Polish MIGs already in Ukraine. Every little bit helps.

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Here's the grim extended conclusion to that Ukrainian tank assault on a Russian trench line.

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More insanity. Russian keep missing with their ATGMs the Ukes won't need any reactive armor. Western assets even without armor are going to be a force multiplier. I don't think the orcs have that many ATGMs to give out anyway as compared to the Ukes.

Crazy they used that tank as a bulldozer and likely never saw the near miss. I wonder if the BMP lit up where that shot came from off screen as no more were fired and they had plenty of time.

I can't tell if the Ukes were treating a wounded orc or another Uke who may have been a POW in the trench or if he was one of the dismounts. I doubt they would have put that much effort into an orc but looks like their might be a red band on his helmet.

I can't tell if the AFV made it back or did it get hit along the tree line to the right?

I think the big difference is the orcs don't seem to have have high quality anti armor munitions like the javelins in any quantity. They're relying on RPGs that don't have the same capabilities or effectiveness of the western shoulder fired weapons.

War is hell. If the orcs weren't dead after the tank rounds they were once the tank ground them into the mud. Except that one guy. He luckily / unluckily seemed to survive.

Good question about the personnel carrier at the end. There appeared to be an explosion towards where it went. Couldn't tell if it had anything to do with it though.

Seems weird they're putting such priority on that little slit trench when there seems to be that great bermed defensive position in an oval right next to it that would be an awesome defensive position with some trenches added.

JFABNRGR said:

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74OA said:

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Here's the grim extended conclusion to that Ukrainian tank assault on a Russian trench line.

BURIED

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More insanity. Russian keep missing with their ATGMs the Ukes won't need any reactive armor. Western assets even without armor are going to be a force multiplier. I don't think the orcs have that many ATGMs to give out anyway as compared to the Ukes.

Crazy they used that tank as a bulldozer and likely never saw the near miss. I wonder if the BMP lit up where that shot came from off screen as no more were fired and they had plenty of time.

I can't tell if the Ukes were treating a wounded orc or another Uke who may have been a POW in the trench or if he was one of the dismounts. I doubt they would have put that much effort into an orc but looks like their might be a red band on his helmet.

I can't tell if the AFV made it back or did it get hit along the tree line to the right?

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Per Reddit (this may be from the first video though), it says there was at least one prisoner. Before the tank started driving all over it, I thought I saw at least a couple of the Orcs still moving around in the trench and the tank never drove over that middle section where they were also holed up in the bunker.

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After the attack of our tanks on the "T-pattern" position captured by the enemy, it turned out that there were more enemy infantry in the trenches than we expected. According to the prisoner, there were 28 occupiers.

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The crew of the T-72 "Sokol" tank broke through close to the trenches. But the ammunition of the tank is very limited. And soon "Sokol" had only one shot left.

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Watch the second part of the fight for the return of the "T-pattern". After this stunning finale, the enemy made no further attempts to capture the battalion's positions.

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This is a cool video and one where I haven't seen this equipment used before.

Ukrainian forces using a US donated M58 MICLIC to clear a field

Today's SITREP.

More MIGs.[url=https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-polish-mig-29s-delivered][/url]

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74OA said:

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Today's SITREP.

More MIGs.[url=https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-polish-mig-29s-delivered][/url]

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From 74OAs excellent link.

Russian sources claim Ukrainian drones are dropping explosive devices disguised as AK magazines. pic.twitter.com/D96MVRuCnj

— Clash Report (@clashreport) April 3, 2023

Diabolical psychological warfare. Associating ammo with your own death. Making you think twice every time you go to reload.

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Pretty sure it was military urban legend, but I've heard of something similar being done in Vietnam, usually by special ops of some flavor. They would ambush a VC or NVA unit moving along a known trail, and replace some of the mags on the dead bodies with booby trapped ones.

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74OA said:

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Today's SITREP.

More MIGs.[url=https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-polish-mig-29s-delivered][/url]

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From 74OAs excellent link.

Russian sources claim Ukrainian drones are dropping explosive devices disguised as AK magazines. pic.twitter.com/D96MVRuCnj

— Clash Report (@clashreport) April 3, 2023

Diabolical psychological warfare. Associating ammo with your own death. Making you think twice every time you go to reload.

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Pretty sure it was military urban legend, but I've heard of something similar being done in Vietnam, usually by special ops of some flavor. They would ambush a VC or NVA unit moving along a known trail, and replace some of the mags on the dead bodies with booby trapped ones.

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No, this was real. Project Eldest Son.

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Today's SITREP.

More MIGs.[url=https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-polish-mig-29s-delivered][/url]

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From 74OAs excellent link.

Russian sources claim Ukrainian drones are dropping explosive devices disguised as AK magazines. pic.twitter.com/D96MVRuCnj

— Clash Report (@clashreport) April 3, 2023

Diabolical psychological warfare. Associating ammo with your own death. Making you think twice every time you go to reload.

