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I've noticed anytime I respond to your posts you just have a simple 1 or 2 word reply. If you cant back your **** up then maybe don't talk about a subject you know nothing about, then.

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Whatever you say. Maybe it's just the fact that your responses are so poorly reasoned that it's not worth getting into a debate. I pretty clearly articulated my point already.

Your assertions about treatment and Abbot are incoherent. Affirmation is a bad treatment and Abbot is right to legislate against bad treatments. Your logic taken to its logical conclusion just means you can never legislate anything because there's a flip side to every coin. It's ridiculous.

HTH

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It's your opinion that affirmations are a bad treatment. And it's none of the government's GD business what these families privately decide to do.

And anyone who wants the government to rip these families' children from them for this reason is a cruel POS who can rot in hell.

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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Neither of those studies support your position.

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They absolutely do. They show transitioning to be an ineffective treatment. They back up every single point I've made.

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The individuals in the studies received gender affirming care, something you've made clear should not be done.

Remember, the truth is what they should receive and that truth is that they're mentally ill and not trans.

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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Neither of those studies support your position.

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They absolutely do. They show transitioning to be an ineffective treatment. They back up every single point I've made.

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The individuals in the studies received gender affirming care, something you've made clear should not be done.

Remember, the truth is what they should receive and that truth is that they're mentally ill and not trans.

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I dunno man. This seems to clearly affirm his position.

From his own link

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In this first total population study of transgender individuals with a gender incongruence diagnosis, the longitudinal association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced likelihood of mental health treatment lends support to the decision to provide gender-affirming surgeries to transgender individuals who seek them.

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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I've noticed anytime I respond to your posts you just have a simple 1 or 2 word reply. If you cant back your **** up then maybe don't talk about a subject you know nothing about, then.

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Whatever you say. Maybe it's just the fact that your responses are so poorly reasoned that it's not worth getting into a debate. I pretty clearly articulated my point already.

Your assertions about treatment and Abbot are incoherent. Affirmation is a bad treatment and Abbot is right to legislate against bad treatments. Your logic taken to its logical conclusion just means you can never legislate anything because there's a flip side to every coin. It's ridiculous.

HTH

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It's your opinion that affirmations are a bad treatment. And it's none of the government's GD business what these families privately decide to do.

And anyone who wants the government to rip these families' children from them for this reason is a cruel POS who can rot in hell.

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Yeah and it's your opinion that it's wrong to beat a child but we still let CPS take them away. We have to make moral judgements based on what is right and wrong. Affirmation of a mental illness is wrong. Parents who encourage mental illness should not go unpunished.

All that said, this is just a way to prevent hospitals from providing unproven treatments. Nobody is losing their children. Keep clutching your pearls.

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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Neither of those studies support your position.

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They absolutely do. They show transitioning to be an ineffective treatment. They back up every single point I've made.

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The individuals in the studies received gender affirming care, something you've made clear should not be done.

Remember, the truth is what they should receive and that truth is that they're mentally ill and not trans.

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What the hell are you talking about? You're saying that because they studied people who have had surgery, surgery is a good treatment? Geez.

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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This is the crux of the issue. Leftists just see another thing to piss off conservatives and push the hell out of it. Conservatives assume it's all about leftist BS, anti-family nonsense and not a real issue that needs to be looked at empathetically and reasonably.

Normally we would think, well we need to leave these decisions to the professionals like doctors and mental health experts, but we have seen up close how corrupt and tribal those fields have gotten politically in the past couple years.

I think, as liberty minded reasonable people, we need to at least recognize that we are also not experts in this field, and perhaps the best option is to just respect the right of parents to decide what it best for their children, be it what some consider "anti-trans" or "pro-trans". Parents make bad choices for their kids all the time, that is far better than the government forcing decisions upon them and criminalizing them for doing what they might be convinced is the only way to keep their kids alive.

Is something going on that is pushing far more kids to thinking they are trans than there probably actually are? Sure. Does that mean we need to throw out actual trans kids with the bathwater of sjw crazies?

