BQ78 said:

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Which sadly sends the message that we expect this conflict to grind on for years. Which is a tragedy for the entire world, especially Ukraine.

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Perhaps, but that's not consistent with DOD statements. Milley, for example, recently said he is comfortable that Ukraine will have sufficient armor of all types to mount a major spring offensive, and that was even before Germany agreed that other countries may donate their Leo's.

I predict an offensive, not a decisive one. Sending assets that won't be self sustaining in Ukraine until 2024 says we don't think this is over in three months.

What is the alternative?

BQ78 said:

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I predict an offensive, not a decisive one. Sending assets that won't be self sustaining in Ukraine until 2024 says we don't think this is over in three months.

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I didn't suggest a timeline, just that our senior general believes the delivery of Bradleys and Strykers, plus ongoing transfers of upgraded European T-72s will enable a significant spring offensive. Leos should only add to that confidence. By spring, Ukraine will have more and better armor of all types than it started the war with.

We'll ensure our armor deliveries are sustainable and the Leo will be sustained by its multinational support infrastructure in next-door Europe.

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Waffledynamics said:

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Wait WHAT

The Biden administration is leaning toward sending “a significant number” of M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, two U.S. officials told me and @alexbward. An announcement could come as early as this week. https://t.co/Mzwvjrth15

— Lara Seligman (@laraseligman) January 24, 2023

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90 seconds to nuclear midnight!

it seems very strange that the messaging for an entire year has been "it doesn't make sense to send Abrams to Ukraine"

and suddenly in one day it becomes "yeah we are sending a lot of Abrams to Ukraine"

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Gotta be in response to Russia wanting to open up multiple fronts

Get some peace talks going to cool the fire and not throw more logs on it.

I also find it very disconcerting that we have to do this in order for a "good ally," who is still buying Russian energy, to do what they ought to consider as the right thing, without us conceding a reckless act.

They told you that?

A few months ago they almost ended the thing but the UK and US nixed the deal. So I don't buy that. At this point the Russians would love to find a graceful way out.

BQ78 said:

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They told you that?

A few months ago they almost ended the thing but the UK and US nixed the deal. So I don't buy that. At this point the Russians would love to find a graceful way out.

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I've been following the war and have never seen anyone say Russia was close to ending it. In fact, all their actions say they are not close to ending it.

Also you seem to be misremembering. A few months ago Pentagon officials were publicly saying Ukraine needed to peacefully end the fight while they still held good cards (a view I personally agreed with).

BQ78 said:

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Get some peace talks going to cool the fire and not throw more logs on it.

I also find it very disconcerting that we have to do this in order for a "good ally," who is still buying Russian energy, to do what they ought to consider as the right thing, without us conceding a reckless act.

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Germany no longer imports any Russian energy.

Peace talks? Anything short of total Ukrainian annexation and Putin will be murdered by his own citizens. The death toll on this war has been in the tens of thousands at the minimum (Six digits by some accounts) and has been at the expense of the ordinary Russian citizen's ability to be incorporated into the global economy. Russia is all the way in. Unless Moscow gets taken, or Russia runs out of men, they will not negotiate.

Guess you all missed this:

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/

Significantly reduced is not stopped.

Well I withdraw my suggestion then, "Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war."

What conclusion, that the US should try to end the war instead of ramp it up?

And BTW, I don't blame OA for doubting the article I posted, it is hard to tell what is truth with the propaganda that gets passed off as news by everybody. But enough people, who I find more trust worthy than others ,say the west nixed a peace deal as outlined in the article I posted..

I don't view sending armor to Ukraine as an escalation. The West just doesn't have the manufacturing capacity to produce Soviet spec munitions in large quantities and Ukraine is quietly running out.

We're providing armor and related munitions to help Ukraine maintain their current capabilities.

Where did I say that?

That's the option unless you live in fantasy land.

That wasn't the option last June but I'm sure you must be right, because you say so.

BQ78 said:

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That wasn't the option last June but I'm sure you must be right, because you say so.

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That article is an article that pointificates on another article that states something may have been in talks. Give me a break.

If you want to take something from that article as gospel, take this.

"Putin cannot be negotiated with"

BQ78 said:

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That wasn't the option last June but I'm sure you must be right, because you say so.

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What WAS the option last June? I'd be interested in hearing the confirmed details of the deal Russia put forward that guaranteed their full withdrawal and left the territorial integrity intact. I seem to have missed that. Thanks for the info.

BQ78 said:

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it is hard to tell what is truth with the propaganda that gets passed off as news by everybody. ..

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Let me help you out with" the truth ".

Russia and Putin started a war and were rolling tanks blitzkrieg style toward a foreign capital with the intention of decapitating a foreign Government. During the war effort the Russians have committed countless atrocity toward civilians.

- Our tanks have top secret armor
- export variants could be sent are in Morocco, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi, Australia

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m1-abrams-tanks-in-u-s-inventory-have-armor-too-secret-to-send-to-ukraine

Now we're just bickering. How about just agreeing to disagree?

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Reports of incoming massive drones attack in Ukraine

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/25-january-reports-of-incoming-massive-drones-attack-in-ukraine

That was posted 2 hours ago on LiveUaMap. Subsequent reports indicate these have been targeting the Zaporizhzhia and Dnipropetrovsk regions. My WAG is that they're targeting something to either blunt a Ukrainian attack or into soften defenses abd C2 ahead of a planned Russian attack.