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Pretty sure it was military urban legend, but I've heard of something similar being done in Vietnam, usually by special ops of some flavor. They would ambush a VC or NVA unit moving along a known trail, and replace some of the mags on the dead bodies with booby trapped ones.

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Absolutely not urban legend. At least with mortars and some machine gun rounds. Pretty well documented that we left compromised munitions of those types in both Vietnam and OIF/OEF with the sole purpose to injure and damage. It's a murky area though for legality so not really truly advertised.

Eldest Son was particularly damaging (or some might say "nefarious") because it wasn't just dropping them or replacing them on a dead body.

They found ways to sabotage actual stores of ammunition such that you couldn't trust a *********thing at your own ordinance stores

Nvm. Eliminatus beat me to it

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Flooding in Kramatorsk after gateway at the dam was damaged

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Russia's unfolding demographic disaster accelerated by Putin's war. A disappearing nation.

DOOM LOOP

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This is a cool video and one where I haven't seen this equipment used before.

Ukrainian forces using a US donated M58 MICLIC to clear a field

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Those are pretty cool.
Earlier in this thread, there is a video of Russians using this in an urban area "to combat snipers"

Details of the latest aid package.

AMMO

I couldn't get that link to work. Is it basically saying the orcs are fading away?

It's stati g that the Russian population may be in terminal decline. Between deaths and those fleeing the male population is vanishing and with that the stability of the country. Which was already massively unhealthy and in decline. Alcoholism, drug abuse and disease was gutting them. Adding war and those fleeing is only goi g to magnify their issues. And it's not close to being over.

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It's stati g that the Russian population may be in terminal decline. Between deaths and those fleeing the male population is vanishing and with that the stability of the country. Which was already massively unhealthy and in decline. Alcoholism, drug abuse and disease was gutting them. Adding war and those fleeing is only goi g to magnify their issues. And it's not close to being over.

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True. And soon enough, the second language of Russia will be Chinese.

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Details of the latest aid package.

AMMO

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NASAMS is pretty cool.
Lots of 155mm shells, lots of ammo, and lots of grenades.

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Russia's unfolding demographic disaster accelerated by Putin's war. A disappearing nation.

DOOM LOOP

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Good read. Thanks for posting.

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Touchless said:

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This is a cool video and one where I haven't seen this equipment used before.

Ukrainian forces using a US donated M58 MICLIC to clear a field

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Those are pretty cool.
Earlier in this thread, there is a video of Russians using this in an urban area "to combat snipers"

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and here are the Ukes clearing orcs out of a spot in Bakhmut. Looks like this might be a pretty good trench clearing munition.

The charges are probably not cheap and have no clue how long it takes to reload or how many munitions it can carry. I suspect its typically supported by a truck and full crew.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/12bd1d8/ukrainian_forces_use_a_ur77_mine_clearing_charge/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Russian version in Mariupol. Looks like theres has a really long delay.

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Russian version in Mariupol. Looks like theres has a really long delay.

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That's the one! I remember seeing it

Today's SITREP.
[url=https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-latest-us-aid-package-includes-new-drone-defenses][/url]

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Russian version in Mariupol. Looks like theres has a really long delay.

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That's the one! I remember seeing it

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Thanks. I had missed that. Definitely not the piece of equipment I thought it was either after watching that second video.

Can anyone explain to me how this one works? When used for clearing a mine field and with limited video on it, I saw the attached wire/cable and assumed it was something like a bait cast net to give a dumbed down example. Throw it out in to the open field and you can reel it back in of sorts to trigger any mines. Clearly not what that was, so I have no idea how it works. It sets off a huge explosion though.

The entire cable has explosives attached. It blows up and hopefully all the mines within a certain distance of the line blow up do to the concussion/explosion.

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Russian version in Mariupol. Looks like theres has a really long delay.

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That's the one! I remember seeing it

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Thanks. I had missed that. Definitely not the piece of equipment I thought it was either after watching that second video.

Can anyone explain to me how this one works? When used for clearing a mine field and with limited video on it, I saw the attached wire/cable and assumed it was something like a bait cast net to give a dumbed down example. Throw it out in to the open field and you can reel it back in of sorts to trigger any mines. Clearly not what that was, so I have no idea how it works. It sets off a huge explosion though.

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It is a long hollow hose filled with bomblets linked together. It uses the rocket in the beginning to shoot it out over a distance at which point it is detonated and blowing up mines and other obstacles. It is used to clear a line which follow on forces are supposed to use by directly running/driving over that blast line.

This Russian version has a loooong detonation time though. One of the biggest problems about these systems is kinking. If a loop develops in the line, or it is cut somehow, the explosion chain will stop at that point. The beginning of the loop will blow and sever the line it is lying on before it circles around that loop to continue on the rest of the line. If that makes any sense. That was what I was thinking while waiting for it to blow. Like damn, someone could have run up and just hacked the line in half and severely negated the damage it would have. I am guessing it is a timed feature and wonder if that is standard or not. Seems incredibly unnecessary to me.