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This is exactly the point most of us are trying to drive home. These are private family decisions on how to handle a child with gender dysphoria. I dont really care what people think about hormonal treatments that they get. The fact of the matter is, these treatments are often recommended by medical professionals, and even if you think that's wrong it's absurd to claim it rises to the level of child abuse. There are also some "pro-trans" things I dont agree with, like rushing to validate a child's transgender tendencies much too soon. I also am not in favor of overdoing the whole pronoun game.

If we want to go down that path of calling it child abuse, I'd be happy to go into a litany of bad decisions parents make that straddle the line of child abuse. And in many of those cases I think that the parents need to change their ways but that it's morally ****ed up for the government to intervene and try to take the kids away.

What Abbott is doing is "strict father" politics where he wants to harshly punish anyone who does something he doesn't approve of. He also very clearly hates transgender people and the movement and he wants to hurt these people and drive them out of the state, likely to appease his voting base.

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https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/03/15/san-antonio-radio-host-mike-taylor-becomes-advocate-for-transgender-families-after-leaving-texas-to-protect-young-son/

I have not listened to any local SA sports or Mike Taylor in over 10 years and honestly didn't even know he was still on air here. Last I heard of this guy he had knocked up a local weather girl (while married with kids!) and moved off to Wisconsin or some such. Apparently one of his spawns with said former weather girl has decided she wants to be a he and they moved to Hawaii to be around like-minded people? He has decided to lend his powerful voice to oppose the latest transgender laws, lol. Yes, I am going to take parenting advice from this guy.

A few gems from the article....

"It's not a mental disorder. We're just normal people. That's the message that I want out there," Taylor said. "There are people in this state that think that we're all having underground illegal, unethical surgeries. No one is. We're normal people."

"I need to let people realize that we just are such a small group of people that we're not some huge threat. We don't need laws passed against us to discriminate against us. Whether you will ever totally understand it or not. I need you to understand that this is senseless what's going on in Austin."

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No, it's been classified and studied. It's a mental disorder, always has been, always will be.

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Is it?

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Yes

The data and studies are a mile high and go back a century.

Mouthbreathers of both political extremes



When a government policy towards children goes against one's beliefs: Protect Parent's rights! Let Parents decide what is best!

When policy matches their beliefs:
We can't allow parents to ruin their kids lives, we need government to intervene!

Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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Neither of those studies support your position.

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They absolutely do. They show transitioning to be an ineffective treatment. They back up every single point I've made.

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The individuals in the studies received gender affirming care, something you've made clear should not be done.

Remember, the truth is what they should receive and that truth is that they're mentally ill and not trans.

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What the hell are you talking about? You're saying that because they studied people who have had surgery, surgery is a good treatment? Geez.

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Goodness you're persistent (and incapable of proving your point).

I am saying they should receive gender affirming care and that is a net positive, supported by studies.

You support telling them they are mentally ill, not trans, and that this approach is favorable with ZERO to support it.

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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I've noticed anytime I respond to your posts you just have a simple 1 or 2 word reply. If you cant back your **** up then maybe don't talk about a subject you know nothing about, then.

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Whatever you say. Maybe it's just the fact that your responses are so poorly reasoned that it's not worth getting into a debate. I pretty clearly articulated my point already.

Your assertions about treatment and Abbot are incoherent. Affirmation is a bad treatment and Abbot is right to legislate against bad treatments. Your logic taken to its logical conclusion just means you can never legislate anything because there's a flip side to every coin. It's ridiculous.

HTH

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It's your opinion that affirmations are a bad treatment. And it's none of the government's GD business what these families privately decide to do.

And anyone who wants the government to rip these families' children from them for this reason is a cruel POS who can rot in hell.

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Yeah and it's your opinion that it's wrong to beat a child but we still let CPS take them away. We have to make moral judgements based on what is right and wrong. Affirmation of a mental illness is wrong. Parents who encourage mental illness should not go unpunished.

