OG UNF said:

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Ok I understand now. In summary from the responses.

We already know there are Nazis in the Ukrainian military and government, they are evil, they have been a problem for years. We are fine arming them, even though it was banned by an act of Congress.

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Who said we were arming them?

Whoa, whoa careful now.

That kinda language might get a thread deleted or permabanned like admin errors

Better be careful if you had added an angry emoticon you could've gotten a temp ban!

Is this AE's new sock?

CanyonAg77 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Ok I understand now. In summary from the responses.

We already know there are Nazis in the Ukrainian military and government, they are evil, they have been a problem for years. We are fine arming them, even though it was banned by an act of Congress.

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Who said we were arming them?

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To the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to up over a billion apparently.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/8/biden-plays-into-putins-lies-by-arming-neo-nazis-i/

OG UNF said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Ok I understand now. In summary from the responses.

We already know there are Nazis in the Ukrainian military and government, they are evil, they have been a problem for years. We are fine arming them, even though it was banned by an act of Congress.

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Who said we were arming them?

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To the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to up over a billion apparently.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/8/biden-plays-into-putins-lies-by-arming-neo-nazis-i/

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Your link doesn't say that

TyHolden said:

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GAC06 said:

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I love good ole Russian propaganda. Same guy will deny that there were Nazis at the Capitol on Jan 6th

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I agree. It was a lib-manufactured event. Rednecks would have been armed.

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Libs, Feds, same difference.

CanyonAg77 said:

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OG UNF said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Ok I understand now. In summary from the responses.

We already know there are Nazis in the Ukrainian military and government, they are evil, they have been a problem for years. We are fine arming them, even though it was banned by an act of Congress.

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Who said we were arming them?

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To the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to up over a billion apparently.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/8/biden-plays-into-putins-lies-by-arming-neo-nazis-i/

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Your link doesn't say that

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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said Monday that Congress is working on a $12 billion aid package for Ukraine as a response to the Russian invasion, which includes financial assistance for refugees, medical supplies and weapons transfers to Ukraine. A senior defense official said last week that the U.S. has already given more than $1 billion in military aid to Ukraine in the past year.

"The consequences of flooding Ukraine with billion dollars in [American] weapons, likely not limited to just military-specific equipment but also including small arms + ammo, are unpredictable & likely disastrous," she wrote, adding a claim that such donations "are given to paramilitary groups w/out accountability."

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Jayhawk said:

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Well golly I guess we just need to take our newfound ambiguity and sit down and stop helping these Ukrainains. Thanks for straightening us out Mr. Ivan.

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Right, this is cool and shouldn't be discussed. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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Every Nation has fringe elements and crazies. Most of the folks here know that. We also know a propagandist when we see one. Paint a whole nation with a few pics and call its invasion justified. No thanks

Ag06Law said:

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More Russian propaganda on this site. Either you people are doing this intentionally, or you're too dumb to realize that you're unwittingly doing Putin's work for him. Neither is a good thing.

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These people are not dumb they just want their own autocratic despot who helps people like them while oppressing people not like them.

OG UNF said:

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Ok I understand now. In summary from the responses.

We already know there are Nazis in the Ukrainian military and government, they are evil, they have been a problem for years. We are fine arming them, even though it was banned by an act of Congress.

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Have you contacted your senators or rep?

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Well golly I guess we just need to take our newfound ambiguity and sit down and stop helping these Ukrainains. Thanks for straightening us out Mr. Ivan.

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I don't think that's what he was implying..

Is it honest and accurate to state that there at least appears to be some unsavory Nazi aligned interest within Ukraine? YES.

Is it clearly a violation of Ukraine's territorial sovereignty for Putin/Russia to invade?
YES

Both are TRUE and concurrent facts.

Good grief...... Is anyone capable of seeing any nuance at all in this situation?

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Yes and lots of it. Little about any of this makes sense. But the OP's intent is not nuanced.

This is why I don't think we should get involved with the conflict. Ukraine's government is corrupt and more and more evidence comes to light everyday about the bioweapons labs, the money laundering, human trafficking, Neo-Nazis, etc. Why do you think the Bidens are over there? It's a distraction from what's going on at home.

We get it. You support the "insert current thing". So nobody better pay attention to these patches.

aTmAg said:

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current thing = peaceful nation that was invaded.

That shouldn't be a hard thing to side with.

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Yep. This little fact takes precedence over anything else. Pretty simple.

ttu_85 said:

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aTmAg said:

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current thing = peaceful nation that was invaded.

That shouldn't be a hard thing to side with.

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Yep. This little fact takes precedence over anything else. Pretty simple.

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It's just the president's son on the board of Ukraine gas company.
It's just a little corruption.
It's just Biden threatening to withhold aid if they done get a Ukrainian prosecutor removed.
It's just a few sex traffickers.
It's just a few bio labs.
It's just a few actually literal Nazis in the military and government.

We support the current thing!

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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This is why I don't think we should get involved with the conflict. Ukraine's government is corrupt and more and more evidence comes to light everyday about the bioweapons labs, the money laundering, human trafficking, Neo-Nazis, etc. Why do you think the Bidens are over there? It's a distraction from what's going on at home.

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Nobody on the right is cutting Biden a break. The guy is an incompetent idiot and a slime bag. That's not changed. It is however a separate issue from Putin using force to recreate the Russian Empire.

Op is irrational at best...

There's a lot of false information about nazi's in Ukraine.

Disappointingly, many fall for that type of propaganda based on some pictures online, like in the OP. It's unsurprising that the generally dimmer bulbs among us who believe all of this also happen to be leftists politically, who support socialism themselves/voted for Brandon etc.

OG UNF said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aTmAg said:

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current thing = peaceful nation that was invaded.

That shouldn't be a hard thing to side with.

