Link to him being a white supremist? His wiki page says nothing about that.OG UNF said:
Found Ukrainian white supremacist Serhiy Sternenko propaganda on the Ukraine strategy thread. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/61595197
Zelensky tried to get him involved in his administration at one point.
Interesting ally, neo-nazi, stabbed a person to death and live streamed it.
He's desperately trying.Hydrocele_aggie said:
We are still doing this whole nazi/kkk boogeyman thing
SMH
Second sentence on the wiki page - led Right Sector.aTmAg said:Link to him being a white supremist? His wiki page says nothing about that.OG UNF said:
Found Ukrainian white supremacist Serhiy Sternenko propaganda on the Ukraine strategy thread. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/61595197
Zelensky tried to get him involved in his administration at one point.
Interesting ally, neo-nazi, stabbed a person to death and live streamed it.
(And even if he was a full fledged Hitler incarnate, it still doesn't justify Russian invasion)
UTExan said:
The Soviets starved the Ukraine, forcibly taking their grain, produce and livestock. It's called Holodomor, historically.
Some 7-10 million mostly Ukes perished through starvation and malnutrition/birth defects and little things like that aren't forgotten. So when the Germans invaded 8 years later, they found a receptive audience. Not to excuse the resurgence of fascism, but there are historical legs to that resurgence when the Russians were guilty of genocide.
Quote:
The number ofPutinNazi supporters/apologists keeps growing.
Ah... so you are going off of what Russia media says?OG UNF said:Second sentence on the wiki page - led Right Sector.aTmAg said:Link to him being a white supremist? His wiki page says nothing about that.OG UNF said:
Found Ukrainian white supremacist Serhiy Sternenko propaganda on the Ukraine strategy thread. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/61595197
Zelensky tried to get him involved in his administration at one point.
Interesting ally, neo-nazi, stabbed a person to death and live streamed it.
(And even if he was a full fledged Hitler incarnate, it still doesn't justify Russian invasion)
Quote:
Right Sector was the second-most mentioned political group in Russian media during the first half of 2014, and Russian state TV depicted it as neo-Nazi because of its far-right, extremist views and anti-Russian sentiment;[32][33] the Associated Press found no evidence that the group had committed hate crimes.[20]
BBCaTmAg said:Ah... so you are going off of what Russia media says?OG UNF said:Second sentence on the wiki page - led Right Sector.aTmAg said:Link to him being a white supremist? His wiki page says nothing about that.OG UNF said:
Found Ukrainian white supremacist Serhiy Sternenko propaganda on the Ukraine strategy thread. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/61595197
Zelensky tried to get him involved in his administration at one point.
Interesting ally, neo-nazi, stabbed a person to death and live streamed it.
(And even if he was a full fledged Hitler incarnate, it still doesn't justify Russian invasion)Quote:
Right Sector was the second-most mentioned political group in Russian media during the first half of 2014, and Russian state TV depicted it as neo-Nazi because of its far-right, extremist views and anti-Russian sentiment;[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-kozlowska-32][32][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-bbc-tv-33][33][/url] the Associated Press found no evidence that the group had committed hate crimes.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-danilova-20][20][/url]
So you have any source that is legitimate?
Again, from Russian original sources.OG UNF said:BBCaTmAg said:Ah... so you are going off of what Russia media says?OG UNF said:Second sentence on the wiki page - led Right Sector.aTmAg said:Link to him being a white supremist? His wiki page says nothing about that.OG UNF said:
Found Ukrainian white supremacist Serhiy Sternenko propaganda on the Ukraine strategy thread. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/61595197
Zelensky tried to get him involved in his administration at one point.
Interesting ally, neo-nazi, stabbed a person to death and live streamed it.
(And even if he was a full fledged Hitler incarnate, it still doesn't justify Russian invasion)Quote:
Right Sector was the second-most mentioned political group in Russian media during the first half of 2014, and Russian state TV depicted it as neo-Nazi because of its far-right, extremist views and anti-Russian sentiment;[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-kozlowska-32][32][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-bbc-tv-33][33][/url] the Associated Press found no evidence that the group had committed hate crimes.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-danilova-20][20][/url]
So you have any source that is legitimate?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857
NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/world/europe/ukraine-nationalism-russia-invasion.html
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-rallies-nation-defend-russia-far-right-joins-fight-1684187
Vice
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukraine-far-right
ABC
https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-army-vet-charged-florida-double-murder-remains/story?id=83066233
Amnesty International
United Nations
Oh noes. Not the this.Look it up said:
Propaganda...they went after this too.
aTmAg said:Again, from Russian original sources.OG UNF said:BBCaTmAg said:Ah... so you are going off of what Russia media says?OG UNF said:Second sentence on the wiki page - led Right Sector.aTmAg said:Link to him being a white supremist? His wiki page says nothing about that.OG UNF said:
Found Ukrainian white supremacist Serhiy Sternenko propaganda on the Ukraine strategy thread. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/61595197
Zelensky tried to get him involved in his administration at one point.