All that said, this is just a way to prevent hospitals from providing unproven treatments. Nobody is losing their children. Keep clutching your pearls.

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giving children this treatment at the recommendation of a professional isn't equivalent to beating them.

Again, I don't give a rat's ass what your personal opinion on this subject is. You have no right to take these kids away.

And i'm not "pearl clutching." If parents are deemed to be "child abusers" you think CPS won't take the kids away? Are you serious? This whole investigation nonsense only started a few weeks ago. For you to claim it isn't happening or won't happen is arrogant. If parents are found to have given their minor child gender affirming treatment and they live in a county where the DA will prosecute that as child abuse, you bet your ass CPS will take the kid away.

And throw them into a broken foster system that is severely underfunded and understaffed, and overcrowded with kids. Abbott is truly doing the Lord's work.

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Mouthbreathers of both political extremes



When a government policy towards children goes against one's beliefs: Protect Parent's rights! Let Parents decide what is best!

When policy matches their beliefs:
We can't allow parents to ruin their kids lives, we need government to intervene!

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No one here supporting gender affirming care said govt should intervene in these kids lives here, even if we think that is the better approach. Can't say that for group on other side of discussion advocating for Abbott's stupid announcement a couple weeks ago to investigate parents who support their kids, that it's child abuse, liberals run amok, etc.

TXAGFAN said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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Mouthbreathers of both political extremes



When a government policy towards children goes against one's beliefs: Protect Parent's rights! Let Parents decide what is best!

When policy matches their beliefs:
We can't allow parents to ruin their kids lives, we need government to intervene!

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No one here supporting gender affirming care said govt should intervene in these kids lives here, even if we think that is the better approach. Can't say that for group on other side of discussion advocating for Abbott's stupid announcement a couple weeks ago to investigate parents who support their kids, that it's child abuse, liberals run amok, etc.

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I'm speaking more overall politically. Like CRT, gender-critical/sex indoctrination in grade school even elementary school supported by the left.

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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Neither of those studies support your position.

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They absolutely do. They show transitioning to be an ineffective treatment. They back up every single point I've made.

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The individuals in the studies received gender affirming care, something you've made clear should not be done.

Remember, the truth is what they should receive and that truth is that they're mentally ill and not trans.

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What the hell are you talking about? You're saying that because they studied people who have had surgery, surgery is a good treatment? Geez.

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Goodness you're persistent (and incapable of proving your point).

I am saying they should receive gender affirming care and that is a net positive, supported by studies.

You support telling them they are mentally ill, not trans, and that this approach is favorable with ZERO to support it.

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If you can't read past the conclusion paragraph of a study, you're not worth arguing with. A lobotomy effectively treats all kinds of mental illness. Should we push those?

You have to actually weigh the data against the moral implications of the treatment. If you need a meta analysis, go read Ryan Andersons work. I'm done with this discussion. No point in arguing with ideologues that are invested in the agenda.

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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Neither of those studies support your position.

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They absolutely do. They show transitioning to be an ineffective treatment. They back up every single point I've made.

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The individuals in the studies received gender affirming care, something you've made clear should not be done.

Remember, the truth is what they should receive and that truth is that they're mentally ill and not trans.

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What the hell are you talking about? You're saying that because they studied people who have had surgery, surgery is a good treatment? Geez.

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Goodness you're persistent (and incapable of proving your point).

I am saying they should receive gender affirming care and that is a net positive, supported by studies.

You support telling them they are mentally ill, not trans, and that this approach is favorable with ZERO to support it.

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If you can't read past the conclusion paragraph of a study, you're not worth arguing with. A lobotomy effectively treats all kinds of mental illness. Should we push those?

You have to actually weigh the data against the moral implications of the treatment. If you need a meta analysis, go read Ryan Andersons work. I'm done with this discussion. No point in arguing with ideologues that are invested in the agenda.