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Yep. This little fact takes precedence over anything else. Pretty simple.

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It's just the president's son on the board of Ukraine gas company.
It's just a little corruption.
It's just Biden threatening to withhold aid if they done get a Ukrainian prosecutor removed.
It's just a few sex traffickers.
It's just a few bio labs.
It's just a few actually literal Nazis in the military and government.

We support the current thing!

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What's your solution?

Ag06Law said:

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More Russian propaganda on this site. Either you people are doing this intentionally, or you're too dumb to realize that you're unwittingly doing Putin's work for him. Neither is a good thing.

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It makes one wonder if any of those pushing this Russian propaganda were also part of the crowd chanting "Putin! Putin! Putin!" at AFPAC. Regardless, if they trying to support Putin in this or any way, they're on the wrong side of humanity and history.

OG UNF said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aTmAg said:

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current thing = peaceful nation that was invaded.

That shouldn't be a hard thing to side with.

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Yep. This little fact takes precedence over anything else. Pretty simple.

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(sum(justificationForInvasion) = {It's just the president's son on the board of Ukraine gas company.
It's just a little corruption.
It's just Biden threatening to withhold aid if they done get a Ukrainian prosecutor removed.
It's just a few sex traffickers.
It's just a few bio labs.
It's just a few actually literal Nazis in the military and government.})

!= We support the current thing!

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Like I said pretty simple and its not even close.

Are you saying these bullet points justify invading another country and putting the world on the edge of the nuclear knife? If so we better be prepared to take over the world or burn it down.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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OG UNF said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aTmAg said:

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current thing = peaceful nation that was invaded.

That shouldn't be a hard thing to side with.

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Yep. This little fact takes precedence over anything else. Pretty simple.

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It's just the president's son on the board of Ukraine gas company.
It's just a little corruption.
It's just Biden threatening to withhold aid if they done get a Ukrainian prosecutor removed.
It's just a few sex traffickers.
It's just a few bio labs.
It's just a few actually literal Nazis in the military and government.

We support the current thing!

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What's your solution?

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Capital investment in US shale, convince Germany to shut in Nordstream pipeline, do our due diligence, and stop funding other peoples wars with American tax dollars.

Maybe both sides in the Ukraine/Russia war are a-holes. Just a thought.

OG UNF said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aTmAg said:

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current thing = peaceful nation that was invaded.

That shouldn't be a hard thing to side with.

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Yep. This little fact takes precedence over anything else. Pretty simple.

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It's just the president's son on the board of Ukraine gas company.
It's just a little corruption.
It's just Biden threatening to withhold aid if they done get a Ukrainian prosecutor removed.
It's just a few sex traffickers.
It's just a few bio labs.
It's just a few actually literal Nazis in the military and government.

We support the current thing!

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We support peaceful nations who get invaded. That's what smart and virtuous people do.

And Russia didn't invade because of Hunter Biden.

Aggie4Life02 said:

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Maybe both sides in the Ukraine/Russia war are a-holes. Just a thought.

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Maybe you are as wrong about that as you were about Russia never setting foot in Ukraine.

You should run away for a year or two. Maybe people will forget.

FIDO95 said:

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The militias on the east side of Ukraine have been problematic for a long time. The video above is from 3 years ago. The Ukrainian government funded the militias and the Russian government funded the separatists in a proxy war. You could have made an argument, given the day of the week, which group was more morally justified. That moral ambiguity ended when Russia invaded a sovereign nation.

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Russia invaded a sovereign country then, too. Crimea wasnt Russia's in 2014. There little green man invasion wasn't, and still isnt, legal or moral.

It doesn't matter if there was a few citizens apart of a separatist movement. Crimea was not and is not Russia's to have. I'm sure you don't give any texit supporters the legal or moral edge just as Russian separatist don't have moral authority here.

Turns out appeasing putin helped get Ukraine to where they are today. That is nearly always how appeasement works out.

aTmAg said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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Maybe both sides in the Ukraine/Russia war are a-holes. Just a thought.

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Maybe you are as wrong about that as you were about Russia never setting foot in Ukraine.

You should run away for a year or two. Maybe people will forget.

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No thanks. Feel free to hit the ignore button if I hurt your feelings.

OG UNF said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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OG UNF said:

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ttu_85 said:

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aTmAg said:

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current thing = peaceful nation that was invaded.

That shouldn't be a hard thing to side with.

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Yep. This little fact takes precedence over anything else. Pretty simple.

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It's just the president's son on the board of Ukraine gas company.
It's just a little corruption.
It's just Biden threatening to withhold aid if they done get a Ukrainian prosecutor removed.
It's just a few sex traffickers.
It's just a few bio labs.
It's just a few actually literal Nazis in the military and government.

We support the current thing!

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What's your solution?

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Capital investment in US shale, convince Germany to shut in Nordstream pipeline, do our due diligence, and stop funding other peoples wars with American tax dollars.

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Cool - we can't do anything about 2, not really sure what 3 even means from a practical standpoint, so it sounds like your solution is to do absolutely nothing while Putin invades and murders a few thousand civilians.

Aggie4Life02 said:

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Maybe both sides in the Ukraine/Russia war are a-holes. Just a thought.

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It's fine to both be *******s. It's not fine when one group of *******s invade a sovereign nation of *******s.

Aggie4Life02 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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Maybe both sides in the Ukraine/Russia war are a-holes. Just a thought.

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Maybe you are as wrong about that as you were about Russia never setting foot in Ukraine.

You should run away for a year or two. Maybe people will forget.

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No thanks. Feel free to hit the ignore button if I hurt your feelings.

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It's clearly not MY feelings aren't hurt. Your foolish opinions need to be broadcast to the world so newcomers know to ignore you. (Everybody else already does)