***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to PJYoung • 9:24p, 7/14/23
Pretty sure that's from a training op. Still pretty cool. There are some other ones that have been shown of them doing this. Still a bigger fan of the Ukes dropping thermobaric grenades into IFVs. I wouldn't be surprised if that specific behavior will lead to a different way to ventilate armor going forward.
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In reply to aezmvp • 10:31p, 7/14/23
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aezmvp said:
Pretty sure that's from a training op. Still pretty cool. There are some other ones that have been shown of them doing this. Still a bigger fan of the Ukes dropping thermobaric grenades into IFVs. I wouldn't be surprised if that specific behavior will lead to a different way to ventilate armor going forward.
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In reply to aezmvp • 4:28a, 7/15/23
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aezmvp said:
Pretty sure that's from a training op. Still pretty cool. There are some other ones that have been shown of them doing this. Still a bigger fan of the Ukes dropping thermobaric grenades into IFVs. I wouldn't be surprised if that specific behavior will lead to a different way to ventilate armor going forward.


Yes that was training.
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10:25a, 7/15/23
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Grim. Note the frustrated Russian leader throwing his own rifle at soldiers who won't get out of their dugout and fight.

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In reply to 74OA • 2:47p, 7/15/23
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74OA said:
Grim. Note the frustrated Russian leader throwing his own rifle at soldiers who won't get out of their dugout and fight.



Getting good at assaults. Need to find a way to slam the door on the Russians leaking out the back.
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3:18p, 7/15/23
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Looks like this Russian general got an iron cross and a bottle of Coke as a parting gift at his funeral.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 3:22p, 7/15/23
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FriscoKid said:


Looks like this Russian general got an iron cross and a bottle of Coke as a parting gift at his funeral.

What's that behind the right-hand side of the picture?
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In reply to FriscoKid • 3:26p, 7/15/23
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Looks like this Russian general got an iron cross and a bottle of Coke as a parting gift at his funeral.
An Iron Cross??? Isn't that a Nazi symbol?
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In reply to B-1 83 • 3:52p, 7/15/23
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B-1 83 said:
FriscoKid said:


Looks like this Russian general got an iron cross and a bottle of Coke as a parting gift at his funeral.
An Iron Cross??? Isn't that a Nazi symbol?
No.
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In reply to Counterpoint • 5:09p, 7/15/23
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What's that behind the right-hand side of the picture?
Looks like a box of chicken broth. I'm not sure what kind of nasty cocktail to honor dead Russian generals is made out of Coca Cola, wine, and chicken broth, but count me out.
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In reply to cbr • 5:15p, 7/15/23
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cbr said:
B-1 83 said:
FriscoKid said:


Looks like this Russian general got an iron cross and a bottle of Coke as a parting gift at his funeral.
An Iron Cross??? Isn't that a Nazi symbol?
No.


Not a General only three medals. RuZZian generals are decorated like a preteen with a bedazzler.

Behind the picture it looks like chicken broth.

Interesting…
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5:17p, 7/15/23
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How did Yokel beat me by six minutes?

Anyway, delete my post staff.
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5:36p, 7/15/23
That is the Russian Order of Courage. Let's at least make an attempt to keep this thread to moderately informed discussion. Enough propaganda/fake stuff slips in here already.
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In reply to cbr • 5:49p, 7/15/23
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It was sarcasm since many similar things were deemed just that.
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In reply to 74OA • 5:55p, 7/15/23
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Around 13 minutes and on in this video, those wounded Russians are struggling to crawl or drag themselves and escape with their lives. They were dug in and not outnumbered, but were unprepared, acting as individuals instead of as a team, don't want to be there, and didn't want to fight. Plus, the Ukes on the ground know exactly who is where in real-time due to the drone, while the Russians are clueless and scattering. Remarkable contrast.

Such a waste of human life, dying for nothing.
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8:36p, 7/15/23
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In reply to notex • 9:41p, 7/15/23
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Can anyone post sections of article?
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In reply to AggieLit • 9:58p, 7/15/23
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Not sure what sections you would like, but this archive link should get you past any loading issues since it's basically a screenshot of the article.

https://archive.is/7boMz
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In reply to AggieLit • 10:06p, 7/15/23
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AggieLit said:
Can anyone post sections of article?
From ISW this evening on the NYT article.
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The New York Times (NYT) reported that the Ukrainian military has adjusted its strategy to minimize Ukrainian casualties while continuing to attrit Russian forces, supporting ISW's previous assessments. NYT reported that unnamed US and European officials estimated that Russian forces destroyed up to 20 percent of Ukraine's Western-provided weaponry in the first two weeks of the counteroffensive.[38] The NYT reported that officials stated that the rate of losses has dropped to 10 percent in the subsequent weeks due to a change in Ukrainian strategy.[39] The NYTreported that the Ukrainian military has changed tactics to focus on wearing down Russian forces with artillery and long-range missiles instead of large-scale assaults, which is consistent with Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi's statement on July 14 that increased Ukrainian indirect fire can both pin down Russian forces and minimize Ukrainian casualties.[40] ISW previously assessed on July 4 that Ukrainian forces appear to be focusing on creating an asymmetrical attrition gradient that conserves Ukrainian manpower at the cost of a slower rate of territorial gains, while gradually wearing down Russian manpower and equipment.[41] Ukraine's military has likely been refining its counteroffensive strategy for weeks, and the larger effects of those adjustments are only just becoming clear to some observers. Ukraine will likely continue to adjust its strategy and execution throughout the counteroffensive to facilitate continued progress.
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10:37p, 7/15/23
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This next one should be taken with a grain of salt.