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So you have zero to support your point of view which does not represent the standard of care, got it.

larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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I've noticed anytime I respond to your posts you just have a simple 1 or 2 word reply. If you cant back your **** up then maybe don't talk about a subject you know nothing about, then.

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Whatever you say. Maybe it's just the fact that your responses are so poorly reasoned that it's not worth getting into a debate. I pretty clearly articulated my point already.

Your assertions about treatment and Abbot are incoherent. Affirmation is a bad treatment and Abbot is right to legislate against bad treatments. Your logic taken to its logical conclusion just means you can never legislate anything because there's a flip side to every coin. It's ridiculous.

HTH

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It's your opinion that affirmations are a bad treatment. And it's none of the government's GD business what these families privately decide to do.

And anyone who wants the government to rip these families' children from them for this reason is a cruel POS who can rot in hell.

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Yeah and it's your opinion that it's wrong to beat a child but we still let CPS take them away. We have to make moral judgements based on what is right and wrong. Affirmation of a mental illness is wrong. Parents who encourage mental illness should not go unpunished.

All that said, this is just a way to prevent hospitals from providing unproven treatments. Nobody is losing their children. Keep clutching your pearls.

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giving children this treatment at the recommendation of a professional isn't equivalent to beating them.

Again, I don't give a rat's ass what your personal opinion on this subject is. You have no right to take these kids away.

And i'm not "pearl clutching." If parents are deemed to be "child abusers" you think CPS won't take the kids away? Are you serious? This whole investigation nonsense only started a few weeks ago. For you to claim it isn't happening or won't happen is arrogant. If parents are found to have given their minor child gender affirming treatment and they live in a county where the DA will prosecute that as child abuse, you bet your ass CPS will take the kid away.

And throw them into a broken foster system that is severely underfunded and understaffed, and overcrowded with kids. Abbott is truly doing the Lord's work.

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Better to be a foster kid than chemically and physically castrated. Acting like parents have the infallible right to experiment on their children as a private matter is an absurd notion. There's plenty of legislation that prevents "private" activities involving children.

This is the same logic that gets you decisions like Roe. It's absurd on its face that your right to privacy somehow supersedes the ability to outlaw morally bad actions to children.

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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I've noticed anytime I respond to your posts you just have a simple 1 or 2 word reply. If you cant back your **** up then maybe don't talk about a subject you know nothing about, then.

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Whatever you say. Maybe it's just the fact that your responses are so poorly reasoned that it's not worth getting into a debate. I pretty clearly articulated my point already.

Your assertions about treatment and Abbot are incoherent. Affirmation is a bad treatment and Abbot is right to legislate against bad treatments. Your logic taken to its logical conclusion just means you can never legislate anything because there's a flip side to every coin. It's ridiculous.

HTH

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It's your opinion that affirmations are a bad treatment. And it's none of the government's GD business what these families privately decide to do.

And anyone who wants the government to rip these families' children from them for this reason is a cruel POS who can rot in hell.

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Yeah and it's your opinion that it's wrong to beat a child but we still let CPS take them away. We have to make moral judgements based on what is right and wrong. Affirmation of a mental illness is wrong. Parents who encourage mental illness should not go unpunished.

All that said, this is just a way to prevent hospitals from providing unproven treatments. Nobody is losing their children. Keep clutching your pearls.

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giving children this treatment at the recommendation of a professional isn't equivalent to beating them.

Again, I don't give a rat's ass what your personal opinion on this subject is. You have no right to take these kids away.

And i'm not "pearl clutching." If parents are deemed to be "child abusers" you think CPS won't take the kids away? Are you serious? This whole investigation nonsense only started a few weeks ago. For you to claim it isn't happening or won't happen is arrogant. If parents are found to have given their minor child gender affirming treatment and they live in a county where the DA will prosecute that as child abuse, you bet your ass CPS will take the kid away.

And throw them into a broken foster system that is severely underfunded and understaffed, and overcrowded with kids. Abbott is truly doing the Lord's work.