Interesting ally, neo-nazi, stabbed a person to death and live streamed it.
(And even if he was a full fledged Hitler incarnate, it still doesn't justify Russian invasion)Quote:
Right Sector was the second-most mentioned political group in Russian media during the first half of 2014, and Russian state TV depicted it as neo-Nazi because of its far-right, extremist views and anti-Russian sentiment;[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-kozlowska-32][32][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-bbc-tv-33][33][/url] the Associated Press found no evidence that the group had committed hate crimes.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-danilova-20][20][/url]
So you have any source that is legitimate?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857
NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/world/europe/ukraine-nationalism-russia-invasion.html
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-rallies-nation-defend-russia-far-right-joins-fight-1684187
Vice
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukraine-far-right
ABC
https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-army-vet-charged-florida-double-murder-remains/story?id=83066233
Amnesty International
United Nations
Provide some EVIDENCE that other than statements like "some say they are Nazis".
And secondly, even IF this were true, how does this justify a Russian invasion?
Old Army Ghost said:so you dont know but made the comparison anywayJay Reimenschneider said:
Look dude. I don't know what to tell you. If you're cool with it, then be cool.
so we just skip your comparisons of russia invading ukraine is like the us invading iraqJay Reimenschneider said:Old Army Ghost said:so you dont know but made the comparison anywayJay Reimenschneider said:
Look dude. I don't know what to tell you. If you're cool with it, then be cool.
You're not getting off that easy. My statement was essentially "if you're willing to believe it, then congrats, you do you."
Old Army Ghost said:so we just skip your comparisons of russia invading ukraine is like the us invading iraqJay Reimenschneider said:Old Army Ghost said:so you dont know but made the comparison anywayJay Reimenschneider said:
Look dude. I don't know what to tell you. If you're cool with it, then be cool.
You're not getting off that easy. My statement was essentially "if you're willing to believe it, then congrats, you do you."
hey you do you
Jay Reimenschneider said:Agthatbuilds said:Jay Reimenschneider said:Agthatbuilds said:
Lol. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm still waiting for you to point out something that I said that's false.
You didn't state any facts, just some word salad of poorly reasoned opinions most made up of logical fallacies.
Alright! Let's do this.
1. It's interesting to see how this is going down. It's oddly familiar to the covid issue: are you going to debate me that we are not seeing an entire thread devoted to this issue and that it has become as safe space where dissenting opinions can be deleted? Similar to the Covid board?
False equivalence
Begging the question
2. We've got a lot of people on here that are extremely passionate about how Russia is bad and Ukraine good. Do we not have this? Are you not passionate? Have you not spent time out of your day to discuss this issue with me?
Ad populum
Begging the question
3. Unfortunately, I think so many are trying to apply the red/blue dichotomy to a rainbow. So you're prepared to say that you are viewing this situation through the lens of an expert or historian that understands the politics framework between Russia and Ukraine and Ukraine and its ethnic Russians? Please.
Appeal to authority
4. I also find it particularly interesting that Russia invaded a sovereign nation. I guess we all forgot about Iraq and he lies about WMDs.You've said they weren't lies. I disagree, and I'm not the only one who would disagree. Regardless, the WMDs were never found. We invaded a sovereign nation on a pretext.
False equivalence
5. Lots of war hawks on here sitting behind their keyboards. Similar to the Q thread or the Covid board, so many experts about tactics and strategy. Are you telling me that's not happening? Go read the thread.
Appeal to authority
No true Scotsman
6. It's actually very pathetic. That's a value judgment. I will acknowledge that as an opinion.
We are talking about people who called Trump and his supporters "nazis". And that white supremecy is the most gravest threat the nation faces (not Islamic terrorists or domestic murder,etc.).OG UNF said:aTmAg said:Again, from Russian original sources.OG UNF said:BBCaTmAg said:Ah... so you are going off of what Russia media says?OG UNF said:Second sentence on the wiki page - led Right Sector.aTmAg said:Link to him being a white supremist? His wiki page says nothing about that.OG UNF said:
Found Ukrainian white supremacist Serhiy Sternenko propaganda on the Ukraine strategy thread. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/61595197
Zelensky tried to get him involved in his administration at one point.
Interesting ally, neo-nazi, stabbed a person to death and live streamed it.
(And even if he was a full fledged Hitler incarnate, it still doesn't justify Russian invasion)Quote:
Right Sector was the second-most mentioned political group in Russian media during the first half of 2014, and Russian state TV depicted it as neo-Nazi because of its far-right, extremist views and anti-Russian sentiment;[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-kozlowska-32][32][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-bbc-tv-33][33][/url] the Associated Press found no evidence that the group had committed hate crimes.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector#cite_note-danilova-20][20][/url]
So you have any source that is legitimate?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857
NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/world/europe/ukraine-nationalism-russia-invasion.html
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-rallies-nation-defend-russia-far-right-joins-fight-1684187
Vice
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukraine-far-right
ABC
https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-army-vet-charged-florida-double-murder-remains/story?id=83066233
Amnesty International
United Nations
Provide some EVIDENCE that other than statements like "some say they are Nazis".
