This is why I have horses.

Troubles, they are mounting.

https://mashable.com/article/tesla-lawsuit-range-predictions

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A group of Tesla owners has sued Elon Musk's car company, claiming it had exaggerated the range capability of its vehicles.

This is not an unexpected development, considering a Reuters investigation found that Tesla had exaggerated its vehicles' range and had worked to suppress customer complaints to that effect. The report alleged that Teslas would, at first, show a "rosy" estimate of how far the car would go on the charge then change to a more accurate picture once the battery hit 50 percent. This became such an issue that Tesla reportedly created a diversion team that specialized in canceling maintenance appointments for customers who feared their battery was faulty.

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Deaths of miners continue to mount in Indonesia.

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Under the Belt and Road policy, Chinese companies developed ports and roads into Morowali to secure nickel supply, while Indonesian President Joko Widodo, keen to display the country's business-friendly reforms and wring value out of its mineral reserves, leaped at the chance to sign foreign investment agreements. Nickel production in Indonesia more than doubledbetween 2020 and 2022 to 1.6 million tonnes more than 48% of the world's entire supply.

This growth, however, has trumped safety. Between 2015 and 2022, Indonesian energy nonprofit Trend Asia counted 47 workplace-related deaths and 76 injuries across various nickel-mining sites in the country not including the 10 Chinese workers who died of suspected suicide. Many of these incidents occurred in Indonesia Morowali Industrial Park, a vast joint venture with China's Tsingshan Holding Group where 18 companies operate over 4,000 hectares, powered by around 71,000 Indonesian and 11,000 foreign workers. President Jokowi aims to turn the industrial park into the "world's epicenter for nickel production."

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Congo.

Greenies won't let Americans mine lithium in Maine, despite needing to grow lithium production 10 fold by 2040:

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Now, the Freemans want to expand this pit, near the town of Newry, Maine, so they can mine spodumene, crystals that contain the lithium the U.S. needs for the clean energy transition. The timing of their discovery, in what has been named Plumbago North, is remarkable; the Freemans have stumbled across one of the only hard-rock sources of lithium in the U.S. at a time when the material is desperately needed for the clean energy transition. By 2040, the world will need at least 1.1 million metric tons of lithium annually, more than ten times what it currently produces, according to projections by the International Energy Agency. Should the Maine deposit be mined, it could be worth as much as $1.5 billion, a huge windfall for the Freemans and a boon to the Biden Administration's efforts to jumpstart more domestic mining, processing, and recycling of critical minerals such as lithium, cobalt, and rare earth elements to reduce the U.S.' dependence on China. This is one of the few lithium deposits in the U.S. currently found in hard rock, which means it is higher-quality and faster to process than lithium mined from brine.

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The suit, though it has three named plaintiffs, is a class-action suit seeking to represent all people in California who purchased a Tesla Model 3, Model S, Model Y, or Model X.

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Teslag said:

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A bailout for everyone but Tesla of course

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That's because they know they are about to get close to $100 billion from the USG. Telsa has also taken money from the government in several other forms.

Saying that Tesla hasn't taken money from the government in one form or another is a lie

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it's what this poster does, all the time. Ignore them.

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The suit, though it has three named plaintiffs, is a class-action suit seeking to represent all people in California who purchased a Tesla Model 3, Model S, Model Y, or Model X.

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Typical of a class action.

Technology doesn't stagnate.

0-80% charge in 6 minutes, twice the energy density gravimetric and double the volumetric density.

Even setting aside the politics of how this empowers china and supports horrible environmental impacts…the implementation of a 'transition to EV's' en masse is going to be an utter disaster.

EV - The U.K. Government is legally committed to ban the sale of new fuel cars from 2030. You would think such a huge societal change would be intricately planned.

300,000 charging points would be needed, yet there are

▪️16,000 street chargers
▪️45,737 public chargers, 69% in… pic.twitter.com/FNSEQuHiTT

— Bernie's Tweets (@BernieSpofforth) August 15, 2023

Note: most Euro's don't have as many garages as we do, not that I'd want to charge an EV in my primary residence overnight. Nothing about our electric grid/power generation and transmission systems over the past 20+ years makes me comfortable this is something I want to rely on moreso for basic transportation.

