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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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TXAGFAN said:

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Rip*66 said:

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captkirk said:

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The reports of bathroom pervs and sports liars is absolutely cherry-picking

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I can name more Republican legislators arrested for compromising bathroom situations than I can trans people.

Can you name any? (Without looking them up)

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Such a stupid comment and comparison.

Of course you can name more Republican Legislators for this, when it happens, it gets blasted all over MSM. How many of your pervert friends make headlines when they are caught?

I hope you are not raising children...

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Can you even name an incident that you are rallying against in these posts?

Flattering comment about "pervert friends" and don't worry about my situation with kids (though there is ZERO to worry about in spite of this tired trope that LGBT people are perverts and pedophiles). Worry about the people in your life, they're the most common offenders of crimes against children.

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Yeah, DSM II in 1967

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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BigOil said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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Telling people not to talk about something unless they have direct experience seems awfully short sighted, no?

There are lots of posters around here that don't have a JD or a bar license, have never set foot inside of a courtroom (except, maybe, as a defendant to plead out a misdemeanor) and have no experience practicing law who comment endlessly on law, litigation, and legal policy. I have no problem with it.

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Ghost of Bizbee said:

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Why do y'all even care? This person has no impact on your life.

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Rip*66 said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Rip*66 said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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captkirk said:

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Ghost of Bizbee said:

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The reports of bathroom pervs and sports liars is absolutely cherry-picking

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I can name more Republican legislators arrested for compromising bathroom situations than I can trans people.

Can you name any? (Without looking them up)

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Such a stupid comment and comparison.

Of course you can name more Republican Legislators for this, when it happens, it gets blasted all over MSM. How many of your pervert friends make headlines when they are caught?

I hope you are not raising children...

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Can you even name an incident that you are rallying against in these posts?

Flattering comment about "pervert friends" and don't worry about my situation with kids (though there is ZERO to worry about in spite of this tired trope that LGBT people are perverts and pedophiles). Worry about the people in your life, they're the most common offenders of crimes against children.

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"Hannah" Tubbs....and a simple Google search will provide you with dozens more.

And I can assure you that the people in my life are not offenders of crimes against children. Can you say the same about your people?

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Oh I have terrible news about your knowledge of such things.

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TXAGFAN said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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BigOil said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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Telling people not to talk about something unless they have direct experience seems awfully short sighted, no?

There are lots of posters around here that don't have a JD or a bar license, have never set foot inside of a courtroom (except, maybe, as a defendant to plead out a misdemeanor) and have no experience practicing law who comment endlessly on law, litigation, and legal policy. I have no problem with it.

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Is it not ok to have empathy for example anymore? I think that's the point of his and many posts on this rather than acting like every trans person or their parents are some kind of evil person.

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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BigOil said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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Telling people not to talk about something unless they have direct experience seems awfully short sighted, no?

There are lots of posters around here that don't have a JD or a bar license, have never set foot inside of a courtroom (except, maybe, as a defendant to plead out a misdemeanor) and have no experience practicing law who comment endlessly on law, litigation, and legal policy. I have no problem with it.

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Is it not ok to have empathy for example anymore? I think that's the point of his and many posts on this rather than acting like every trans person or their parents are some kind of evil person.

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You've conflated empathy with shouting down discussion via an appeal to authority.

While we're on the subject, I assume from your posts that you aren't a parent, correct?

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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BigOil said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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Telling people not to talk about something unless they have direct experience seems awfully short sighted, no?

There are lots of posters around here that don't have a JD or a bar license, have never set foot inside of a courtroom (except, maybe, as a defendant to plead out a misdemeanor) and have no experience practicing law who comment endlessly on law, litigation, and legal policy. I have no problem with it.

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Is it not ok to have empathy for example anymore? I think that's the point of his and many posts on this rather than acting like every trans person or their parents are some kind of evil person.

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You've conflated empathy with shouting down discussion via an appeal to authority.

