I didn't read any articles about them laying off the team (wasn't interested) but my first thought, they needed a scorched earth reboot of their Super Charger team.

tk for tu juan said:

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The video of the range test and charging (was in Germany)

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Porsche giving 300 miles of distance at 70mph. Not bad for a car like that. And it was insanely quiet, which was a nice surprise.

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Why is Porsche using Turbo in the name for an EV?

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You didn't know?

My old NES controller. Think Porsche just wants the petrolheads like me to know which Taycan is the faster one

That was my impression when they announced layoffs. Toss a grenade in, see what breaks, pivot strategy to more widespread partnerships with retail locations rather than site by site negotiations.

The majority of people laid off appear to be project managers making sure they acquire the land and usher the project to completion, which isn't exactly a job that's hard to hire for.

NEWS: Tesla has reportedly begun hiring back some of its Supercharging team, according to @Bloomberg.

“Chief among the personnel who have returned is Max de Zegher, the director of charging for North America.” - Bloomberg https://t.co/k6zfRMOJhI

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) May 13, 2024

The obsession here is crazy to me. Every bad news gets posted like its true without context. Many companies do what Tesla does and no peep. Tesla does something similar and the sky is falling. Musk likes to clean house when he sees that they are lagging to get them focused. Everyone has their speculation, but to just jump to conclusion that Supercharging/EV/Tesla is a failure is reaching.

Anyone who reads the car ratings rags has no clue that they are all completely biased. I have read EV reviews and the top 10 doesn't even have Tesla when they are by far the most popular car. I have seen the Jaguar EV ahead of them and they are not even being made anymore. Its like having the top 10 basketball player ever not having Jordan or James, it just reeks of bias.

Some of you guys sound like Biden. Showing up for an EV presentation with Ford/GM/Stellanits and saying they are leading the EV revolution and all 3 CEOs with the fake smiles knowing that its just a publicity stunt.

Most of these EV criticism would be more apt to other EV makers because they all have major faults but to single out Tesla without mentioning the other money losing/close to bankrupt EV makers just reeks of ignorant bias.

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That's cute. Wake me up when it's 0-100% in 3 minutes and available at just about every major intersection.

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Wake me up when every house has a gas pump.

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if I could put a gas station in your garage that would pump gas at $1/gallon and have you at 280 mile of range with the caveat that you would have to go to pump gas taking 30 minutes to get 80% range if you ever need to go over 280 miles in a day. Would you think this is a bad deal?

I know most of my friends with ICE cars would jump at this deal.

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if I could put a gas station in your garage that would pump gas at $1/gallon and have you at 280 mile of range with the caveat that you would have to go to pump gas taking 30 minutes to get 80% range if you ever need to go over 280 miles in a day.

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Reading this sentence made my head hurt.

Well, considering Trump had gas in the $2 range and the only reason it's as high as it is now is because Biden is actively working to make it more expensive…no and hell no. I would not take that deal.

Requiring a 30 minute charge to 80% makes you tied ball and chain to your house every night. I prefer my freedom to travel without worrying about running out of fuel.

Fair enough. From my POV, you would have to drag my Tesla out of my hands if you want to make me use an ICE as my daily driver. I could not imagine having to pump gas every week, go get an oil change every 3 months, brakes every 2 years, timing belts, fluids for the great benefits of paying 3x for gas. Not to mention having a similarly priced car driving slow as molasses using 5-10 yr old Tech.

I get some people still like flip phones, more power to you

I can get an oil change in the time it takes for you to fill your car to 80%...and only have to do that once every 3 months. Maybe 6 depending on the type of oil.

I'll take my ability to drive wherever I want and any day I want over your 0-60 speed.

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Bubblez said:

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Philip J Fry said:

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That's cute. Wake me up when it's 0-100% in 3 minutes and available at just about every major intersection.

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Wake me up when every house has a gas pump.

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if I could put a gas station in your garage that would pump gas at $1/gallon and have you at 280 mile of range with the caveat that you would have to go to pump gas taking 30 minutes to get 80% range if you ever need to go over 280 miles in a day. Would you think this is a bad deal?

I know most of my friends with ICE cars would jump at this deal.

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You stumbled upon a point, actually. Gas stations have incredibly complex/detailed safety standards/requirements, which is part of the reason I don't want a tank/station under my house/in my home (let alone the risk of thermal run away a huge lithium battery vehicle represents). It's much safer/convenient to handle that remotely once a week etc. This is the model that works best for the overwhelming majority of the public.

But for democrats and forever wars we'd have something close to one dollar gas, and fewer absurd nanny devices on our vehicles or add-on costs like grill shutters etc.

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Well, considering Trump had gas in the $2 range and the only reason it's as high as it is now is because Biden is actively working to make it more expensive…no and hell no. I would not take that deal.

Requiring a 30 minute charge to 80% makes you tied ball and chain to your house every night. I prefer my freedom to travel without worrying about running out of fuel.

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If it's a daily driver why does it matter how long it takes to charge at home?

I just hit 20,000 miles in my EV in just under 2 years.

My house or garage have not caught on fire.
My car has not caught on fire.
I've had zero mechanical or electrical issues.
My tires look brand new.
My brake disks look brand new.
I have not spent a single second at a Dealer/Jiffy Lube/Tire store for any form of maintenance.
I have not spent a single second at a public charger.
My home electricity costs 10 cents a kWh, and not that I care, but it comes from hydroelectric power.