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Better to be a foster kid than chemically and physically castrated. Acting like parents have the infallible right to experiment on their children as a private matter is an absurd notion. There's plenty of legislation that prevents "private" activities involving children.

This is the same logic that gets you decisions like Roe. It's absurd on its face that your right to privacy somehow supersedes the ability to outlaw morally bad actions to children.

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The same Texas foster care system and agency Abbott oversees that is woefully underfunded and that has many issues including involvement in child sex trafficking? Well, you're certainly doubling down I'll give you that.

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The same Texas foster care system and agency Abbott oversees that is woefully underfunded and that has many issues including involvement in child sex trafficking? Well, you're certainly doubling down I'll give you that.

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Based on the utter callousness and cruelty of Abbott's directive, and the words that some on the right say about trans families... yeah I think they are all pretty okay with whatever fate a trans kid meets in the foster system. Consider it the kid's comeuppance for not living the life they approve of.

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The same Texas foster care system and agency Abbott oversees that is woefully underfunded and that has many issues including involvement in child sex trafficking? Well, you're certainly doubling down I'll give you that.

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Based on the utter callousness and cruelty of Abbott's directive, and the words that some on the right say about trans families... yeah I think they are all pretty okay with whatever fate a trans kid meets in the foster system. Consider it the kid's comeuppance for not living the life Abbott approves of.

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Agree…

Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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No one is mutilating this guys 10yo as an example. That again is not the standard of care for trans people. Doesn't play well for your anger or justify your hate, but that's not reality.

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larry culpepper said:

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larry culpepper said:

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larry culpepper said:

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I've noticed anytime I respond to your posts you just have a simple 1 or 2 word reply. If you cant back your **** up then maybe don't talk about a subject you know nothing about, then.

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Whatever you say. Maybe it's just the fact that your responses are so poorly reasoned that it's not worth getting into a debate. I pretty clearly articulated my point already.

Your assertions about treatment and Abbot are incoherent. Affirmation is a bad treatment and Abbot is right to legislate against bad treatments. Your logic taken to its logical conclusion just means you can never legislate anything because there's a flip side to every coin. It's ridiculous.

HTH

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It's your opinion that affirmations are a bad treatment. And it's none of the government's GD business what these families privately decide to do.

And anyone who wants the government to rip these families' children from them for this reason is a cruel POS who can rot in hell.

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Yeah and it's your opinion that it's wrong to beat a child but we still let CPS take them away. We have to make moral judgements based on what is right and wrong. Affirmation of a mental illness is wrong. Parents who encourage mental illness should not go unpunished.

All that said, this is just a way to prevent hospitals from providing unproven treatments. Nobody is losing their children. Keep clutching your pearls.

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giving children this treatment at the recommendation of a professional isn't equivalent to beating them.

Again, I don't give a rat's ass what your personal opinion on this subject is. You have no right to take these kids away.

And i'm not "pearl clutching." If parents are deemed to be "child abusers" you think CPS won't take the kids away? Are you serious? This whole investigation nonsense only started a few weeks ago. For you to claim it isn't happening or won't happen is arrogant. If parents are found to have given their minor child gender affirming treatment and they live in a county where the DA will prosecute that as child abuse, you bet your ass CPS will take the kid away.

And throw them into a broken foster system that is severely underfunded and understaffed, and overcrowded with kids. Abbott is truly doing the Lord's work.

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Better to be a foster kid than chemically and physically castrated. Acting like parents have the infallible right to experiment on their children as a private matter is an absurd notion. There's plenty of legislation that prevents "private" activities involving children.

This is the same logic that gets you decisions like Roe. It's absurd on its face that your right to privacy somehow supersedes the ability to outlaw morally bad actions to children.

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The same Texas foster care system and agency Abbott oversees that is woefully underfunded and that has many issues including involvement in child sex trafficking? Well, you're certainly doubling down I'll give you that.

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So are you saying the foster care system is the problem now?