While we're on the subject, I assume from your posts that you aren't a parent, correct?

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Kvetch said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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BigOil said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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Telling people not to talk about something unless they have direct experience seems awfully short sighted, no?

There are lots of posters around here that don't have a JD or a bar license, have never set foot inside of a courtroom (except, maybe, as a defendant to plead out a misdemeanor) and have no experience practicing law who comment endlessly on law, litigation, and legal policy. I have no problem with it.

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Is it not ok to have empathy for example anymore? I think that's the point of his and many posts on this rather than acting like every trans person or their parents are some kind of evil person.

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You've conflated empathy with shouting down discussion via an appeal to authority.

While we're on the subject, I assume from your posts that you aren't a parent, correct?

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Valuing empathy over truth does more damage than good. It is not compassionate to validate someone's mental illness. You can be empathetic to their struggle without indulging their delusions.

Truth is always the most compassionate answer when it comes to objective reality.

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TXAGFAN said:

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Rip*66 said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Rip*66 said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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captkirk said:

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Ghost of Bizbee said:

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The reports of bathroom pervs and sports liars is absolutely cherry-picking

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I can name more Republican legislators arrested for compromising bathroom situations than I can trans people.

Can you name any? (Without looking them up)

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Such a stupid comment and comparison.

Of course you can name more Republican Legislators for this, when it happens, it gets blasted all over MSM. How many of your pervert friends make headlines when they are caught?

I hope you are not raising children...

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Can you even name an incident that you are rallying against in these posts?

Flattering comment about "pervert friends" and don't worry about my situation with kids (though there is ZERO to worry about in spite of this tired trope that LGBT people are perverts and pedophiles). Worry about the people in your life, they're the most common offenders of crimes against children.

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"Hannah" Tubbs....and a simple Google search will provide you with dozens more.

And I can assure you that the people in my life are not offenders of crimes against children. Can you say the same about your people?

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Yes a google, no one KNOWS of these situations because they don't happen with any regularity and often they're just perverts. Not always authentically trans people.

I don't know if any pedophiles in my life, but you probably wouldn't know of any either and neither do the parents of most victims of sexual abuse. That's my point. Have you NEVER had someone be a victim in your community? I am from a small town in North Texas and we had many. Offenders included a church deacon, a scout leader, and a school administrator. All people no one thought was a pedophile.

Keep your bigoted accusations to yourself.

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TXAGFAN said:

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You are completely wrong. No surprise. Here's just one example. It doesn't fit your worldview so do not expect you will read or agree, but saying kids that receive gender affirming care have same risks of suicide is COMPLETELY false and nonsensical on its face.

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/new-study-finds-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-linked-to-lower-rates-of-depression-suicide-risk-among-transgender-youth/

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TXAGFAN said:

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You are completely wrong. No surprise. Here's just one example. It doesn't fit your worldview so do not expect you will read or agree, but saying kids that receive gender affirming care have same risks of suicide is COMPLETELY false and nonsensical on its face.

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/new-study-finds-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-linked-to-lower-rates-of-depression-suicide-risk-among-transgender-youth/

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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BigOil said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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Telling people not to talk about something unless they have direct experience seems awfully short sighted, no?

There are lots of posters around here that don't have a JD or a bar license, have never set foot inside of a courtroom (except, maybe, as a defendant to plead out a misdemeanor) and have no experience practicing law who comment endlessly on law, litigation, and legal policy. I have no problem with it.

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Is it not ok to have empathy for example anymore? I think that's the point of his and many posts on this rather than acting like every trans person or their parents are some kind of evil person.

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You've conflated empathy with shouting down discussion via an appeal to authority.

While we're on the subject, I assume from your posts that you aren't a parent, correct?

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Valuing empathy over truth does more damage than good. It is not compassionate to validate someone's mental illness. You can be empathetic to their struggle without indulging their delusions.

Truth is always the most compassionate answer when it comes to objective reality.

