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Reports of radar destroyed and aircraft damaged at Belbek airfield as result of missile strike

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/31-january-reports-of-radar-destroyed-and-aircraft-damaged

Skynet smiled. Jesus.

Here are the losses I could identify today.
https://t.co/lZLivxUud6 pic.twitter.com/ZIAYgVD0Kv

— Andrew Perpetua (@AndrewPerpetua) February 1, 2024

Add one missile cruiser to that list

Longer vid here that looks like it starts earlier with the ship in evasion and the drone boats going after the stern. They are also being fired on by what appears to be small arms. Given its eventually no longer under way I take it they knocked out the propulsion system leaving it a dead duck in the water.

It did not appear there was any ongoing evacuation at the time the second hit on the side and they probably lost most of the crew.

Edit at about:25 left is there a smaller rescue boat alongside and did they hit it as well? I can't be certain on this 2" screen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/B3PVtpWtUn

I'm sure we will hear from the typical Russian state media groups on Twitter that this vessel is just as unimportant as their recent A-50 loss.

$50 million here, $250 million there. Over time these continuing losses are going to add up to some real money.

Robert C. Christian said:

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SamHou said:

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Add one missile cruiser to that list

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BREAKING: Ukraine destroys Russian warship “Ivanovets” on Lake Donuzlav in Crimea pic.twitter.com/rv5TH792IN

— BNO News (@BNONews) February 1, 2024

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Dammmmmm. Hit magazine. She Gone.

EU overcomes resistance from Hungary to approve 50B Euro package for Ukraine. Now the world watches us.

AID

MouthBQ98 said:

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I hope our military is taking notes and action. The next big fight we are in is going to be nothing like we have fought. Drones will be everywhere and we better have effective countermeasures. There is a rapid evolution going on. The ability to manufacture large numbers of these drones customized to task will be critical and this war is proving to be quite the developmental testing ground.

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Yes, DOD has a huge program to do exactly that: REPLICATOR

Teslag said:

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I'm sure we will hear from the typical Russian state media groups on Twitter that this vessel is just as unimportant as their recent A-50 loss.

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the Russkies have had to lose at least several billion dollars worth of advanced weaponry in the last two years

even when we bugged out of Afghanistan, we didn't lose any ships or aircraft or tanks.

MouthBQ98 said:

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I hope our military is taking notes and action. The next big fight we are in is going to be nothing like we have fought. Drones will be everywhere and we better have effective countermeasures. There is a rapid evolution going on. The ability to manufacture large numbers of these drones customized to task will be critical and this war is proving to be quite the developmental testing ground.

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This is typical of war since the beginnings of the industrial revolution. Those that forget this lesson bring about very painful lessons. Example WW1 trench charges when they had the Battle of Petersburg, Va from the US Civil War that already proved that stuff don't work-- This despite the machine gun. Generals can be dumb asses. Or how about admirals that thought Battleships were the greatest in 1940.

Drones have been around since WW1 but it was WW2 that brought them out. The Germans developed a TV guided anti-ship missile, the HS 293 or something like that, it was a Henshle product first deployed in 1944. Yet drones did not play a huge role in Korea or Vietnam though they were around.

Today's Drones are primitive compared to what they will be in 2030. I think soon, effective counter measures using auto fire weapons, sound, lasers, other DEWs, hunter killer drones, etc will reduce their there short term effectiveness. As always It will evolve to the classic Offence vs Defense. Right now we are back to Trench warfare. It wont last. The old Offense vs Defense tide of war is true whether you fight with spears or star ships. I think the drone defense is about to take priority freeing up battlefield movement.

Teslag said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I hope our military is taking notes and action. The next big fight we are in is going to be nothing like we have fought. Drones will be everywhere and we better have effective countermeasures. There is a rapid evolution going on. The ability to manufacture large numbers of these drones customized to task will be critical and this war is proving to be quite the developmental testing ground.

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We are. One of the biggest benefits to this war is that we are seeing near peer weapons and tactics with no loss of American lives and for very little money. You quite literally can't buy this type of data.

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Yeah its wonderful until you see dead teenagers laying all over the place. War sucks. Unfortunately is a necessary component of the human condition and you better be able to fight it-- and did I say war sucks.

Yep. War is a part of the human condition and always will be. You are either preparing to win one or you are preparing to lose one.

Livemap now showing another fire off the Crimean coast?

I think the Navy is going to need to go through a massive reiteration over the next 50 years. I think we're going to be behind in some material ways to maintaining the ability to operate in tight or coastal areas.

aezmvp said:

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I think the Navy is going to need to go through a massive reiteration over the next 50 years. I think we're going to be behind in some material ways to maintaining the ability to operate in tight or coastal areas.

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I think we're on that path with unmanned vessels. Basically, let them be the picket ships that look for and engage threats at long range before they can get to the larger manned vessels. There's a lot of work going into this right now.

ttu_85 said:

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Robert C. Christian said:

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SamHou said:

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Add one missile cruiser to that list

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BREAKING: Ukraine destroys Russian warship “Ivanovets” on Lake Donuzlav in Crimea pic.twitter.com/rv5TH792IN

— BNO News (@BNONews) February 1, 2024

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Dammmmmm. Hit magazine. She Gone.

