Some guy sat on this for 21 years and finally posted it in the last few days. Never seen this angle before and it has even captured the reactions of many people that were watching as the second plane hit.

The one thing I noticed is the lack of cursing. Has language really changed that much in 20 years?

Yeah just watching the video got a loud "HFS" out of me.

Unfortunately that day changed so much more than acceptable language. It really set off the slow drip of acquiescing privacy and civil liberties in the name of "safety".

1872walker said:

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Unfortunately that day changed so much more than acceptable language. It really set off the slow drip of acquiescing privacy and civil liberties in the name of "safety".

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People freely give up their privacy and civil liberties to big tech. That has a much bigger impact than any laws written in the name of national security have done.

Yes language has change that much.

That is an insane view. How did it never show up before this?

I've never seen that angle.

SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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Unfortunately that day changed so much more than acceptable language. It really set off the slow drip of acquiescing privacy and civil liberties in the name of "safety".

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People freely give up their privacy and civil liberties to big tech. That has a much bigger impact than any laws written in the name of national security have done.

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That's certainly part of it but your point leans more towards a personal decision based upon an acceptable trade off for the individual. However, the breadth of abuses by government agencies that the Patriot Act (and it's progeny) have brought forth go way beyond an individuals free will.

Big tech and the government are partners. Their goals are different but it's a mutually beneficial relationship. Sure most are willing to give up a lot of privacy as a trade off to convenience, but through the Patriot Act and mass surveillance programs and technologies, it's far more complicated than a willing decision on the part of a private citizen.

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That is an insane view. How did it never show up before this?

I've never seen that angle.

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Did you read the OP? No one has

That's a hell of a hologram

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AgResearch said:

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That is an insane view. How did it never show up before this?

I've never seen that angle.

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Did you read the OP? No one has

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Yes. Hence my surprise that could actually happen

AlaskanAg99 said:

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Yes language has change that much.

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My language has changed a lot in just the past 13 months. I seriously don't think I used to say "****ing moron" as frequently as I do these days.

1872walker said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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Unfortunately that day changed so much more than acceptable language. It really set off the slow drip of acquiescing privacy and civil liberties in the name of "safety".

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People freely give up their privacy and civil liberties to big tech. That has a much bigger impact than any laws written in the name of national security have done.

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Big tech and the government are partners. Their goals are different but it's a mutually beneficial relationship. Sure most are willing to give up a lot of privacy as a trade off to convenience, but through the Patriot Act and mass surveillance programs and technologies, it's far more complicated than a willing decision on the part of a private citizen.

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My point is Big tech is a mass surveillance program, larger than anything the government has. People willfully participate in it regardless of the level of cooperation with the government.

That makes me sick all over again.

SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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Unfortunately that day changed so much more than acceptable language. It really set off the slow drip of acquiescing privacy and civil liberties in the name of "safety".

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People freely give up their privacy and civil liberties to big tech. That has a much bigger impact than any laws written in the name of national security have done.

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Big tech and the government are partners. Their goals are different but it's a mutually beneficial relationship. Sure most are willing to give up a lot of privacy as a trade off to convenience, but through the Patriot Act and mass surveillance programs and technologies, it's far more complicated than a willing decision on the part of a private citizen.

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My point is Big tech is a mass surveillance program, larger than anything the government has. People willfully participate in it regardless of the level of cooperation with the government.

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This.
It doesn't bother most that their privacy is compromised and their personal information is there for the taking for anyone.
They've been conditioned to see this as normal and it doesn't bother them in the least.
Scary as hell

The thing about memorable dates and Bush's...

SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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Unfortunately that day changed so much more than acceptable language. It really set off the slow drip of acquiescing privacy and civil liberties in the name of "safety".

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People freely give up their privacy and civil liberties to big tech. That has a much bigger impact than any laws written in the name of national security have done.

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Big tech and the government are partners. Their goals are different but it's a mutually beneficial relationship. Sure most are willing to give up a lot of privacy as a trade off to convenience, but through the Patriot Act and mass surveillance programs and technologies, it's far more complicated than a willing decision on the part of a private citizen.