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Maybe if you don't mind the significantly increased risk of suicide for youth who don't receive proper care and attention, a proven truth.

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This is complete and utter nonsense. The suicide rates are roughly equal regardless of affirmation. These people are suicidal because they have a mental illness that causes them to feel great distress in their own bodies. That's why we are seeing rapidly increasing rates of transgenderism, especially amongst teenage girls. Affected people are emotionally vulnerable as is, and the ideas being shoved down their throats by the mainstream are appealing fixes to their feelings of despair.

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Is Alcoholism a Mental Illness?

Alcohol addiction is a complex disease with psychological, biological and social components, and like other chronic illnesses, addiction often involves cycles of relapse and remission. Some people can drink alcoholand even over-indulge on occasionwithout it becoming an issue. For others, drinking can turn into mild, moderate or severe "alcohol use disorder," the term doctors and clinicians now use instead of alcoholism, alcoholic or alcohol abuse.

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larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Kvetch said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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BigOil said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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Agree. Everyone thinks all you have to say is "don't be gay or don't be trans"

A little more complicated than that, and spoken from those with little to no experience is trying to address it.

Maybe withhold being a keyboard warrior until you've had your child attempt suicide despite tons of therapy and meds.

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Telling people not to talk about something unless they have direct experience seems awfully short sighted, no?

There are lots of posters around here that don't have a JD or a bar license, have never set foot inside of a courtroom (except, maybe, as a defendant to plead out a misdemeanor) and have no experience practicing law who comment endlessly on law, litigation, and legal policy. I have no problem with it.

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Is it not ok to have empathy for example anymore? I think that's the point of his and many posts on this rather than acting like every trans person or their parents are some kind of evil person.

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You've conflated empathy with shouting down discussion via an appeal to authority.

While we're on the subject, I assume from your posts that you aren't a parent, correct?

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Valuing empathy over truth does more damage than good. It is not compassionate to validate someone's mental illness. You can be empathetic to their struggle without indulging their delusions.

Truth is always the most compassionate answer when it comes to objective reality.

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Maybe if you don't mind the significantly increased risk of suicide for youth who don't receive proper care and attention, a proven truth.

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This is complete and utter nonsense. The suicide rates are roughly equal regardless of affirmation. These people are suicidal because they have a mental illness that causes them to feel great distress in their own bodies. That's why we are seeing rapidly increasing rates of transgenderism, especially amongst teenage girls. Affected people are emotionally vulnerable as is, and the ideas being shoved down their throats by the mainstream are appealing fixes to their feelings of despair.

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Absolutely right. Gender dysphoria is a serious mental condition that deserves serious treatment + therapy. I cannot relate, but I imagine it is extremely stressful for someone to feel like they were born into the wrong body. The stories of these people growing up hating themselves and attempting suicide are very sad.

The thing is, for many, transitioning is a legitimate treatment for this condition. And it's not just personal opinion, but a treatment that is often recommended by psychiatrists and other mental health experts in this field. While many people personally disagree with this approach, it is cruel and evil to rip children from their families and throw them into a broken foster system on this basis.

I do not agree with the approach of some to immediately validate a child's transgenderism, because I think it's better to wait and see if it is a phase before undergoing any major therapies (and this doesn't include surgery because minors cant do that anyway). But either way, none of this is any of the government's ****ing business and it pisses me off that Abbott thinks he has the right to be everyone's strict father and can punish any behavior he personally disapproves of.

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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TXAGFAN said:

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You are completely wrong. No surprise. Here's just one example. It doesn't fit your worldview so do not expect you will read or agree, but saying kids that receive gender affirming care have same risks of suicide is COMPLETELY false and nonsensical on its face.

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/new-study-finds-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-linked-to-lower-rates-of-depression-suicide-risk-among-transgender-youth/

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Citing the Trevor Project?!? What a joke

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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My viewpoint will never change.

Homosexuality, Transgenderism, and Sexual Promiscuity are sinful and destructive to civilization.

