Agthatbuilds said:Jay Reimenschneider said:
It's far easier to use a predetermined emoji than to respond, huh?
It warrants nothing more
Incorrect info != liesJay Reimenschneider said:
It's interesting to see how this is going down. It's oddly familiar to the covid issue. We've got a lot of people on here that are extremely passionate about how Russia is bad and Ukraine good.
Unfortunately, I think so many are trying to apply the red/blue dichotomy to a rainbow. I also find it particularly interesting that Russia invaded a sovereign nation. I guess we all forgot about Iraq and he lies about WMDs.
Lots of war hawks on here sitting behind their keyboards. Similar to the Q thread or the Covid board, so many experts about tactics and strategy. It's actually very pathetic.
aTmAg said:You were fine with paying them terrorism money in exchange for waiting a few minutes on their nuke program. That just goes to show how wrong you are on every foreign policy decision. Biden wrong. Which is about as wrong as it gets.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Speaking of.. didn't you also defend Obama sending pallets of money to IRAN. How many ways can you be so laughably wrong? If Canada invaded us, would you defend Canada too?Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Did he point out somebody who was being an obvious idiot on foreign policy? If so, then in that aspect I am acting just like him. But that would be the only similarity.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Clearly you do say WHATEVER you want. No matter how much you embarrass yourself. (And I never voted for John McCain)Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:You can't call anybody wrong on foreign policy ever. That is like Biden calling Milton Friedman an idiot on economics.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:The point was that it was so OBVIOUSLY wrong. The entire world was predicting the invasion. Except you.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:It's clearly not MY feelings aren't hurt. Your foolish opinions need to be broadcast to the world so newcomers know to ignore you.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Maybe you are as wrong about that as you were about Russia never setting foot in Ukraine.Aggie4Life02 said:
Maybe both sides in the Ukraine/Russia war are a-holes. Just a thought.
You should run away for a year or two. Maybe people will forget.
No thanks. Feel free to hit the ignore button if I hurt your feelings.
Sorry, Nostradamus. I didn't realize you've never made a wrong prediction. Didn't realize that makes me the black sheep in your book. I admitted I was wrong about that. It doesn't mean I'm wrong here or about everything else. That's just a way for you to rationalize your own BS opinions to yourself.
Go see a shrink and deal with your own insecurities.
If you are that wrong about THAT, then you clearly are wrong about lots of other FP things.
Warmongers so wrong about war that they have to constantly create false flags and lie to get wars started. Now they finally get one right and think they are vindicated. Every squirrel finds his nut now and again. Great job.
I can do whatever the F I want, John McCain.
You sure as $#!+ act like him.
You probably voted for Obama, now that I think about it.
Iran invaded us? Why would they invade us when we destroyed their Sunni enemies in Iraq and handed them over the entire country.
Seriously. Who did you vote for in 2008?
(And I wrote in Peter Schiff)
aTmAg said:Incorrect info != liesJay Reimenschneider said:
It's interesting to see how this is going down. It's oddly familiar to the covid issue. We've got a lot of people on here that are extremely passionate about how Russia is bad and Ukraine good.
Unfortunately, I think so many are trying to apply the red/blue dichotomy to a rainbow. I also find it particularly interesting that Russia invaded a sovereign nation. I guess we all forgot about Iraq and he lies about WMDs.
Lots of war hawks on here sitting behind their keyboards. Similar to the Q thread or the Covid board, so many experts about tactics and strategy. It's actually very pathetic.
It's a lie for democrats (and you) to call that a lie. Democrat and Republican politicians alike were talking about Saddam's WMDs prior to the war. It wasn't until afterwards that democrats pretended they never said it themselves and started calling W a "liar".
I think Saddam's underlings and scientists were lying to him about WMDs so they they didn't get lowered feet first into wood chippers like Saddam did with others who disappointed him. And that our intel was getting that info.
Agthatbuilds said:
Lol. Whatever floats your boat.
