***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Sq 17
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We don't know the future but zero percent chance Russia is able to Replace all the equipment that got destroyed over the last 18 months
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This isn't the Napoleonic era where military strength is correlated to troop numbers.

A modern military requires massive investments in complex platforms and hardware. This equipment isn't just prohibitively expensive for most nations, it also takes years in some cases a decade, to manufacture and procure from 0.

On top of that the troops that utilize these devices need years of technical training and field exercises to become capable and skilled users of these platforms and devices.

The Russian military will take at least a decade to recover to their pre invasion capabilities.
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PJYoung said:

Rongagin71 said:

Its been said before, but the "Russia cannot effectively replace losses" line is yet to be proven correct.
Russia is very huge, and even if Putin drops dead and his replacement settles the war, it may only be a few years until the Russian military is rebuilt, possibly stronger than before - we just don't know the future.
Demographics rules the future and theirs is horrific.

Ukraine will be in a worse position since the demographics are similar and they're much smaller but they will be armed to the teeth.


I get what you are saying, and agree that based on what we know now, the war has gone about as well for Ukraine as could be expected.
But my bit about not knowing the future includes all sorts of possibilities like a breakthrough in cloning human or making robotic warriors.
God, I wish I didn't remember MacNamara saying his computer projections proved the Viet Cong could not continue much longer...perhaps they didn't , it was mostly North Vietnamese backed by the entire Communist Block that continued.
So how do we know China won't decide now is a great time to invade Taiwan?
How do we know when Iran actually gets access to nuclear bombs?
The world is a very confused and unpredictable place.
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At Ukraine's request, Abrams training will be extended until all 31 tanks can be delivered as a cohesive unit, rather than in increments of ten. ATACMS update and lots of other notes, too.

Today's SITREP.
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Rongagin71 said:

Its been said before, but the "Russia cannot effectively replace losses" line is yet to be proven correct.
Russia is very huge, and even if Putin drops dead and his replacement settles the war, it may only be a few years until the Russian military is rebuilt, possibly stronger than before - we just don't know the future.


We don't know the future but we know a lot about the current situation and the constraints.

Huge country? Land mass isn't the same as population. They have a population of ~145 million which is not a large country and that's true even if you include the Stans. Their population of Russia is smaller (and probably less healthy) than the India, China, United States, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Brazil, and Bangladesh. Uzbekistan is the only other RF county in the top 50 most populous countries and they have 35 million (and aren't thrilled about sending soldiers to fight in Ukraine).

In the early months of the war Russia was already crewing fighting vehicles and tanks with officers from the supply corps and weather service. They were running tanks with a crew of two (tubes forward so the commander had to switch to the gunner station to fight). Shoigu and Gerasimov were using reserve units from day one and lying about it to Putin because their regular army unit rosters were riddled with ghost soldiers as the commanders cashed those paychecks. They have extended the age of compulsory service to 65. They have used up the entire male population between the age of 18-50 in the Stans and have had rebellion in these eastern and Caucuses republics when going for more conscripts. They have had conscripts shoot officers when they are given weapons. Russian police are now going door to door hunting for draft dodging conscripts in Moscow and St Petersburg. Men (and women) with a STEM education had been fleeing Russia for the west for job opportunities and now they are as desperate to leave as the East Germans were to get over the wall. PhD scientists that were at the pinnacle of prestige during the Cold War arms race have been relegated to barely middle class under Putin as state funded R&D flatlined and new hypersonic weapons are nothing more than a glide vehicle mounted on 1980s vintage liquid fueled booster rockets.

Russia has eaten its seed corn. The training cadre at military schools have been sent to the front as replacements because the Russian armed forces never rotated experienced combat veterans back to teach at the schools (because Georgi Zhukov would not have done it in the Great Patriotic War). Russia has emptied the prisons and now they are sending the jailers at gunpoint to Ukraine. Putin has fired and dozens of Generals and then reappointed some and fired them again.

Russia began the war after 20 years of a birthrate that is below replacement rate and an average male life expectancy of 59. Russia is not a knowledge and services based economy and they have sent two generations of factory workers to a meatgrinder. Alcoholism was already the leading cause of death below the age of 50 before the war began and the extended Frontline combat without rotation to the rear is sending drug and vodka abuse spiraling upward among those who were wounded badly enough to be discharged.

If you define the parameters of what a "Russian military rebuilt" looks like in terms of equipment and troops, I would probably bet against that. Russia is not going to regain anywhere near the military capability that it had two years ago during my lifetime.
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You can add to that Russia has one the most rapidly increasing rates of HIV and they lack to medical support to keep things in check. They are truly a people and society on the decline. I don't really worry about their ability rebuild as much as I worry about all those nukes when the whole house of cards collapses.

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China is only waiting to take Russia's resources after Russia goes toes up.
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Unsure of when this footage was taken.

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Ukraine Volunteer is still alive!

Just dropped another post.

I wonder / worry about how long he and his team can push their luck.