The Bible is ALWAYS right.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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This is the crux of the issue. Leftists just see another thing to piss off conservatives and push the hell out of it. Conservatives assume it's all about leftist BS, anti-family nonsense and not a real issue that needs to be looked at empathetically and reasonably.

Normally we would think, well we need to leave these decisions to the professionals like doctors and mental health experts, but we have seen up close how corrupt and tribal those fields have gotten politically in the past couple years.

I think, as liberty minded reasonable people, we need to at least recognize that we are also not experts in this field, and perhaps the best option is to just respect the right of parents to decide what it best for their children, be it what some consider "anti-trans" or "pro-trans". Parents make bad choices for their kids all the time, that is far better than the government forcing decisions upon them and criminalizing them for doing what they might be convinced is the only way to keep their kids alive.

Is something going on that is pushing far more kids to thinking they are trans than there probably actually are? Sure. Does that mean we need to throw out actual trans kids with the bathwater of sjw crazies?

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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Gender dysphoria is a mental disease which is classified as an abnormal behavior therefore someone with gender dysphoria is not a "normal person" just like an addict should not be considered a "normal person".

Both should be regarded and treated like any other psychological abnormality. That's not being mean, rude, or any other regressive descriptive tripe that that anyone wants to use to deflect from the truth. Deflecting from the truth should be categorized as abuse.

https://www.hazeldenbettyford.org/articles/why-is-alcoholism-classified-as-a-mental-illness

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Is Alcoholism a Mental Illness?

Alcohol addiction is a complex disease with psychological, biological and social components, and like other chronic illnesses, addiction often involves cycles of relapse and remission. Some people can drink alcoholand even over-indulge on occasionwithout it becoming an issue. For others, drinking can turn into mild, moderate or severe "alcohol use disorder," the term doctors and clinicians now use instead of alcoholism, alcoholic or alcohol abuse.

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's always easier to say this sort of thing when you never had to face it. When prospects include losing a kid I've seen plenty of attitudes change, the ones that don't it never ends well.

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This is the crux of the issue. Leftists just see another thing to piss off conservatives and push the hell out of it. Conservatives assume it's all about leftist BS, anti-family nonsense and not a real issue that needs to be looked at empathetically and reasonably.

Normally we would think, well we need to leave these decisions to the professionals like doctors and mental health experts, but we have seen up close how corrupt and tribal those fields have gotten politically in the past couple years.

I think, as liberty minded reasonable people, we need to at least recognize that we are also not experts in this field, and perhaps the best option is to just respect the right of parents to decide what it best for their children, be it what some consider "anti-trans" or "pro-trans". Parents make bad choices for their kids all the time, that is far better than the government forcing decisions upon them and criminalizing them for doing what they might be convinced is the only way to keep their kids alive.

Is something going on that is pushing far more kids to thinking they are trans than there probably actually are? Sure. Does that mean we need to throw out actual trans kids with the bathwater of sjw crazies?

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Well said.

Medical field is only being put in these boxes by people making it political, both parties share blame in that. That being said, I bet your ass if people saying doctors are evil/corrupt/etc had a heart attack, a mysterious lump, etc their ass would be in doctors office today listening and doing what they say. Same thing with parents of these trans youth trying to do what they can to help them and relying on medical professionals.

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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larry culpepper said:

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I've noticed anytime I respond to your posts you just have a simple 1 or 2 word reply. If you cant back your **** up then maybe don't talk about a subject you know nothing about, then.

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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Neither of those studies support your position.

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Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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It's a peer reviewed study and you're so wrong, I don't know why I even bother. You offer nothing to support your point of view and my link is one of MANY studies supporting it (along with medical community and standard of care).

But you're right "because liberals" and such.

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You realize peer reviewed doesn't mean infallible, right? I can site you peer reviewed studies that back me up too. So yeah, because liberals and such.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#:~:text=The%20median%20follow%E2%80%90up%20time,%25%20CI%201.06%E2%80%934.82).

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