And secondly, even IF this were true, how does this justify a Russian invasion?
US Congress: "Ok, we're passing a law not to give them (Azov Battalion, Right Sector, Other Groups) aid/weapons because they're Nazis."
UN/Amnesty International: "These guys are Nazis, and they've committed war crimes."
BBC/NYT/ABC: "Yep, these dudes are Nazis"
Accused Nazis (Right Sector, Azov): "We're gonna literally wear Nazi SS patches"
You:
Interesting. That Wagner Group is the same one that got shredded by US ordinance in Syria a few years back. Didn't realize they were Neo-Nazis, though. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.htmlpacecar02 said:
There are also Nazi RussiansThe Russian mercenary Wagner Group has been sent to participate in Russia’s “denazification” invasion of Ukraine.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 1, 2022
The groups leader, Dmitry Utkin, literally has the Nazi SS symbol tattooed on him. pic.twitter.com/25Dc0GX7BS
Turn off the western corporate media. The west's deep state ran a coup in 2014 because they didn't want Ukraine partnering with Russia. The deep state and regime that they placed in power promoted these Nazi elements and have used them in their attacks on the break away republics over the last 8 years where thousands and thousands of civilians were killed. These Nazi's have their own battalion for crying out loud. SMH.Mr. Business said:
Nazis are a thing in America too. And Russia. America probably has 10 times as many or more registered members of the KKK as Ukraine has Nazis. Means the same thing there as it does here. Jack squat because it's a tiny minority of morons.
Then we can pick them damn well. He is proving to be the best leader in the world right now. His people LOVE the crap out of him. We should assign as many such puppets as we can. The world would be a much better place.W. T. Effington said:
Zelenski is a puppet of the west. Asov Battalion. You should look it up.
W. T. Effington said:
Zelenski is a puppet of the west. Asov Battalion. You should look it up.
Wait, I thought he was Soros' puppet.W. T. Effington said:
Zelenski is a puppet of the west. Asov Battalion. You should look it up.
Perhaps they are one in the same.torrid said:Wait, I thought he was Soros' puppet.W. T. Effington said:
Zelenski is a puppet of the west. Asov Battalion. You should look it up.
I fail to see the virtue in leading your people down the primrose path to destruction in the service of a foreign country's aim of world domination. Also, why do you believe that the average ukranian loves him?aTmAg said:Then we can pick them damn well. He is proving to be the best leader in the world right now. His people LOVE the crap out of him. We should assign as many such puppets as we can. The world would be a much better place.W. T. Effington said:
Zelenski is a puppet of the west. Asov Battalion. You should look it up.
(And if you think the people of Ukraine want to side with Russia, then you haven't been paying attention. If anything the PRO-Russian guy prior was the puppet.)
W. T. Effington said:I fail to see the virtue in leading your people down the primrose path to destruction in the service of a foreign country's aim of world domination. Also, why do you believe that the average ukranian loves him?aTmAg said:Then we can pick them damn well. He is proving to be the best leader in the world right now. His people LOVE the crap out of him. We should assign as many such puppets as we can. The world would be a much better place.W. T. Effington said:
Zelenski is a puppet of the west. Asov Battalion. You should look it up.
(And if you think the people of Ukraine want to side with Russia, then you haven't been paying attention. If anything the PRO-Russian guy prior was the puppet.)
The fact that the west's deep state has so many puppet's around the world is the very reason why the world is in the **** storm right now.
Let me ask you this: would the average ukranian not be in a better position if the puppet Ukranian regime would have simply agreed to Russia's terms years ago instead of following the orders of the US deep state?
This is like The Debt's 3rd sock now.W. T. Effington said:I fail to see the virtue in leading your people down the primrose path to destruction in the service of a foreign country's aim of world domination. Also, why do you believe that the average ukranian loves him?aTmAg said:Then we can pick them damn well. He is proving to be the best leader in the world right now. His people LOVE the crap out of him. We should assign as many such puppets as we can. The world would be a much better place.W. T. Effington said:
Zelenski is a puppet of the west. Asov Battalion. You should look it up.
(And if you think the people of Ukraine want to side with Russia, then you haven't been paying attention. If anything the PRO-Russian guy prior was the puppet.)
The fact that the west's deep state has so many puppet's around the world is the very reason why the world is in the **** storm right now.
Let me ask you this: would the average ukranian not be in a better position if the puppet Ukranian regime would have simply agreed to Russia's terms years ago instead of following the orders of the US deep state?