I guess my car must be some unicorn sent from heaven according to all the haters on this thread.

In my ICE vehicle, I just went from empty to completely full in 3 minutes this morning.

I also drove 500+ miles last weekend without having to stop for more than 5 minutes (with about 500 lbs of gear in the back).

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Philip J Fry said:

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Well, considering Trump had gas in the $2 range and the only reason it's as high as it is now is because Biden is actively working to make it more expensive…no and hell no. I would not take that deal.

Requiring a 30 minute charge to 80% makes you tied ball and chain to your house every night. I prefer my freedom to travel without worrying about running out of fuel.

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If it's a daily driver why does it matter how long it takes to charge at home?

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What if I can't park it in my garage?

Because the GF gets one half of it and my golf cart and a **** ton of useless **** gets the other...

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10K miles/year

That's so cute...

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10K miles/year

That's so cute...

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Why is that cute? I fail to see the awesome buuuuuurn.

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Teslag said:

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Well, considering Trump had gas in the $2 range and the only reason it's as high as it is now is because Biden is actively working to make it more expensive…no and hell no. I would not take that deal.

Requiring a 30 minute charge to 80% makes you tied ball and chain to your house every night. I prefer my freedom to travel without worrying about running out of fuel.

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If it's a daily driver why does it matter how long it takes to charge at home?

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What if I can't park it in my garage?

Because the GF gets one half of it and my golf cart and a **** ton of useless **** gets the other...

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Then you clearly don't wear the pants in your relationship and no car will help you out…. I assume you have a minivan to help haul your GF's stuff around.

Daily driver is code for having a backup car that runs on dinosaurs right?

I do have a 3/4 ton diesel in addition to the Tesla, yes.

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Daily driver is code for having a backup car that runs on dinosaurs right?

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Is that supposed to be a bad thing? I'm confused.

You could use that 3/4 diesel truck as a daily driver, though not exactly fit for purpose.

You can put your charger on the outside of your garage on the side all your stuff is in..what's the problem?

EV owners really confuse me.

If my backup car fills every need I have, why would I go buy a primary car that I can only use during the week?

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Daily driver is code for having a backup car that runs on dinosaurs right?

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Yes.

My daily driver is now a Rivian. It's great. and at 12c/kwh at home and nearly 3 miles/kw vs over $3/gal for unleaded locally and about 19.8 mpg on my previous vehicle (F150), it should be significantly cheaper for fuel and maintenance.

Obviously, if we could only afford one vehicle for the household, or if my daily commute was so long that I would have to recharge publicly often, or if it was really important that we take long cross-country road trips and couldn't afford to rent vehicles or fly for our trips, or if I had to tow my boat really far often, then the Rivian would not be our only vehicle. ...but that's why I bought a yukon denali two years ago as my wife's daily driver mom car anyway- just in case.

I like them both -a lot. i think the yukon only has a 22 gal tank and doesn't get good mpg - maybe 16 mpg. so maybe 350 miles on a full tank that took less than 10 minutes to fill up at the station. a full rivian charge should get me about 320 miles - so not much different. Just had to plug in the rivian in my driveway at night vs stop at shell or exxon.

Not what that study said. It was about number of interactions with tTesla and whether they slanted positively or negatively. Meaning inclusive of conversations with friends and family.

A Tesla owner is exposed to all the same negative information that you are. The difference is that also includes personal interactions about the car. "How do you like your car?" "I love it!" Is a counter balancing force to news articles that are disproportionately likely to be negative unless there is something genuinely positive to say, and the auto market is not in a positive news cycle now. They are also more likely to seek out information about the future of the company/car rather than the present/recent past.

It's a difference in familiarity and doesn't say anything about whether they are right to like their car, or whether you are delusional in your skepticism of EVs.

Most families are multi-vehicle households already. Every car ends up being a daily driver, with the EV being far more efficient and cost effective for that purpose. The ICE gets put into use for the rare occasions of a very long road trip, away from the major highways and population centers to handle the case that the EV isn't as strong at the moment.

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EV owners really confuse me.

If my backup car fills every need I have, why would I go buy a primary car that I can only use during the week?

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So you can hang out with the cool crowd and save the planet.

Philip J Fry said:

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EV owners really confuse me.

If my backup car fills every need I have, why would I go buy a primary car that I can only use during the week?

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Because I have always had more than one car that serve different purposes. I've had up to 6 at a time. I have an EV that get's me to work and back, a truck to go into the mountains with my dog and an SUV to go out to dinner with my wife. I don't know very many households with just one car.

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Philip J Fry said:

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EV owners really confuse me.

If my backup car fills every need I have, why would I go buy a primary car that I can only use during the week?

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Because I have always had more than one car that serve different purposes. I've had up to 6 at a time. I have an EV that get's me to work and back, a truck to go into the mountains with my dog and an SUV to go out to dinner with my wife. I don't know very many households with just one car.

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Look at me, I've got 6 cars!

Sorry to break it to you Bud, but that's atypical. Most households have one car, maybe two.

Bubblez said:

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You could use that 3/4 diesel truck as a daily driver, though not exactly fit for purpose.

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It's the wrong tool for the job. I use my truck to tow.