I was told you could just unplug your coffee maker and plug in your EV and be charged up.

No worries about the inner city workers and street charging, those people will just be transported on electric busses. I hear they are just about ready for prime time.

And it's not just EV's, the other fantasy the gov't wants to push past/despite the laws of physics are how great hydrogen cars will be.

Oh, here's a story of one such economy car Hyundai racking up a repair bill of $115K. But hey, trust them, it's gonna be great, just water vapor emissions! Technological marvels, they say.

Meanwhile, back to purely coincidental politics, China is about to be the world's largest car exporter. There is no truth to the risk of electrical fires with EV's, none.

Sigh…

If I had $2.4 million to spend on the car…I admit the Lotus Evija would be fun as hell:

https://www.lotuscars.com/en-GB/evija

4 electric motors giving you 2000 HP…can go 0-60 mph in 3 seconds…battery recharge in 12 minutes. And those electric motors quiet as a mouse as you hit 200 mph and beyond.

Just watch a YouTube on one of those babies, and tell me that don't look fun. Only 130 made and sold them all. Rich folks toy.

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If I had $2.4 million to spend on the car…I admit the Lotus Evija would be fun as hell:

https://www.lotuscars.com/en-GB/evija

4 electric motors giving you 2000 HP…can go 0-60 mph in 3 seconds…battery recharge in 12 minutes. And those electric motors quiet as a mouse as you hit 200 mph and beyond.

Just watch a YouTube on one of those babies, and tell me that don't look fun. Only 130 made and sold them all. Rich folks toy.

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I've had one Lotus and I'd love to get the new Emira. 2.4 million for the Evija might be a tad out of my market though.

Joe Biden today: "When I think climate, I think jobs"

Reality...

Stellantis lays off 1,350 workers due to EV costs

Ford lays off 1,000 employees due to EV costs pic.twitter.com/LGLblN0SyC

— Daniel Turner (@DanielTurnerPTF) August 15, 2023

He means government jobs. Have to regulate your foot print and make up more green stuff to measure and report and enforce. Socialists don't care about real industry jobs.

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The suit, though it has three named plaintiffs, is a class-action suit seeking to represent all people in California who purchased a Tesla Model 3, Model S, Model Y, or Model X.

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Typical of a class action.

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Where is the class action for my Corvette and the one for my Sienna? Neither one of them get the mileage that was advertised either. now that I think of it, I have never had a car get the EPA rated mileage.

I have an EV. Like it.

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I have an EV. Like it.

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Good luck!

I have hundreds of gallons of gas. With Staibil. More to come, too.

You have that?

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JayM said:

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I have an EV. Like it.

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Good luck!

I have hundreds of gallons of gas. With Staibil. More to come, too.

You have that?

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congrats...you have gas good for a year. long term planning eh?

Funny how EV ownership has become political. I have a turbocharged Acura as a backup.

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Funny how EV ownership has become political. I have a turbocharged Acura as a backup.

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Guess which side made it political. Real "funny."

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Funny how EV ownership has become political. I have a turbocharged Acura as a backup.

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I have a Tesla as my main work vehicle...I also drive a Z71 tahoe and it pulls my 22 ft Boston Whaler with a 2 stroke 175hp Yamaha on the back. I love when I'm called a "tree hugger".....makes me laugh! I also have my CHL....and always carry when I travel from city to city in my Tesla.....but yeah....people try to equate cars with politics (dumb people I should add).

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Funny how EV ownership has become political. I have a turbocharged Acura as a backup.

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Yeah, both sides.

Most Tesla owners I know are conservative and purchased it for some combination of the ludicrous acceleration, safety, or cool technology. I don't know anyone that thinks they are saving the planet and hate mandates that everyone should have to buy one. I am sure if I lived on the West Coast, it would be different but in this part of the country have either a truck, sports car or SUV as their second family car.

Is it time to ban EV's? Good question, glad it is being asked.

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The New York Fire Department recently reported that so far this year there have been 108 lithium-ion battery fires in New York City, which have injured 66 people and killed 13. According to FDNY Commissioner Laura Kavanagh, "There is not a small amount of fire, it (the vehicle) literally explodes." The resulting fire is "very difficult to extinguish and so it is particularly dangerous."