I assume he's had a birthday and is 77 now.

Tough old goat!
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"Will not" or is it really "can not" because of the severe shortage of manpower to keep Russian agriculture and industry going?

"Russian military officials continue to publicly emphasize that Russia will not conduct another mobilization wave. Russian State Duma Defense Committee Head Andrey Kartapolov claimed on September 9 that Russia does not need to conduct another mobilization wave to rotate personnel in Ukraine as Russia has recruited enough contract personnel to complete rotations."

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Maybe they got enough Cubans
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It's hurting the Russians having to move forces to the South
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/10/blinken-g20-ukraine-russia-00114898

Edited to fix link.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Not just focusing on Russia, but China and other hot spots.
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Important to note that this is NOT the same Opytne south of Bakhmut. This one is closer to Avdiivka/Donetsk.
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More on the fight for Opytne, from a Russian.

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Really good interview.



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74OA said:

"Will not" or is it really "can not" because of the severe shortage of manpower to keep Russian agriculture and industry going?

"Russian military officials continue to publicly emphasize that Russia will not conduct another mobilization wave. Russian State Duma Defense Committee Head Andrey Kartapolov claimed on September 9 that Russia does not need to conduct another mobilization wave to rotate personnel in Ukraine as Russia has recruited enough contract personnel to complete rotations."

ISW


2024: "We never said we wouldn't conduct another mobilization wave, and if we did, this is a required volunteer action, not a mobilization wave."
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Donetsk airport is an icon of the 2014 invasion. Retaking it would be very symbolic.
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GAC06 said:

Maybe they got enough Cubans
That is the problem with being a puppet state of an empire. The empire can 'press' / conscript from their nation states.

This is part of the reason we fought the war of 1812 with the UK.
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Quote:

Ukrainian Military intelligence claims returning control over 2 drilling platform in the Black Sea, occupied by Russia since 2015: Petro Hodovalets and Tavrida. Also claimed seizing ammunition and Neva radar, damaging Su-30 jet during battle for platforms


https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/11-september-ukrainian-military-intelligence-claims-returning

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Ukrainian defense forces have destroyed 6 Russian boats in Kherson region


https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/11-september-ukrainian-defense-forces-have-destroyed-6-russian

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Detonation of ammunition lasted over 2 hours after counter-battery work near Oleshky of Kherson region


https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/11-september-detonation-of-ammunition-laster-over-2-hours

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Ukrainian air defense shot down Russian Forpost UAV near Zmiiny island


https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/11-september-ukrainian-air-defense-shot-down-russian-forpost

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Fuel crisis in Krasnodar Krai of Russia - diesel is almost not available at fuel stations


https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/11-september-fuel-crisis-in-krasnodar-krai-of-russia--diesel
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ATX_AG_08 said:

Really good interview.




Agree. Willy is doing some really good interviews. Just honest interview of what soldiers on the ground are experiencing.

The discussion of the failed assault (starts around 55m mark) that resulted in the death of an American volunteer sums up a lot of the problems within the Ukrainian military. I recommend listening to that 10-15m if you don't have time to listen to the whole interview.

What was interesting was hearing about how fragmented the Ukrainian army is. He describes it more as a group of Militias responsible for a sector more so than a unified army.
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Would the capture of this airport help UKE's in the foreseeable future?
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Morale. It seems to be mostly spiritual at this point.
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Interview with Zelensk

Not anything groundbreaking but some insight.
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Waffledynamics said:


once the rainy season rasputitsa is over and it turns to winter

all the tree foliage cover will be gone

does that help the attacking Ukes or the defending Russians?

do the Ukes have enough combat power left to keep attacking once the snows harden the ground?
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Edit: uhhh, a bit NSFW.
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LMCane said:

Waffledynamics said:


once the rainy season rasputitsa is over and it turns to winter

all the tree foliage cover will be gone

does that help the attacking Ukes or the defending Russians?

do the Ukes have enough combat power left to keep attacking once the snows harden the ground?
It helps whoever has the most thermal vision systems. Probably Ukraine.
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Germany ups its commitment of refurbished Marders to 80 vehicles.

IFV
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More on the Kremlin's increasing struggle to adequately man both its military and its economy.

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Why would Russian pols need to avoid "unpopular mobilizations? Do they actually have free elections?
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Riots in urban areas are hard to manage
If they lose public opinion and riots get rolling in Moscow it's game over
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Strong answer. Thanks!
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Thanks
somebody made this point several hundred pages ago when there was discussion about mobilization earlier in the war
His point was draft notices could not go out in places like Moscow or St. Petersburg because those young men probably had the ability to leave the country and
As soldiers get killed which happens in war Putin and Co. need it to be dead soldiers from the backwaters of Russia
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A really good primer on what is front of mind for Russians is the Red Revolution. The old Revolutions podcast has an extensive and very approachable history that you can listen to that would take you through it. I highly recommend that. It's easily as influential for Russians and their leadership as any lesson about our Revolution or the Civil War is for any American patriot.
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