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More likely set of one of those big anti-ship missiles they like to put in tubes on the deck.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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aezmvp said:

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I think the Navy is going to need to go through a massive reiteration over the next 50 years. I think we're going to be behind in some material ways to maintaining the ability to operate in tight or coastal areas.

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I think we're on that path with unmanned vessels. Basically, let them be the picket ships that look for and engage threats at long range before they can get to the larger manned vessels. There's a lot of work going into this right now.

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Yep, it's all part of DOD's Replicator program, a description of which I linked just above.

Here's a naval example: PRIME.

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Teslag said:

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I'm sure we will hear from the typical Russian state media groups on Twitter that this vessel is just as unimportant as their recent A-50 loss.

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The Black Sea fleet is now stronger than ever by adding a new submersible.

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Not sure if that does much, Ukraine doesn't have much of a Navy. Ukraine's operations are mainly drones, both underwater and surface. For ship to surface launches, it's good, but they've got limited capacity on the subs (6-8 cruise missiles). Logistically, they're relying on either going back to port, or getting resupplied by a surface ship. Which either results in wasted time and fuel (they're diesel-electric) or surfacing and risking being vulnerable.

It's like a postcard.

The bow of the Ivanovets, seen by a Ukrainian USV, as it goes under.

Source- https://t.co/fMPIcPtuuB pic.twitter.com/sHPZfukwp7

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 1, 2024

Apparently, that Russian corvette was struck at least six times.

USVs

74OA said:

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Apparently, that Russian corvette was struck at least six times.

USVs

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42 knot burst speed with a 720lb payload with a 450 km range. I bet in the right winds and currents you could increase that.

Wait till they start using these as queens for aerial drones that relay off the satcom.

Ukraine has also developed a UUV. I'm waiting for them to be sent out to loiter unseen in the sea-lanes to ambush passing Russian ships.

TLK-150

ABATTBQ11 said:

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mickeyrig06sq3 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Teslag said:

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I'm sure we will hear from the typical Russian state media groups on Twitter that this vessel is just as unimportant as their recent A-50 loss.

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The Black Sea fleet is now stronger than ever by adding a new submersible.

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Not sure if that does much, Ukraine doesn't have much of a Navy. Ukraine's operations are mainly drones, both underwater and surface. For ship to surface launches, it's good, but they've got limited capacity on the subs (6-8 cruise missiles). Logistically, they're relying on either going back to port, or getting resupplied by a surface ship. Which either results in wasted time and fuel (they're diesel-electric) or surfacing and risking being vulnerable.

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It's a joke about Russian propaganda and reclassifying the Ivanovets as a submarine instead of admitting it was sunk.

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Gotcha. Russia just deployed new submarines to the Black Sea, so that's what I figured you were talking about. I didn't reference the spreadsheet first.

mickeyrig06sq3 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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mickeyrig06sq3 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Teslag said:

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I'm sure we will hear from the typical Russian state media groups on Twitter that this vessel is just as unimportant as their recent A-50 loss.

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The Black Sea fleet is now stronger than ever by adding a new submersible.

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Not sure if that does much, Ukraine doesn't have much of a Navy. Ukraine's operations are mainly drones, both underwater and surface. For ship to surface launches, it's good, but they've got limited capacity on the subs (6-8 cruise missiles). Logistically, they're relying on either going back to port, or getting resupplied by a surface ship. Which either results in wasted time and fuel (they're diesel-electric) or surfacing and risking being vulnerable.

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It's a joke about Russian propaganda and reclassifying the Ivanovets as a submarine instead of admitting it was sunk.

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Gotcha. Russia just deployed new submarines to the Black Sea, so that's what I figured you were talking about. I didn't reference the spreadsheet first.

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Got a link to support that? This is the first I am hearing of it and I wasn't aware they had any shipyards to build new subs along the Black Sea. They added several to their Pacific Fleet last month, but I saw nothing about additions to their Black Sea fleet.

JFABNRGR said:

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74OA said:

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Apparently, that Russian corvette was struck at least six times.

USVs

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42 knot burst speed with a 720lb payload with a 450 km range. I bet in the right winds and currents you could increase that.

Wait till they start using these as queens for aerial drones that relay off the satcom.

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Ive previously spoken of the carrier becoming obsolete in the same way as the battleship. It'd take far more of these (and probably better versions) to kill a carrier, but these threats will push fleets further from shore - less able to engage and influence operations.

Swarms and asymmetric threats outclassing large conventional military assets… the response will be divested resources and anti-robot robots.

The Robot Wars are near.

Reporting from Ukraine is back in action - starting with a summary of Ukraine's month long attrition of air defenses in Crimea that opened a window to attacks on targets in Russia.

I'm not so sure.

The Russian Navy isn't nearly as good as ours or equipped as well. We upgraded our CWIS to engage surface targets for basically this very reason, whereas the Russians are using small arms and deck guns to try hit these.

It's also a lot easier to hit lone ships like this than a group. A carrier group has a lot more eyes and guns. These Russian ships are operating alone in areas they think are safe and getting caught off guard and overwhelmed very quickly.

There's also not a good replacement for projecting air power. Even with drones, you need a fixed friendly airfield cost enough to launch and support them. Carriers can move and can be anywhere in the ocean. There are a lot of benefits to having them.