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Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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The reason I know you are full of **** and have no idea what you're talking about is you keep going back to straw men. No one is mutilating kids. Kids cannot have sex change surgery. You've been told that so many times but you keep saying this.

You just dont approve of gender affirming treatment. I'm not going to try to change your mind on that bc you're entitled to your opinion. But this is a treatment that is consistently recommended by medical professionals to treat gender dysphoria, and is reversible.

Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean the state can take these kids away. Your ignorance is not equal to their knowledge.

I have zero sympathy for people like you and Abbott who want to rip families apart to push your social agenda.

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Kvetch said:

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Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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No one is mutilating this guys 10yo as an example. That again is not the standard of care for trans people. Doesn't play well for your anger or justify your hate, but that's not reality.

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You're right. That's a future surgery. For now they're just affirming the mental illness and chemically castrating.

I have no anger or hate except for the people that enable the abuse of children because of their sexual ideologies. Your belief in scientism and refusal to make actual moral judgements instead of citing marginal statistics says all one needs to know.

Maybe you should reflect on the actual implications of the garbage you support instead of trolling a politics board for proof that you'll never accept anyways.

Joseph Freshwater, Sr said:

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https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/03/15/san-antonio-radio-host-mike-taylor-becomes-advocate-for-transgender-families-after-leaving-texas-to-protect-young-son/

A few gems from the article....

"It's not a mental disorder. We're just normal people. That's the message that I want out there," Taylor said. "There are people in this state that think that we're all having underground illegal, unethical surgeries. No one is. We're normal people."

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So let me get this straight:

If I worry too much, or excessively then I have anxiety, which is considered a mental disorder.

If I have a loss of interest in activities or a lack of self-worth then I am depressed, which is considered a mental disorder.

If I have excessive or compulsive thoughts then I am OCD, which is considered a mental disorder.

If I have severe mood swings, with big time lows and crazy highs then I have bipolar disorder, which is considered a mental disorder.

If I have thoughts that are out of touch with reality, hallucinations, delusions, or extreme disordered thinking then I am schizophrenic, which is considered a mental disorder.

All of these are some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain that are not considered part of a normal persons "default" mindset. They're outliers, per se. They're conditions that affect your thinking, feeling, mood, and behavior as to what people deem normal, and can affect how you relate to others...which is - by definition - a mental disorder.

If you're a guy that wants to be a woman, or a woman that wants to be a guy then that's an outlier. That's not part of a normal persons "default" mindset. That affects the way you think, the way you feel, your mood, your behavior, and how you relate to others. Which - by definition - is a mental disorder.

If someone wants to be trans then that is their own choice. But you're not going to convince me that it's not a mental disorder. However, it seems to be the only one that is celebrated. If I've got depression, anxiety, OCD, etc. then I'm recommended a therapist or a prescription to help me get around it, or to help me live with it in order to function properly in my day-to-day life. I am not encouraged to dive deeper into the disorder and get more depressed, or more anxious, or more obsessed.

But, maybe that's just me.

larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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The reason I know you are full of **** and have no idea what you're talking about is you keep going back to straw men. No one is mutilating kids. Kids cannot have sex change surgery. You've been told that so many times but you keep saying this.

You just dont approve of gender affirming treatment. I'm not going to try to change your mind on that bc you're entitled to your opinion. But this is a treatment that is consistently recommended by medical professionals to treat gender dysphoria, and is reversible.

Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean the state can take these kids away. Your ignorance is not equal to their knowledge.

I have zero sympathy for people like you and Abbott who want to rip families apart to push your social agenda.

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What about hormone blockers? I'm honestly asking. Also, is it true kids can't have sex change surgery? How old do they have to be? Is it a decision they'd be restricted from making until they had a fully developed brain? Wouldn't it also make sense to ensure a child's brain is fully developed or at least done with puberty before providing gender affirming therapy?

larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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The reason I know you are full of **** and have no idea what you're talking about is you keep going back to straw men. No one is mutilating kids. Kids cannot have sex change surgery. You've been told that so many times but you keep saying this.

