According to the ministry, the supply of body armor from Iran is response to a severe shortage of basic personal military equipment with which to supply hundreds of thousands of conscripts mobilized by Russia in the past month.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) October 24, 2022

They can't find uniforms for their conscripts. There is zero chance they have CBR suits for them. But then Russia has shown zero care about losing thousands of troops, so why would they care if a few thousand more get wiped out by their little false flag exercise?

They just keep going on, and on, and on…

The Russian Foreign Ministry demands that Ukraine stop provocative actions to prepare a “dirty bomb” and for the west to stop taking actions that lead the world to a nuclear catastrophe, and to not ignore #Russia's warnings - RIA

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 24, 2022

I feel this is all coming to a head. Kind of sick to my stomach thinking someone big is happening soon.

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I feel this is all coming to a head. Kind of sick to my stomach thinking someone big is happening soon.

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Same.

If Russia uses one, tactically speaking where would it even make sense? Within Kherson? Melitipol? Luhansk? Operationally speaking it only thwarts their ability to advance and even if they had one it would only be useful in defensive measures.

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They just keep going on, and on, and on…

The Russian Foreign Ministry demands that Ukraine stop provocative actions to prepare a “dirty bomb” and for the west to stop taking actions that lead the world to a nuclear catastrophe, and to not ignore #Russia's warnings - RIA

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 24, 2022

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I would think that if we thought Russia doing a dirty bomb was a real possibility of happening we'd be sending out our own ultimatums about the consequences of such an action, so I'm less concerned.

On the converse though, how does the west/NATO respond to this if it does happen? Is it conventional WW3 at this point and we're all in? Does this war get put on hold while an "investigation" to the cause of the explosion happens? How would that work?

<is this on topic?>

rgag12 said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I feel this is all coming to a head. Kind of sick to my stomach thinking someone big is happening soon.

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That's what Russia wants you to think. It's all mind games

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Russia is also kinda bat **** crazy though. I was one of those who was firm at scoffing at any nuclear talk months ago but they won't shut up about it and I am pessimistic enough to view it as a possibility now. Still think it is a very remote chance but it is no longer an "absolutely not" in my mind. Although, I will admit that a bias mindset has crept into me lately of the opposition doing what they say the other will do. Which Russia also has a history of. Basically them screaming about Ukraine using nuclear weapons make me think they might in the end themselves. Russia has always been rather irrational and they are in a rough position right now.

I know this "will it happen" talk is not the main point of this thread but I do Wonder what prepping some NEST team deployments would do to the dynamic of the war. Would optics be good or bad and would that action alone force events one way or the other?

For the Russians it doesn't make any tactical sense to use a dirty bomb really anywhere. They are basically a terror weapon that would communicate we don't have the ability or intent to ever take/hold Lviv, Kyiv, Kherson take your pick, but we're flipping you off as we retreat. And it would probably be more difficult for them to create and employ a dirty bomb when tactical nuclear weapons are available. Now, Sabotaging Enerhodar nuclear power plant creating a nuclear mess if they thought they couldn't hold it - that is probable - but currently Ukraine isn't pushing that way.

The Russians could assess that the Ukrainians may use one on Donetsk, Luhansk, Sevastopol, and maybe Melitopol to deny use of an occupied city not likely to be retaken in short term.

Wagner's Prigozhyn is seen agitating convicts to fight again, saying there is nothing shameful to change your mind while still in prison, but after leaving, there's no way back. pic.twitter.com/ia2joNziau

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) October 23, 2022

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Rossticus said:

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They just keep going on, and on, and on…

The Russian Foreign Ministry demands that Ukraine stop provocative actions to prepare a “dirty bomb” and for the west to stop taking actions that lead the world to a nuclear catastrophe, and to not ignore #Russia's warnings - RIA

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 24, 2022

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I would think that if we thought Russia doing a dirty bomb was a real possibility of happening we'd be sending out our own ultimatums about the consequences of such an action, so I'm less concerned.

On the converse though, how does the west/NATO respond to this if it does happen? Is it conventional WW3 at this point and we're all in? Does this war get put on hold while an "investigation" to the cause of the explosion happens? How would that work?

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We, the west, have the capability of knowing who would've launched a dirty bomb almost immediately.

There is precedence on how to respond to an event like that IMO. In 2017 the US launched missles at a Syrian airbase where we knew Syria had launched a chemical attack on its own people. I imagine in a dirty bomb scenario the US/NATO would respond similarly. A full-fledged nuke would probably evoke a larger response that we haven't yet seen before.