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My point is Big tech is a mass surveillance program, larger than anything the government has. People willfully participate in it regardless of the level of cooperation with the government.

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Big tech is not separate from the government. They are the collection person for the government.

I understand your point but again it goes far deeper. You're willingly walking down the street in a major city. So is having your face scanned and put into a database an acceptable trade off for participation in society?

Is having the metadata of every phone call you make from your landline an acceptable trade off for being able to call your relatives in a different state?

Yes. Big tech is a problem. Yes. They are allowed to collect data that helps their bottom lines by way of individuals willing to use products from Google and the like that make their daily life easier.

But these are all technologies that are allowed by policies enacted by our government as a reaction of this terrible day and are contrary to the spirit of the Constitution if not the letter.

It's one thing to make a decision to allow a tech company have a digital record of your life by clicking "Accept" on a EULA". It's completely different to have your own government take that data (and far more) without your knowledge or consent. Often times illegally and always without recourse.

Hence why I made the distinction in my initial post between privacy (big tech) and civil liberties (our own government).

Government is enabling the abuses by tech companies when they should be restricting them.

The opportunity the globalist needed to begin the great reset planning. Now media and tech are arms of the government's around the world. Had DJT not come out of no where we may have been subjugated by now, instead he forced them to pull out all the stops, steal an election., weaponize multiple movements to create division and go for it all.

Now we have Canada/Russia disasters removing the scales from those blinded to the growth of monstrous governments lead by weak men and truckers and Ukraine uniting the world against them.

I have slowly gained confidence that for perhaps the first time in history the cycle of bondage may be stopped before we get there. The leaders of governments, their lapdog medias and evil big business/tech are exposed as our enemy and we can see every single hypocrisy exposed in real time. We can see how we can all unite and stop them in their tracks.

What a wild 20 years and the next 10 are pivotal. You can feel it all coming to a head everywhere you look. Pray for a peaceful resolution but prepare for a violent one, it's time for strong men.

Interesting how people resort to the only thing that matters when witnessing something like that: "My Lord, My God, Lord God." Maybe we should be saying that everyday.

That terrorist nearly missed the second twin tower hit.

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SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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1872walker said:

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Unfortunately that day changed so much more than acceptable language. It really set off the slow drip of acquiescing privacy and civil liberties in the name of "safety".

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People freely give up their privacy and civil liberties to big tech. That has a much bigger impact than any laws written in the name of national security have done.

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Big tech and the government are partners. Their goals are different but it's a mutually beneficial relationship. Sure most are willing to give up a lot of privacy as a trade off to convenience, but through the Patriot Act and mass surveillance programs and technologies, it's far more complicated than a willing decision on the part of a private citizen.

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My point is Big tech is a mass surveillance program, larger than anything the government has. People willfully participate in it regardless of the level of cooperation with the government.

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Big tech is not separate from the government. They are the collection person for the government.

I understand your point but again it goes far deeper. You're willingly walking down the street in a major city. So is having your face scanned and put into a database an acceptable trade off for participation in society?

Is having the metadata of every phone call you make from your landline an acceptable trade off for being able to call your relatives in a different state?

Yes. Big tech is a problem. Yes. They are allowed to collect data that helps their bottom lines by way of individuals willing to use products from Google and the like that make their daily life easier.

But these are all technologies that are allowed by policies enacted by our government as a reaction of this terrible day and are contrary to the spirit of the Constitution if not the letter.

It's one thing to make a decision to allow a tech company have a digital record of your life by clicking "Accept" on a EULA". It's completely different to have your own government take that data (and far more) without your knowledge or consent. Often times illegally and always without recourse.

Hence why I made the distinction in my initial post between privacy (big tech) and civil liberties (our own government).

Government is enabling the abuses by tech companies when they should be restricting them.

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I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, but I don't think you've gone far enough as it relates to big tech. Their bottom lines are secondary to their overarching goal. We are on the fast track to being a completely controlled society thanks to the big tech/government incestuous relationship and it wouldn't be possible without big tech's money and insidious data grab.

