the sound and displayed several error messages. The truck couldn't be shifted into neutral, requiring the tow truck driver to drag it out of its charging spot.
Roe initially heard that the repair would take more than a week, but a Ford rep contacted him and escalated the issue. He later posted that the dealer needed to replace the truck's 12-volt battery before diagnosing any additional problems. The automaker is still investigating the case, and there have been no other updates since.
This is certainly a dramatic situation, but less serious charging failures are common. One of the more frequent complaints among new EV owners is that it's difficult to find working and reliable charging stations. The situation should improve with government investment and other funds, but for now, an open charger doesn't always mean a full battery.
Now do ICE Rams
I like the sentiment, but did this really happen?Lone Stranger said:
New neighbors from Cali. moved in on the cul-de-sac. They have a Tesla and the landlord wouldn't agree to letting them install a level 2 charger in the garage. A level 1 charger (110V outlet) gets you about 2-3 miles per charge hour. So they bought a 240 v gas generator and sit it out on the driveway and charge it early morning and late evening.......
I wonder what the economics of that inefficient conversion process are????
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I got other stuff to think about.
That's one more thing added to the list.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.
nortex97 said:
John Hayward thread courtesy of twitchy is worth checking out. It's long enough to be a small article though. Threadreader link.Quote:
Spoiler alert: the endgame of the "electric vehicle revolution" is NOT the same number of people driving around, except using EVs instead of gas-fueled cars. The endgame is sharply restricting or eliminating personal transportation for the middle and lower classes.
...
It's outright imperialism, especially when you look at what actually happens to the countries where our "green" visionaries are happy to unleash rapacious Chinese corporations to rip Mother Earth to shreds. Global dreams of expanding a prosperous middle class will be shattered.
FDT92 said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I got other stuff to think about.
That's one more thing added to the list.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.
BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
nortex97 said:
That's...not gonna happen though. A smart autistic engineer might have worked out the math on travel and available transit paths for it, nominally, but American society, at least, is unready/willing to give up personal vehicles entirely. Not talking about 'f16' take either, you could post that sort of question on the auto board of this site and probably get under a 20 percent thumbs up rate.
Now, if he wants to establish rules for transportation on a martian colony...well, that I'd respect.
Yep. Many times I have done the Katy to Lake Livingston to Waco and back to Katy in a day.Teslag said:FDT92 said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I got other stuff to think about.
That's one more thing added to the list.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.
BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
Not to mention the car does most of this thinking for you in real time
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Which sources are saying this?
How many things does one possess that cost a lot of money but is used occasionally.Zarathustra said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
Which sources are saying this?
Elon said it in his last interview. It seemed inefficient to him for people to own cars while only using them a fraction of the time. He said autonomous driving cars would increase their utility five fold. This means that society would only need 1/5 of the cars.
Yeah, but what if you are fasting?FDT92 said:Yep. Many times I have done the Katy to Lake Livingston to Waco and back to Katy in a day.Teslag said:FDT92 said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I got other stuff to think about.
That's one more thing added to the list.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.
BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
Not to mention the car does most of this thinking for you in real time
20 minutes stop in Madisonville or Centerville for lunch and a supercharge. 20-25 minute for a supercharge in Waco (right around dinner time).
I know how long it takes to fill up the gas tank and how much it costs.FDT92 said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I got other stuff to think about.
That's one more thing added to the list.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.
BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
FDT92 said:Yep. Many times I have done the Katy to Lake Livingston to Waco and back to Katy in a day.Teslag said:FDT92 said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I got other stuff to think about.
That's one more thing added to the list.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for a charge? How long will charging take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
I'll pay high gas prices not to have to think about those things.
BS. You think about each of those things for ICE vehicles too.
Can you make it? Will you have to stop for gas? How long will tanking up take? And will I be on time for wherever I'm going?
Not to mention the car does most of this thinking for you in real time
20 minutes stop in Madisonville or Centerville for lunch and a supercharge. 20-25 minute for a supercharge in Waco (right around dinner time).
i-miss-the-republic said:
Yet another EV Fanboi superthread.