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It's stati g that the Russian population may be in terminal decline. Between deaths and those fleeing the male population is vanishing and with that the stability of the country. Which was already massively unhealthy and in decline. Alcoholism, drug abuse and disease was gutting them. Adding war and those fleeing is only goi g to magnify their issues. And it's not close to being over.

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This is valid mid-term strategically. But it's also a driver I think for the conflict from Putin's side as he wanted to do it before the bubble completely burst of military age men to throw into the meat grinder.

The only issue with the conclusion otherwise is that the country that was steepest into that doom loop on earth was/is...Ukraine. Per The Atlantic in...2020:

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Ukraine's president wanders the deserted streets of the capital, Kyiv, feasting in vacated supermarkets and ringing the bells of Saint Michael's Monastery, in the forlorn hope of reaching someone left to hear them. Elsewhere, a few souls can still be found: A pro-Russian fighter stalks empty buildings in the country's east; a supermodel wins contest after contest in which she is the only competitor; an itinerant oligarch hammers signs into the ground to "claim" abandoned territory.

The scenes are fictitiousthe first from a 2017 episode of a comedy series starring the man who is now Ukraine's actual president; the others from a 2018 mockumentaryyet they testify to a growing unease in the country over its declining population. This worry pervades much of Ukraine's immediate region: In a United Nations study, the top 10 countries ranked by their projected population decline over the next 30 years are all in post-socialist Eastern Europe, an area characterized by low birth rates, small numbers of immigrants, and large numbers of departing citizens.

Ukraine nevertheless stands apart. It is still a nation at war, yet in a survey last year, 55 percent of residents named mass emigration as the greatest threat to their countrythe UN estimates that Ukraine could lose nearly a fifth of its population by 2050.
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Ukraine's experience also spotlights the fact that, try as they might, governments can do little to arrest emigration and depopulation, whether through populist right-wing programs to incentivize having babies or via financial handouts for returning migrs. And while many Western countries, including the United States, have focused on the supposed perils or promise of greater immigration, others, such as Ukraine, illustrate the significant cost of a falling population, from the shallow labor force to the nearly abandoned towns that dot the landscape.

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How many young adults will remain in the Ukrainian controlled part of Ukraine after the war, assuming it ends soon? Is it to be worth a $500 billion+ reconstruction 'marshall plan?'

Zelensky hints Ukraine may be forced to withdraw from Bakhmut.

Putin accepts the credentials of the new US ambassador Lynne Tracy (and other ambassadors) and then proceeds to lecture her on “color revolutions," "support for the 2014 state coup in Kyiv" (and other things). (source: https://t.co/Hf2WCcI2AM) pic.twitter.com/vFgBm0TafU

— Mike Eckel (@Mike_Eckel) April 5, 2023

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Russian version in Mariupol. Looks like theres has a really long delay.

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That's the one! I remember seeing it

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Thanks. I had missed that. Definitely not the piece of equipment I thought it was either after watching that second video.

Can anyone explain to me how this one works? When used for clearing a mine field and with limited video on it, I saw the attached wire/cable and assumed it was something like a bait cast net to give a dumbed down example. Throw it out in to the open field and you can reel it back in of sorts to trigger any mines. Clearly not what that was, so I have no idea how it works. It sets off a huge explosion though.

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It is a long hollow hose filled with bomblets linked together. It uses the rocket in the beginning to shoot it out over a distance at which point it is detonated and blowing up mines and other obstacles. It is used to clear a line which follow on forces are supposed to use by directly running/driving over that blast line.

This Russian version has a loooong detonation time though. One of the biggest problems about these systems is kinking. If a loop develops in the line, or it is cut somehow, the explosion chain will stop at that point. The beginning of the loop will blow and sever the line it is lying on before it circles around that loop to continue on the rest of the line. If that makes any sense. That was what I was thinking while waiting for it to blow. Like damn, someone could have run up and just hacked the line in half and severely negated the damage it would have. I am guessing it is a timed feature and wonder if that is standard or not. Seems incredibly unnecessary to me.

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Thanks. That makes sense. Basically a line charge that explodes and the pressure wave or vibration causes any mines to also explode within 'x' distance of it making it safe and wide enough for vehicles to then drive over that line.

I just found this video that also helped me understand it more if anyone else wants to see it a little more. Your explanation and the video made it easier though.



Regarding the sniper video, it looked like only the right side of the building had an explosion. I would have thought more of the line would have exploded as well. I'm assuming the first 100' or so doesn't have any explosives attached to it and that just explains it though.

Putin says it's all the fault of the US. Glad he cleared that up.

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Putin says it's all the fault of the US. Glad he cleared that up.

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Funny. I thought I remember it supposedly being about Nazis and the UN.

Guess not.

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Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs accused Ukraine in interference with Russian communication satellites, calls it unprecedented violation of international law

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The satellites themselves?