***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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LostInLA07
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In reply to SPF250 • 2:31p, 9/26/22
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Who exactly do you envision giving Ukraine nukes in your hypothetical?
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In reply to LostInLA07 • 2:32p, 9/26/22
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LostInLA07 said:
Who exactly do you envision giving Ukraine nukes in your hypothetical?
See my post just above yours. I know this is crazy. Just spit ballin.
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2:34p, 9/26/22
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Absolutely nobody is giving Ukraine nukes. They don't need them. They've already got the support of multiple nuclear states. Giving them nukes would be high risk with little to no point.
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In reply to SPF250 • 2:39p, 9/26/22
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I saw it...just unclear if you think there is any scenario where Russia would give Ukraine nukes because of a treaty or really for any reason at all?

Honestly I don't think the US would support arming Ukraine with nukes either. That is probably the one and only thing the US and Russia could agree on regarding Ukraine right now.
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In reply to SPF250 • 2:40p, 9/26/22
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SPF250 said:
Tell me why this wouldn't work as I am clearly not an attorney or a politician.

The Budapest Memorandum is the treaty whereby Ukraine and a couple of other Russian Republics gave up their nukes. Russia was a signatory. Their part of the treaty was they agreed to recognize Ukrainian sovereignty. Clearly that didn't happen. Instead of a violation of the treaty, could the treaty be voided? Give Ukraine back their nukes and go back to square one. Putin then has a whole new set of considerations before he does something else crazy.
If I were Ukraine, this would definitely be on my negotiating list but I wouldn't walk away from a deal returning Crimea just b/c Russia won't return 20 nukes.
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2:53p, 9/26/22
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2:59p, 9/26/22
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Top notch training accommodations:



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In reply to Waffledynamics • 3:02p, 9/26/22
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16 at least, probably a full salvo of 18, so 3 full launch loads....

I wonder what they're hitting for that many precision rockets?
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3:02p, 9/26/22
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3:16p, 9/26/22
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In reply to FriscoKid • 3:27p, 9/26/22
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It would be great if the Russians retreat in chaos from Lyman. If the Ukrainian forces can keep the momentum, we can hopefully witness another big land grab.
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4:08p, 9/26/22
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Russian army is running out of stuff.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 4:11p, 9/26/22
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FriscoKid said:


Russian army is running out of stuff.


That can't be real.
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4:36p, 9/26/22
Recruits being told to suppy cheap feminine hygiene products for wound care? Is this for real? Why on earth would the Russian military let the recruits film this stuff and put it on the internet for the world to see?

I'm glad things are going so poorly for the Russian military by the way. Just wish innocents on both sides weren't suffering so much though.
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4:36p, 9/26/22
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In reply to lb3 • 4:38p, 9/26/22
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lb3 said:
Top notch training accommodations:



All they need is Col. Hogan, LeBeau, Newkirk and Sgt. Schultz and the gang will be together again
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4:42p, 9/26/22
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In the four days since the announcement of Russia's first mobilization since World War II, about 260,000 men of military age have left the country, independent media outlet Novaya Gazeta Europe reported Sunday, citing a Kremlin source.
Moscow Times
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:44p, 9/26/22
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Waiting for the false flag attack on that traffic jam
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4:49p, 9/26/22
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A friend of mine that has family in Russia claims that a lot of the traffic fleeing Russia is from people that are illegally in the country fleeing before they get discovered during mobilization sweep efforts.

He also claims that the call ups are all very targeted toward former military members. Definitely has some different spins on things than the impression I have.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:49p, 9/26/22
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aggiehawg said:
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In the four days since the announcement of Russia's first mobilization since World War II, about 260,000 men of military age have left the country, independent media outlet Novaya Gazeta Europe reported Sunday, citing a Kremlin source.
Moscow Times


You know there's some Russian waking up after a 5 day bender looking around going "Comrades? Comrades?" wondering where everybody is.

But what does that translate to lost economic power and possible lost future population since these men might still be single or were planning on having more kids. Those people are not coming back unless the Russian federation is drastically different.
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In reply to RikkiTikkaTagem • 4:55p, 9/26/22
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But what does that translate to lost economic power and possible lost future population since these men might still be single or were planning on having more kids. Those people are not coming back unless the Russian federation is drastically different.
Unless Putin pulls a Carter and gives them amnesty when this is over. Even then, I wouldn't trust that.
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5:41p, 9/26/22
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Ukrainian air defense shot down all 3 kamikaze drones on their way to Odesa
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-september-ukrainian-air-defense-shot-down-all-3-kamikaze

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5:44p, 9/26/22
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Ukrainian military reportedly entered Pisky-Radkivski village in Kharkiv region

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-september-ukrainian-military-reportedly-entered-piskyradkivski



Top left: the highlighted rifle icon. I focused this so you can see Lyman. I've seen speculation that Ukraine is going for a large envelopment with moves like this as part of the execution.

Edit: More corroboration


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5:49p, 9/26/22
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Bottom right. I included Kupyansk for orientation purposes. Are the Ukrainians that far over the river?
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 6:18p, 9/26/22
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Waffledynamics said:
Bottom right. I included Kupyansk for orientation purposes. Are the Ukrainians that far over the river?
River (front lines) is only 9 miles away. Pinpoint accuracy regardless.
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6:26p, 9/26/22
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Kryvyi Rih airport is fully out of service after Russian missile strike with Kh-59 missile

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-september-kryvyi-rih-airport-is-fully-out-of-service-after

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6:30p, 9/26/22
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:52p, 9/26/22
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aggiehawg said:
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In the four days since the announcement of Russia's first mobilization since World War II, about 260,000 men of military age have left the country, independent media outlet Novaya Gazeta Europe reported Sunday, citing a Kremlin source.
Moscow Times
they are headed to the economic crap hole faster than a Stuka dive bomber
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8:23p, 9/26/22
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Today's SITREP.
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In reply to RikkiTikkaTagem • 8:33p, 9/26/22
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But what does that translate to lost economic power and possible lost future population since these men might still be single or were planning on having more kids.

Cheap vodka for the next 15 years?
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9:04p, 9/26/22
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 9:08p, 9/26/22
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Smart move IMO.
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In reply to 2wealfth Man • 9:13p, 9/26/22
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Russia is going to be lucky to hold on to Crimea at this point. Every move they are making now is desperate and digging the hole deeper and deeper.

This is going to go down in history as a pretty big military defeat. I have a hard time seeing how the two side are going to call a truce and let Russia keep one square inch of Ukraine land.

Putin made a seriously horrible judgement call in February and they got their asses kicked. If they launch Nukes then they will fail to exist as a country anymore. But, outside of Nukes I think they are out of options.
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9:24p, 9/26/22
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looks like the TOW is now in the house. Per the tweet they will all have the Improved Target Acquisition systems.
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9:28p, 9/26/22
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I'm not hearing much about the tens of thousands of women and children that were shipped off to Eastern Russia. Was any of that confirmed?

If RU kidnapped thousands, then Zelenski should definitely take Crimea.
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