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For the Russians it doesn't make any tactical sense to use a dirty bomb really anywhere. They are basically a terror weapon that would communicate we don't have the ability or intent to ever take/hold Lviv, Kyiv, Kherson take your pick, but we're flipping you off as we retreat. And it would probably be more difficult for them to create and employ a dirty bomb when tactical nuclear weapons are available. Now, Sabotaging Enerhodar nuclear power plant creating a nuclear mess if they thought they couldn't hold it - that is probable - but currently Ukraine isn't pushing that way.

The Russians could assess that the Ukrainians may use one on Donetsk, Luhansk, Sevastopol, and maybe Melitopol to deny use of an occupied city not likely to be retaken in short term.

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This has nothing to do with "tactical sense". It has to do with manufacturing justification for escalation that they can propagandize both internally and within the few countries who remain allied with them. It's the manufacture of a strategically beneficial provocation at worst and at best another threat to attempt to stem the tide of western support.

If they went through with it, this fits the mold of Chechnya and Syria. Putin has verifiably both blown up his own people as justification for escalation AND in cooperation with Assad gassed Syrian rebels while saying they gassed themselves to frame Assad/Supportive Russian forces… and then used it as a pretext to escalate attacks.

The one thing that worries me about escalation into bio/nuclear/chemical with russia is almost all of their responses to setbacks seem to be emotional rather than tactical. They waste stockpiles of weapons that they are low in inventory on not on military targets but civilian. Sometimes I feel its like a 5 yr old throwing a tantrum in their responses.

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The one thing that worries me about escalation into bio/nuclear/chemical with russia is almost all of their responses to setbacks seem to be emotional rather than tactical. They waste stockpiles of weapons that they are low in inventory on not on military targets but civilian. Sometimes I feel its like a 5 yr old throwing a tantrum in their responses.

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If you want a tactical reasoning for using a dirty bomb, you use it in Kherson when it has a bunch of convicts you don't care about and then you make the area unusable and sever all the links across the river. Nice defendable boundary right? Then you use a nuke on Uke forces in the East and escalate to deescalate while you still have your land bridge and land in the East.

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If you want a tactical reasoning for using a dirty bomb, you use it in Kherson when it has a bunch of convicts you don't care about and then you make the area unusable and sever all the links across the river. Nice defendable boundary right? Then you use a nuke on Uke forces in the East and escalate to deescalate while you still have your land bridge and land in the East.

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And that "land bridge" becomes the highway of death PDQ, IMO.

Russia provides "information" that is clearly bullisht (see previous post of Russia's leaked "evidence"). Everyone rolls their eyes and calls out Russia.

Russia:

“Their [the NATO countries’] disbelief of the information that was handed over by the Russian side does not mean that the threat of using a dirty bomb ceases to exist. The threat is clear,” Peskov said.

— Apex (@Apex_WW) October 24, 2022

Residents of Kherson region are in a very difficult position: Russia won't allow them to go to Ukrainian side, and they don't know what will happen if they "evacuate" to Russia.

And Russians claim that all who stay might cooperate with 🇺🇦 Army and therefore need to be destroyed. pic.twitter.com/JBpJiIRHh5

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) October 24, 2022

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If you want a tactical reasoning for using a dirty bomb, you use it in Kherson when it has a bunch of convicts you don't care about and then you make the area unusable and sever all the links across the river. Nice defendable boundary right? Then you use a nuke on Uke forces in the East and escalate to deescalate while you still have your land bridge and land in the East.

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And that "land bridge" becomes the highway of death PDQ, IMO.

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While that is the case, you're reading from the NATO/Western playbook. Your opponent isn't playing by those rules.

Russia's most important source of revenue is steadily slumping.

Putin remains a master strategist.

OIL

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Rossticus said:

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They just keep going on, and on, and on…

The Russian Foreign Ministry demands that Ukraine stop provocative actions to prepare a “dirty bomb” and for the west to stop taking actions that lead the world to a nuclear catastrophe, and to not ignore #Russia's warnings - RIA

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 24, 2022

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I would think that if we thought Russia doing a dirty bomb was a real possibility of happening we'd be sending out our own ultimatums about the consequences of such an action, so I'm less concerned.

On the converse though, how does the west/NATO respond to this if it does happen? Is it conventional WW3 at this point and we're all in? Does this war get put on hold while an "investigation" to the cause of the explosion happens? How would that work?

<is this on topic?>

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see my posts above showing the 101st Airborne division on the borders of Ukraine right now.

for the first time in 80 years they have deployed to Europe.

that probably gives a hint of WTF is going on behind the scenes.