Last year there were more than 200 fires from batteries from e-bikes, EVs and other devices.

A fire ignited at an e-bike shop and killed four people near midnight on the morning of June 20. Two individuals were left in critical condition. The fire commissioner has warned New Yorkers that such devices could be very dangerous and typically explode in such a way that renders escape impossible.

FDNY also reports that in just three years, lithium-ion battery fires have surpassed those started by cooking and smoking as the most common causes of fatal fires in New York City. It's happening all over the country as these blazes have become commonplace. Cars and e-bikes are randomly blowing up in driveways and garages.

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Even though we warned them a lot of off-road equipment users (construction, mining, O&G) do not like the cost of replacement parts like chargers and DC/DC converters. Its not like replacing a $500 alternator

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Funny how EV ownership has become political. I have a turbocharged Acura as a backup.

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Yeah, both sides.

Most Tesla owners I know are conservative and purchased it for some combination of the ludicrous acceleration, safety, or cool technology. I don't know anyone that thinks they are saving the planet and hate mandates that everyone should have to buy one. I am sure if I lived on the West Coast, it would be different but in this part of the country have either a truck, sports car or SUV as their second family car.

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Amen

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Is it time to ban EV's? Good question, glad it is being asked.

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The New York Fire Department recently reported that so far this year there have been 108 lithium-ion battery fires in New York City, which have injured 66 people and killed 13. According to FDNY Commissioner Laura Kavanagh, "There is not a small amount of fire, it (the vehicle) literally explodes." The resulting fire is "very difficult to extinguish and so it is particularly dangerous."

Last year there were more than 200 fires from batteries from e-bikes, EVs and other devices.

A fire ignited at an e-bike shop and killed four people near midnight on the morning of June 20. Two individuals were left in critical condition. The fire commissioner has warned New Yorkers that such devices could be very dangerous and typically explode in such a way that renders escape impossible.

FDNY also reports that in just three years, lithium-ion battery fires have surpassed those started by cooking and smoking as the most common causes of fatal fires in New York City. It's happening all over the country as these blazes have become commonplace. Cars and e-bikes are randomly blowing up in driveways and garages.

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Dense urban populations don't need to be charging potential fire bombs.

I see a lot of Teslas out there. I've never seen one on fire.

My wife just bought an Audi Q4 e-tron. Great car.

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The suit, though it has three named plaintiffs, is a class-action suit seeking to represent all people in California who purchased a Tesla Model 3, Model S, Model Y, or Model X.

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Where is the class action for my Corvette and the one for my Sienna? Neither one of them get the mileage that was advertised either. now that I think of it, I have never had a car get the EPA rated mileage.

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Tesla's ranges are based on EPA calculations/tests/whatever, just like every other car. They need to sue the EPA.

I have a Lightning.

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Is it time to ban EV's? Good question, glad it is being asked.

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The New York Fire Department recently reported that so far this year there have been 108 lithium-ion battery fires in New York City, which have injured 66 people and killed 13. According to FDNY Commissioner Laura Kavanagh, "There is not a small amount of fire, it (the vehicle) literally explodes." The resulting fire is "very difficult to extinguish and so it is particularly dangerous."

Last year there were more than 200 fires from batteries from e-bikes, EVs and other devices.

A fire ignited at an e-bike shop and killed four people near midnight on the morning of June 20. Two individuals were left in critical condition. The fire commissioner has warned New Yorkers that such devices could be very dangerous and typically explode in such a way that renders escape impossible.

FDNY also reports that in just three years, lithium-ion battery fires have surpassed those started by cooking and smoking as the most common causes of fatal fires in New York City. It's happening all over the country as these blazes have become commonplace. Cars and e-bikes are randomly blowing up in driveways and garages.

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Dense urban populations don't need to be charging potential fire bombs.

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Did you see where these were e-bike fires? I assume you would ban them, cell phones, tablets and laptops since those don't have the battery management systems that EVs have.

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I have an EV. Like it.

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Good luck!

I have hundreds of gallons of gas. With Staibil. More to come, too.

You have that?

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Why? Prepping for what?

This staunch conservative cannot wait to get a cyber truck.