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In reply to PJYoung • 8:19a, 7/16/23
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Who can contrast the use of drones by both sides here with current US drone doctrine. My understanding is our current infantry units are basically equipped with fragile air-hogs (sarcasm) while I see tons of video of small drones here constantly surveilling the enemy and dropping everything from small charges (like this video) up to 81mm mortar shells.
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11:14a, 7/16/23
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Ukraine's counterbattery advantage is steadily growing. Facilitated by radars supplied by the allies, of which the US alone has sent over 70. If the attrition of Russian artillery in the south builds to the point that it can't provide constant indirect fires coverage of its minefields, Ukrainian sappers will eventually clear an exploitable gap somewhere in the fortifications.

Today's SITREP.
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In reply to 74OA • 11:38a, 7/16/23
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74OA said:
Ukraine's counterbattery advantage is steadily growing. Facilitated by radars supplied by the allies, of which the US alone has sent over 70. If the attrition of Russian artillery in the south builds to the point that it can't provide constant indirect fires coverage of its minefields, Ukrainian sappers will eventually clear an exploitable gap somewhere in the fortifications.

Today's SITREP.


Its also been interesting to see the high ratio of self propelled arty versus towed arty destroyed in the last month. Without doing the math it appears to be 4-5:1. I suspect this is due to limited trucking availability. Barrel wear or maneuverability may also be factors.

Great to see that captured TOS be used against the orcs. A couple of cluster munitions vids popping up on reddit but I think they are the Israel version M971 120mm.
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In reply to 74OA • 11:42a, 7/16/23
74OA said:
Ukraine's counterbattery advantage is steadily growing. Facilitated by radars supplied by the allies, of which the US alone has sent over 70. If the attrition of Russian artillery in the south builds to the point that it can't provide constant indirect fires coverage of its minefields, Ukrainian sappers will eventually clear an exploitable gap somewhere in the fortifications.

Today's SITREP.


If you look at the Oryx lists. Russia is confirmed losing a lot of artillery/MLRSs, and Ukraine is not.
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In reply to Gordo14 • 11:56a, 7/16/23
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Gordo14 said:
74OA said:
Ukraine's counterbattery advantage is steadily growing. Facilitated by radars supplied by the allies, of which the US alone has sent over 70. If the attrition of Russian artillery in the south builds to the point that it can't provide constant indirect fires coverage of its minefields, Ukrainian sappers will eventually clear an exploitable gap somewhere in the fortifications.

Today's SITREP.


If you look at the Oryx lists. Russia is confirmed losing a lot of artillery/MLRSs, and Ukraine is not.
That's been true for a while, but Russia started the war with a lot more artillery than the Ukrainians. Despite Russia's disproportionate losses, a tipping point won't come until it can no longer provide the needed coverage and volume, either thru loss of tubes or lack of ammo, or both.
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12:24p, 7/16/23
Imagine being Russian artillery and after firing a shell, wondering if you are going to be blow to bits in 60 seconds.
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In reply to 74OA • 1:15p, 7/16/23
74OA said:
Gordo14 said:
74OA said:
Ukraine's counterbattery advantage is steadily growing. Facilitated by radars supplied by the allies, of which the US alone has sent over 70. If the attrition of Russian artillery in the south builds to the point that it can't provide constant indirect fires coverage of its minefields, Ukrainian sappers will eventually clear an exploitable gap somewhere in the fortifications.

Today's SITREP.


If you look at the Oryx lists. Russia is confirmed losing a lot of artillery/MLRSs, and Ukraine is not.
That's been true for a while, but Russia started the war with a lot more artillery than the Ukrainians. Despite Russia's disproportionate losses, a tipping point won't come until it can no longer provide the needed coverage and volume, either thru loss of tubes or lack of ammo, or both.


Agreed. I think the data shows it is trending in that direction. Especially with the huge boost in ammo Ukraine is receiving.
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2:22p, 7/16/23
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This may sound crazy as I know I'd rather the opposite. But it may have been a benefit that Ukraine didn't have exorbitant amounts of artillery ammo. I know it's a generality, but they appear to have gotten very good at putting accurate artillery fire on target quickly with only a handful of rounds. It may be just a Uke thing as they continue to impress with professionalism and courage, but they're heads and tail better than Russia and it's not even close.
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3:17p, 7/16/23
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Always curious about whether Putin is lying or Putin has been lied to…

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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 3:21p, 7/16/23
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Mountains of evidence that Russia used cluster munitions, including on civilian areas like above. They only stopped when they ran out.
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In reply to GAC06 • 4:41p, 7/16/23
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GAC06 said:
Mountains of evidence that Russia used cluster munitions, including on civilian areas like above. They only stopped when they ran out.


Right. But what does Putin actually know and not know?
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7:22p, 7/16/23
Mines are a major problem.

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In reply to shiftyandquick • 7:56p, 7/16/23
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More precisely, minefields covered by pre-sighted artillery are the problem. If Ukrainian counter battery fires can eventually strip away the covering artillery, sappers will be able to clear paths through the minefields.
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