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Rossticus said:

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They just keep going on, and on, and on…

The Russian Foreign Ministry demands that Ukraine stop provocative actions to prepare a “dirty bomb” and for the west to stop taking actions that lead the world to a nuclear catastrophe, and to not ignore #Russia's warnings - RIA

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 24, 2022

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I would think that if we thought Russia doing a dirty bomb was a real possibility of happening we'd be sending out our own ultimatums about the consequences of such an action, so I'm less concerned.

On the converse though, how does the west/NATO respond to this if it does happen? Is it conventional WW3 at this point and we're all in? Does this war get put on hold while an "investigation" to the cause of the explosion happens? How would that work?

<is this on topic?>

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see my posts above showing the 101st Airborne division on the borders of Ukraine right now.

for the first time in 80 years they have deployed to Europe.

that probably gives a hint of WTF is going on behind the scenes.

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So what are the chances they are staged there to be able to go in with only a few hours notice if it looks like Russians are going to cause a meltdown at one of the nuke plants?

Rossticus said:

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Russia provides "information" that is clearly bullisht (see previous post of Russia's leaked "evidence"). Everyone rolls their eyes and calls out Russia.

Russia:

“Their [the NATO countries’] disbelief of the information that was handed over by the Russian side does not mean that the threat of using a dirty bomb ceases to exist. The threat is clear,” Peskov said.

— Apex (@Apex_WW) October 24, 2022

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Of course the threat is real. Psychos are talking about it and all other kinds of tin foil hat psycho terrorism that "might happen".

There's just a 0.01% chance it originates with the military of Ukraine.



I'm not going to lend credence to the monthly end of the world posts. But this seems to be heading to the end of either Russia or Putin. At this point, it's probably 50/50 which.

txags92 said:

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LMCane said:

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Rossticus said:

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They just keep going on, and on, and on…

The Russian Foreign Ministry demands that Ukraine stop provocative actions to prepare a “dirty bomb” and for the west to stop taking actions that lead the world to a nuclear catastrophe, and to not ignore #Russia's warnings - RIA

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 24, 2022

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I would think that if we thought Russia doing a dirty bomb was a real possibility of happening we'd be sending out our own ultimatums about the consequences of such an action, so I'm less concerned.

On the converse though, how does the west/NATO respond to this if it does happen? Is it conventional WW3 at this point and we're all in? Does this war get put on hold while an "investigation" to the cause of the explosion happens? How would that work?

<is this on topic?>

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see my posts above showing the 101st Airborne division on the borders of Ukraine right now.

for the first time in 80 years they have deployed to Europe.

that probably gives a hint of WTF is going on behind the scenes.

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So what are the chances they are staged there to be able to go in with only a few hours notice if it looks like Russians are going to cause a meltdown at one of the nuke plants?

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Considering that's not a 101st mission, probably none. They might go in to consolidate things after it's taken though.

We had 60K+ troops in Europe before Russia kicked things off. As of August we had 100K+ troops in Europe. The 101st while a well known and feared large force entity, is just another tool in the toolbox. I have no doubt any commander of any specialized force is politicking their ass off to get stationed in Europe right now.

Sometimes I wonder just how many Russian casualties have in fact resulted from their compulsion to loot everything they come across instead of behaving like a military force. Loot lust is real.

Russians tried to collect something, but in the meanwhile received a gift from the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine🤷‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/nOrY3nTYUV

— ТРУХА⚡️English (@TpyxaNews) October 24, 2022

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General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine confirmed control over Karmazynivka, Myasozharivka and Nevske of Luhansk region and Novosadove of Donetsk region

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-october-general-staff-of-armed-forces-of-ukraine-confirmed

Ukraine is pushing further East.

Edit: added map screenshot and included Kharkiv for geographical reference.

The threat is probably remote but I bought some iodine pills off Amazon just in case.

MOSCOW A Russian warplane crashed into a residential building in the Siberian city of Irkutsk Sunday, killing both crewmembers, regional authorities said.

There was no immediate information on casualties on the ground.

Irkutsk Gov. Igor Kobzev said the plane came down on a two-story building in the city.

The local branch of Russia's Emergencies Ministry said the Su-30 fighter jet crashed during a training flight and fell on a two-story wooden building, sparking a fire.

Videos posted on social networks from surveillance cameras showed the building engulfed by flames and firefighters deployed to extinguish the blaze.

The crash came less than a week after another Russian warplane crashed near an apartment building in the Sea of Azov port of Yeysk and exploded in a giant fireball, killing 15 and injuring another 19.