I get it. Big tech is able to do this bc of the policies (or lack thereof) from legislators. But make no mistake. They are the architects and financiers of this impending disaster.

I'd also like to add that this is an apolitical topic. Both sides are contributing to and fighting against it.

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That terrorist nearly missed the second twin tower hit.

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You are right it looked like it was mostly just the wing!

Those engines were screaming.

I was on a 737 on an unscheduled flight from Newark to JFK (July 1, 2017) and it hit me how low we flew over the city.
Nowhere near that fast though. We were flaps down the whole way.

Seen some of the comments? People saying that you can see interior explosions from "pre-placed" items and that it reveals it was a different plane. There are some loonies out there.

The entire video nobody actually says "this is a terrorist attack" or anything suggesting that's what this was. How much have we changed? That's our first assumption with a lot of things that happen today. Any kind of shooting, car driven into a crowd, we assume terrorism. Obviously not the case that day.

Trust the Science

BAP Enthusiast said:

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Some guy sat on this for 21 years and finally posted it in the last few days. Never seen this angle before and it has even captured the reactions of many people that were watching as the second plane hit.

The one thing I noticed is the lack of cursing. Has language really changed that much in 20 years?

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Even after 21 years, this still pisses me off to no end.

F all enemies of the USA, including the current admin.

Sadly, as bad as that was, it's nothing compared to the damage the left has done to the country since. White guilt, gender pronouns, fake news, big tech censoring, CRT, climate alarmism, election cheating bills, etc etc.

why does 9/11 bring out the crazies

That was my big takeaway from this. Everybody's response was closer to "wow that was crazy. I can't believe he did that," instead of "we are under attack!!!!!"

The 90s were a different time. A decade of relative peace and blissful ignorance between the Cold War and the War on Terror resulted in people not even considering that it was an attack.

I don't agree with y'all about language changing since then. You are only hearing the comments of a couple of guys, not the entire population. There are lots of people, even today, that never cuss. They say Oh my Lord or something similar. You probably just don't hang out with them very often (neither do I, FWIW) because they are far more wholesome & religious than we are!

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Trust the Science

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What the heck did I just watch?

They didn't believe we could be.

The most common first thought after the first plane seemed to be, "How could this happen?" After the second plane, "Why would someone do this on purpose?"

I heard the same news rolling down the hall in Aston when I opened the door to get The Eagle. (I think I saved that copy somewhere) My suitemate walked over and calmly said, "Turn on the news, we're under attack." I turned it on about the time this video jumps.

Wow.

But. I would've cussed then and then again today.

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LiberalHIvemind said:

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Trust the Science

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What the heck did I just watch?

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How did you finish watching. I was 2 .47 into it and he started erasing the bldgs again and mumbling even more

Can you quickly summarize or not even worth the print to summarize

TexasRebel said:

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They didn't believe we could be.

The most common first thought after the first plane seemed to be, "How could this happen?" After the second plane, "Why would someone do this on purpose?"

I heard the same news rolling down the hall in Aston when I opened the door to get The Eagle. (I think I saved that copy somewhere) My suitemate walked over and calmly said, "Turn on the news, we're under attack." I turned it on about the time this video jumps.

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I'll never forget that morning. Turned on the tv while getting ready for work. The first plane had just hit, but the news thought it was an accident by some recreational pilot. I finished getting ready for work and headed out. I was listening to one of the Houston morning shows on the drive. I was at a red light in front of the Galleria and one of the radio guys say "we've just received word that a second plane has hit the second tower. (Pause) Ladies and gentlemen, we're at war."

Still get chills.

Completely agree on the language. Some of y'all are painting a nostalgic picture that didn't exist. I didn't watch the whole video but I heard some F bombs. Furthermore there are PLENTY of other 9/11 videos out there in which the foul language is on full display. It was 2001, not 1951.

And while incredible that video just now surfaced, that angle was captured by many other folks at much closer distances. Nothing new really new here. Glad we have it though as further documentation of the evil that struck that day.