***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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74OA said:

Insufficient resources as the brutal fighting around Andiivka is depleting available reserves.
That doesn't explain not utilizing the amphibious units and equipment that haven't been seen around Adiivka they've been training for exactly this.
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AgLA06 said:

74OA said:

Insufficient resources as the brutal fighting around Andiivka is depleting available reserves.
That doesn't explain not utilizing the amphibious units and equipment that haven't been seen around Adiivka they've been training for exactly this.
The Ukrainians have been reported ferrying the river with boats and motorized rafts, but they haven't been able to put a floating bridge across yet and so haven't projected sufficient mass to present a serious threat on the other side. What they have by way of amphibious capability is being used but, as with any amphibious operation, the initial beachhead requires sufficient reinforcement and logistics to exploit it, and Ukraine just can't get enough across at the moment. Anyway, it's still early days yet, maybe the Russian defenses there will prove to be brittle........
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Why would it be targeting a largely empty field?
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Yeah... That's completely unbelievable.
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Russia has had some time to sort out its supply chain issues for basic war materials such that it's forces aren't sometimes grossly underprepared regarding basic kit but also some of its units have always been relatively well trained and equipped front line units. What is encountered on the battlefield depends very much on which Russian units are deployed there.
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Germany to double aid to Ukraine in '24, five million Ukrainians internally displaced and other notes.

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There's uncertainty elsewhere if the total delivered will be 60, but it nonetheless will be a significant bump.



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74OA said:


Too much, the Magic Bus!

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After seeing the wars in Ukraine and Israel I think all countries are immediately pushing for advanced drone and anti-drone systems. The Iranian drones are pretty dang effective and can be made for about $20k while they estimate it cost $140k to shoot one down right now. The Russian Lancet is not far behind at $30-35k.
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P.U.T.U said:

After seeing the wars in Ukraine and Israel I think all countries are immediately pushing for advanced drone and anti-drone systems. The Iranian drones are pretty dang effective and can be made for about $20k while they estimate it cost $140k to shoot one down right now. The Russian Lancet is not far behind at $30-35k.
Yeah I would not be surprised to see us fielding air defense cannons slaved to microphones that identify propeller sounds PDQ. Sounds like a no brainer.
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aezmvp said:

P.U.T.U said:

After seeing the wars in Ukraine and Israel I think all countries are immediately pushing for advanced drone and anti-drone systems. The Iranian drones are pretty dang effective and can be made for about $20k while they estimate it cost $140k to shoot one down right now. The Russian Lancet is not far behind at $30-35k.
Yeah I would not be surprised to see us fielding air defense cannons slaved to microphones that identify propeller sounds PDQ. Sounds like a no brainer.
The Army is already fielding a Stryker-based SHORAD system using Stingers and a 30mm cannon firing proximity rounds, is close to fielding a Stryker-based SHORAD laser system and is testing a SHORAD high-powered microwave prototype, as well. All use AESA radars and electro-optical sensors for targeting and are optimized for defeating aircraft, drones, missiles and other projectiles. There are other Army programs intended to supplement these systems which focus exclusively on drones. For example: M-LIDS.
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Seems the problem with drone defense is coverage. Trying to maintain good defensive coverage while also being on the move will be tough. How much of your force are you willing to commit to drone defense.

In my mind, success will come from combining drone defense on platforms that also serve other roles.
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CS78 said:

Seems the problem with drone defense is coverage. Trying to maintain good defensive coverage while also being on the move will be tough. How much of your force are you willing to commit to drone defense.

In my mind, success will come from combining drone defense on platforms that also serve other roles.
Agree. It has to be something integrated into normal units similar to how the Israeli tanks and APCs have active defensive measures for RPGs and ATGMs. Drones wouldn't seem to be that different.
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CS78 said:

Seems the problem with drone defense is coverage. Trying to maintain good defensive coverage while also being on the move will be tough. How much of your force are you willing to commit to drone defense.

In my mind, success will come from combining drone defense on platforms that also serve other roles.
The new Stryker SHORAD vehicles I mentioned are not drone-specific but are general-purpose air defense systems which will serve throughout the Army's maneuver formations. The new 30mm air-defense proximity round can be fired from any similarly sized cannon and will be easy to add to non-air-defense vehicle's selectable combat mix of AP, API, HEI rounds. The Army is also looking to adapt the automatic protection systems it intends to install on almost all armored vehicles to also defend drone attacks as well as reacting to incoming missiles, RPGs, etc. It's a growth industry, for sure.
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Yeah but I can see putting a cheaper system on a stripped pickup that being a 60k system that you could drop a bunch in behind your maneuver forces to provide additional protection to logistical and other support groups or infrastructure and it not be an arm or a leg.
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aezmvp said:

Yeah but I can see putting a cheaper system on a stripped pickup that being a 60k system that you could drop a bunch in behind your maneuver forces to provide additional protection to logistical and other support groups or infrastructure and it not be an arm or a leg.
You mean perhaps like this already provided by the US to Ukraine? [url=https://interestingengineering.com/culture/vampire-rocket-launcher-ukraine][/url]

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Minister of Defense of Ukraine Rustem Umerov is preparing submissions for dismissal :
- Commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Sergei Naev (may become one of the main defendants in the case that concerns the defense of the Kherson region in 2022);
- Commander of the Operational-Strategic Group of Troops "Tavria" Alexander Tarnavsky;
Commander of the Medical Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Tatyana Ostashchenko;
This was reported by Ukrayinska Pravda with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
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Rumors are beginning to circulate that a major purge of the MOD is imminent.The new Minister of Defense Umerov is preparing proposals for the dismissal of the commander of the Medical Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine T. Ostashchenko Commander of the Operational-Strategic Group of Troops "Tavria" Alexander Tarnavsky Commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Sergei Naev. Earlier today, ex-People's Deputy Borislav Bereza, citing sources in the State Bureau said that Naev and the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny could be served with suspicions (of crimes).

Zelensky out for Zaluzhny? I dunno, some high drama in any case from multiple reports in Ukrainian media (which is state controlled/regulated).
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Additionally, complete defoliation of tree cover will give even clearer line of sight to Russian fire-control capabilities and allow easier identification of enemy positions to pound out.

That being said, Russia is in no particular rush and is likely enjoying the current meltdown happening amongst Ukrainian leadership. At this pace Avdeevka could still potentially hold out another 2-3 months, depending how hard Russia presses in. Particularly if Ukrainian reports are accurate, which say according to their side that Russia does not yet have full fire-control over that one main MSR.


Avdiivka looks like a matter of days at this point, maybe a week.


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aezmvp said:

P.U.T.U said:

After seeing the wars in Ukraine and Israel I think all countries are immediately pushing for advanced drone and anti-drone systems. The Iranian drones are pretty dang effective and can be made for about $20k while they estimate it cost $140k to shoot one down right now. The Russian Lancet is not far behind at $30-35k.
Yeah I would not be surprised to see us fielding air defense cannons slaved to microphones that identify propeller sounds PDQ. Sounds like a no brainer.

Lasers - Rafael Iron Beam is going to be active and provided to the US Army in 2024 or 2025

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Do you deliberately seek out Russian propoganda or are you just not capable of critical thought?
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"Recent satellite imagery reveals a notable accumulation of strategic bombers at the Engels Airbase in the Saratov region, raising alarms about the potential preparation for a new series of massive strikes on critical Ukrainian infrastructure."

BOMBERS

EDIT: Recall that Ukraine hit Engels last year using modified jet-powered drones from the Soviet era. It'll be interesting to see if they now try again.
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Some people just like to be contrarian for the sake of being so. It is interesting to see the Russian perspective or how they are thinking, or at least how they are spinning matters. It does give a comparative perspective to understand what might be motivating each side to continue.

I think the drone story makes it clear this winter that infrastructure and civilian target bombardment might resume, but this time Ukraine is counter threatening to attack Russian oil infrastructure.

That stuff is difficult to replace, as much of it was put in place by western oil corporations pre-war. Replacing substantial damage might be very challenging.
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Everything you ever wanted to know about Russia's missile war against Ukraine.

"Overall, while the conflict has seen significant use of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles by Russia, targeting a range of Ukrainian civilian, military, and CNI targets, the results achieved by the Kremlin have been mixed. While the misery and disruption they have resulted in are without doubt, the effectiveness of these strikes has been limited by the stiff resistance provided by Ukraine, and especially its air defenses, increasingly bolstered by more modern Western-supplied equipment. At the same time, however, Russia has been hamstrung by limitations in regard to intelligence about targets and battle damage assessment. Moreover, the plans for missile use in the conflict itself appear to have been unrealistic, based on the misconception that Ukraine's fighting capacity would quickly be eroded. When that failed to happen, Russia was left to rely on arsenals of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that were too small for the job at hand, while production capacity has almost certainly failed to meet the demand, with sanctions making those issues even more pronounced."


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More on the Dnipro River crossing and other updates from the front.

Today's SITREP.
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74OA said:

More on the Dnipro River crossing and other updates from the front.

Today's SITREP.
This bridgehead may be crucial to taking pressure off of Andiivka
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Surprised they evacuate any of them
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Speaker of South Operation command Humenyuk says Ukrainian troops attempting to push Russian troops 3-8 kms from the Dnipro river all along Kherson region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/15-november-speaker-of-south-operation-command-humenyuk-says
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