You just dont approve of gender affirming treatment. I'm not going to try to change your mind on that bc you're entitled to your opinion. But this is a treatment that is consistently recommended by medical professionals to treat gender dysphoria, and is reversible.

Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean the state can take these kids away. Your ignorance is not equal to their knowledge.

I have zero sympathy for people like you and Abbott who want to rip families apart to push your social agenda.

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Yeah. Why don't you look at the rate at which children revert back to their correct gender identities without affirmation vs with affirmation. You can pretend that this is just some standard medical treatment. It's not. It's grooming and it preys on unstable children.

They may not be mutilated today, but you're putting them on the path to make that decision. Keep on defending this evil, bud.

ETA see you later. Done arguing with doorknobs.

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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The reason I know you are full of **** and have no idea what you're talking about is you keep going back to straw men. No one is mutilating kids. Kids cannot have sex change surgery. You've been told that so many times but you keep saying this.

You just dont approve of gender affirming treatment. I'm not going to try to change your mind on that bc you're entitled to your opinion. But this is a treatment that is consistently recommended by medical professionals to treat gender dysphoria, and is reversible.

Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean the state can take these kids away. Your ignorance is not equal to their knowledge.

I have zero sympathy for people like you and Abbott who want to rip families apart to push your social agenda.

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Yeah. Why don't you look at the rate at which children revert back to their correct gender identities without affirmation vs with affirmation. You can pretend that this is just some standard medical treatment. It's not. It's grooming and it preys on unstable children.

They may not be mutilated today, but you're putting them on the path to make that decision. Keep on defending this evil, bud.

ETA see you later. Done arguing with doorknobs.

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Less than 5% of trans people detransition, more like 3% based on studies.

Another unfounded and unsupported point of view with a supporting made up lie from Kvetch, I'm shocked.

TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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Ah yes. Back to the empathy and compassion by the leftists who think mutilating children is a private matter and that it's tyrannical to say that you can't abuse children.

So brave.

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The reason I know you are full of **** and have no idea what you're talking about is you keep going back to straw men. No one is mutilating kids. Kids cannot have sex change surgery. You've been told that so many times but you keep saying this.

You just dont approve of gender affirming treatment. I'm not going to try to change your mind on that bc you're entitled to your opinion. But this is a treatment that is consistently recommended by medical professionals to treat gender dysphoria, and is reversible.

Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean the state can take these kids away. Your ignorance is not equal to their knowledge.

I have zero sympathy for people like you and Abbott who want to rip families apart to push your social agenda.

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Yeah. Why don't you look at the rate at which children revert back to their correct gender identities without affirmation vs with affirmation. You can pretend that this is just some standard medical treatment. It's not. It's grooming and it preys on unstable children.

They may not be mutilated today, but you're putting them on the path to make that decision. Keep on defending this evil, bud.

ETA see you later. Done arguing with doorknobs.

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Less than 5% of people detransition, more like 3% based on studies.

Another unfounded and unsupported point of view with a supporting made up lie from Kvetch, I'm shocked.

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I didn't say detransition. Yet another lie from the LGBTQ mafia.

my understanding about hormone blockers is that the medical literature deems them safe, and not permanent. I also do not believe they are given out like candy, but only after a minor has undergone psychological evaluation and has shown clear evidence of consistent gender dysphoria over time. they are given under the care and guide of a doctor. I believe the long term effects are still being researched.

I believe you cannot undergo gender reassignment surgery in the US until you are 18. I say "believe" because there may be some nuanced state laws about this that I'm not familiar with.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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This is the crux of the issue. Leftists just see another thing to piss off conservatives and push the hell out of it. Conservatives assume it's all about leftist BS, anti-family nonsense and not a real issue that needs to be looked at empathetically and reasonably.

Normally we would think, well we need to leave these decisions to the professionals like doctors and mental health experts, but we have seen up close how corrupt and tribal those fields have gotten politically in the past couple years.