Dude is stinking rich by correctly predicting the Dot-com and housing crisis. He hasn't been wrong on anything.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:You were fine with paying them terrorism money in exchange for waiting a few minutes on their nuke program. That just goes to show how wrong you are on every foreign policy decision. Biden wrong. Which is about as wrong as it gets.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Speaking of.. didn't you also defend Obama sending pallets of money to IRAN. How many ways can you be so laughably wrong? If Canada invaded us, would you defend Canada too?Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Did he point out somebody who was being an obvious idiot on foreign policy? If so, then in that aspect I am acting just like him. But that would be the only similarity.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Clearly you do say WHATEVER you want. No matter how much you embarrass yourself. (And I never voted for John McCain)Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:You can't call anybody wrong on foreign policy ever. That is like Biden calling Milton Friedman an idiot on economics.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:The point was that it was so OBVIOUSLY wrong. The entire world was predicting the invasion. Except you.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:It's clearly not MY feelings aren't hurt. Your foolish opinions need to be broadcast to the world so newcomers know to ignore you.Aggie4Life02 said:aTmAg said:Maybe you are as wrong about that as you were about Russia never setting foot in Ukraine.Aggie4Life02 said:
Maybe both sides in the Ukraine/Russia war are a-holes. Just a thought.
You should run away for a year or two. Maybe people will forget.
No thanks. Feel free to hit the ignore button if I hurt your feelings.
Sorry, Nostradamus. I didn't realize you've never made a wrong prediction. Didn't realize that makes me the black sheep in your book. I admitted I was wrong about that. It doesn't mean I'm wrong here or about everything else. That's just a way for you to rationalize your own BS opinions to yourself.
Go see a shrink and deal with your own insecurities.
If you are that wrong about THAT, then you clearly are wrong about lots of other FP things.
Warmongers so wrong about war that they have to constantly create false flags and lie to get wars started. Now they finally get one right and think they are vindicated. Every squirrel finds his nut now and again. Great job.
I can do whatever the F I want, John McCain.
You sure as $#!+ act like him.
You probably voted for Obama, now that I think about it.
Iran invaded us? Why would they invade us when we destroyed their Sunni enemies in Iraq and handed them over the entire country.
Seriously. Who did you vote for in 2008?
(And I wrote in Peter Schiff)
Seriously? Peter Schiff, the gold bug who has literally been wrong about everything he has ever predicted?
So you are either ignorant or are a liar. Democrats were talking about WMDs before W ever got elected and during:Jay Reimenschneider said:aTmAg said:Incorrect info != liesJay Reimenschneider said:
It's interesting to see how this is going down. It's oddly familiar to the covid issue. We've got a lot of people on here that are extremely passionate about how Russia is bad and Ukraine good.
Unfortunately, I think so many are trying to apply the red/blue dichotomy to a rainbow. I also find it particularly interesting that Russia invaded a sovereign nation. I guess we all forgot about Iraq and he lies about WMDs.
Lots of war hawks on here sitting behind their keyboards. Similar to the Q thread or the Covid board, so many experts about tactics and strategy. It's actually very pathetic.
It's a lie for democrats (and you) to call that a lie. Democrat and Republican politicians alike were talking about Saddam's WMDs prior to the war. It wasn't until afterwards that democrats pretended they never said it themselves and started calling W a "liar".
I think Saddam's underlings and scientists were lying to him about WMDs so they they didn't get lowered feet first into wood chippers like Saddam did with others who disappointed him. And that our intel was getting that info.
So know we are going to pretend that it was "incorrect" information and not a lie? How many US soldiers or Iraqis are dead or disabled because of that lie?
Not a democrat. Supported Bush and the war. But, I learned that my government can lie to me.
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Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002
"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002
"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)
I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
Jay Reimenschneider said:Agthatbuilds said:
Lol. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm still waiting for you to point out something that I said that's false.
In this context, intent is EVERYTHING. Saddam absolutely provoked the US over and over. He invaded Kuwait, tried to assassinate a former US president, shot at US aircraft in violation of their cease fire agreement, violated inspections in violation of that agreement, and much more. THAT ALONE was enough to punish him. Us thinking he had WMDs was the huge cherry on top, because a tyrant who has no problem invading neighboring nations should NEVER have nukes. That is why we are okay with France having nukes but not Saddam.Jay Reimenschneider said:
You were using the invasion of a sovereign nation as a basis for Russia being evil. I showed you that we also invaded a sovereign nation. Our invasion was based on pretext...whether intentional or unintentional, the result was the same.
It is every bit as cut and dry as who was wrong in Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. Very few wars in our lifetime is as cut and dry as this one.Quote:
Let's just not try to pretend this is cut and dry, black and white the way it has been packaged by the media.
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Asking a question or pointing out that somethings don't add up doesn't = support for Putin.
aTmAg said:So you are either ignorant or are a liar. Democrats were talking about WMDs before W ever got elected and during:Jay Reimenschneider said:aTmAg said:Incorrect info != liesJay Reimenschneider said:
It's interesting to see how this is going down. It's oddly familiar to the covid issue. We've got a lot of people on here that are extremely passionate about how Russia is bad and Ukraine good.