I think, as liberty minded reasonable people, we need to at least recognize that we are also not experts in this field, and perhaps the best option is to just respect the right of parents to decide what it best for their children, be it what some consider "anti-trans" or "pro-trans". Parents make bad choices for their kids all the time, that is far better than the government forcing decisions upon them and criminalizing them for doing what they might be convinced is the only way to keep their kids alive.

Is something going on that is pushing far more kids to thinking they are trans than there probably actually are? Sure. Does that mean we need to throw out actual trans kids with the bathwater of sjw crazies?

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This is exactly the point most of us are trying to drive home. These are private family decisions on how to handle a child with gender dysphoria. I dont really care what people think about hormonal treatments that they get. The fact of the matter is, these treatments are often recommended by medical professionals, and even if you think that's wrong it's absurd to claim it rises to the level of child abuse. There are also some "pro-trans" things I dont agree with, like rushing to validate a child's transgender tendencies much too soon. I also am not in favor of overdoing the whole pronoun game.

If we want to go down that path of calling it child abuse, I'd be happy to go into a litany of bad decisions parents make that straddle the line of child abuse. And in many of those cases I think that the parents need to change their ways but that it's morally ****ed up for the government to intervene and try to take the kids away.

What Abbott is doing is "strict father" politics where he wants to harshly punish anyone who does something he doesn't approve of. He also very clearly hates transgender people and the movement and he wants to hurt these people and drive them out of the state, likely to appease his voting base.

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Good. GTFO and go somewhere like California where all the mentally ill and their supporters can hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

Frederick Palowaski said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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This is the crux of the issue. Leftists just see another thing to piss off conservatives and push the hell out of it. Conservatives assume it's all about leftist BS, anti-family nonsense and not a real issue that needs to be looked at empathetically and reasonably.

Normally we would think, well we need to leave these decisions to the professionals like doctors and mental health experts, but we have seen up close how corrupt and tribal those fields have gotten politically in the past couple years.

I think, as liberty minded reasonable people, we need to at least recognize that we are also not experts in this field, and perhaps the best option is to just respect the right of parents to decide what it best for their children, be it what some consider "anti-trans" or "pro-trans". Parents make bad choices for their kids all the time, that is far better than the government forcing decisions upon them and criminalizing them for doing what they might be convinced is the only way to keep their kids alive.

Is something going on that is pushing far more kids to thinking they are trans than there probably actually are? Sure. Does that mean we need to throw out actual trans kids with the bathwater of sjw crazies?

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This is exactly the point most of us are trying to drive home. These are private family decisions on how to handle a child with gender dysphoria. I dont really care what people think about hormonal treatments that they get. The fact of the matter is, these treatments are often recommended by medical professionals, and even if you think that's wrong it's absurd to claim it rises to the level of child abuse. There are also some "pro-trans" things I dont agree with, like rushing to validate a child's transgender tendencies much too soon. I also am not in favor of overdoing the whole pronoun game.

If we want to go down that path of calling it child abuse, I'd be happy to go into a litany of bad decisions parents make that straddle the line of child abuse. And in many of those cases I think that the parents need to change their ways but that it's morally ****ed up for the government to intervene and try to take the kids away.

What Abbott is doing is "strict father" politics where he wants to harshly punish anyone who does something he doesn't approve of. He also very clearly hates transgender people and the movement and he wants to hurt these people and drive them out of the state, likely to appease his voting base.

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Good. GTFO and go somewhere like California where all the mentally I'll and their supporters can hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

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Whatever majority you think you have in Texas on these topics, it's not as absolute as your post indicates.

Keep crying, lady.

No I'll stay here just to piss you off.

Frederick Palowaski said:

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Keep crying, lady.

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Id reply back with a cute comment, but would probably catch a ban for name calling despite it being demonstrably true (unlike yours) based on your post history in this thread alone.

Donates to the Trevor Project. Something about a fool and their money