Unfortunately, I think so many are trying to apply the red/blue dichotomy to a rainbow. I also find it particularly interesting that Russia invaded a sovereign nation. I guess we all forgot about Iraq and he lies about WMDs.
Lots of war hawks on here sitting behind their keyboards. Similar to the Q thread or the Covid board, so many experts about tactics and strategy. It's actually very pathetic.
It's a lie for democrats (and you) to call that a lie. Democrat and Republican politicians alike were talking about Saddam's WMDs prior to the war. It wasn't until afterwards that democrats pretended they never said it themselves and started calling W a "liar".
I think Saddam's underlings and scientists were lying to him about WMDs so they they didn't get lowered feet first into wood chippers like Saddam did with others who disappointed him. And that our intel was getting that info.
So know we are going to pretend that it was "incorrect" information and not a lie? How many US soldiers or Iraqis are dead or disabled because of that lie?
Not a democrat. Supported Bush and the war. But, I learned that my government can lie to me.Quote:
Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002
"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002
"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)
I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
Then these same jackasses turned around around and called W a "liar" after THEY said the EXACT SAME THINGS FOR YEARS.
So yeah, it's likely that BOTH sides were going off of incorrect information.
Now that you know... Every subsequent assertion by you that W was "lying" is itself a lie.
Agthatbuilds said:Jay Reimenschneider said:Agthatbuilds said:
Lol. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm still waiting for you to point out something that I said that's false.
You didn't state any facts, just some word salad of poorly reasoned opinions most made up of logical fallacies.
It's not "propaganda" that Russia invaded a neighboring nation without cause. That is obvious to anybody with more than one brain cell.Jay Reimenschneider said:
I guess my point this that making up your mind on an issue that very likely could lead to WW3 based on propaganda (from either side), probably isn't a wise decision.
I feel comfortable in saying "I don't know what I don't know." I wish more people could say that.
aTmAg said:
Good God dude. You are a step away from 9/11 truther. Do you think that was an inside job?
Jay Reimenschneider said:
I guess my point this that making up your mind on an issue that very likely could lead to WW3 based on propaganda (from either side), probably isn't a wise decision.
I feel comfortable in saying "I don't know what I don't know." I wish more people could say that.
Did Ukraine attack Russia or even threaten to? No? Then there is no legitimate cause for Russia to attack Ukraine.Jay Reimenschneider said:
Continue with the ad hominem attacks there buddy. It only shows that your argument is based in emotion. Just because you elect to ignore the "cause" for their invasion doesn't mean it doesn't exist in their eyes...the same way some in the world probably saw our "cause" for invading Iraq.
You should be careful about how your opinions cannot be wrong.
how many un resolutions was ukraine violating since you are comparing them to iraqJay Reimenschneider said:
Continue with the ad hominem attacks there buddy. It only shows that your argument is based in emotion. Just because you elect to ignore the "cause" for their invasion doesn't mean it doesn't exist in their eyes...the same way some in the world probably saw our "cause" for invading Iraq.
You should be careful about how your opinions cannot be wrong.
so you dont know but made the comparison anywayJay Reimenschneider said:
Look dude. I don't know what to tell you. If you're cool with it, then be cool.
Mr. Business said:
Nazis are a thing in America too. And Russia. America probably has 10 times as many or more registered members of the KKK as Ukraine has Nazis. Means the same thing there as it does here. Jack squat because it's a tiny minority of morons.
Year of the Germaphobe said:New World Ag said:Where are you seeing leftists supporting Putin? All I've seen are the most hardcore Q believers and conspiracy theorists. Here and on FB...I have two friends there spouting all this Russian propaganda and they are the biggest Q nuts, are also 9/11 truthers and one believes the Apollo moon landings were faked.nortex97 said:
There's a lot of false information about nazi's in Ukraine.
Disappointingly, many fall for that type of propaganda based on some pictures online, like in the OP. It's unsurprising that the generally dimmer bulbs among us who believe all of this also happen to be leftists politically, who support socialism themselves/voted for Brandon etc.
In many ways they are victims, not necessarily dimmer bulbs. They fall down a rabbit hole of false information and get brainwashed, similar to radical Muslims.
You literally made all that up.
Still waiting for an explanation, please.Quote:
What makes you think that?
