***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Proc92 said:

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Look like SU-24 and TU-122 but I am not sure. Just noticed the assessment above. Ouch. That's a lot of aircraft added to the lost column and not insignificant types.
It would be a shame if a bunch of the pilots for those planes started pushing up sunflowers as well.
Being reported "at least 60 pilots and civilians" cargo 200 and 100 more cargo 300
I don't know what the 200, 100, and 300 mean here.


It's the new Russian terminology. They refer to cargo 200 as KIA and cargo 300 as WIA. So they are saying this means that 60 were killed and 100 injured
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Belarus confirms a "testing mishap" at an airfield.

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The Krokodil is strong in Belarus
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Private PoopyPants said:

Belarus confirms a "testing mishap" at an airfield.




8 independent accidents? Is this synonymous with the man who died by accidentally falling on a knife 27 times?
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A labeled image of the damage in Crimea.

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AGS-R-TUFF said:

What would prevent a friendly Baltic country (Poland) from allowing the Ukes to transfer men and materials to a manufacturing facility in NATO territory? Then, the Ukes could (secretly) advance the development of maybe a few longer range (GROM) missiles and send those back into the fight.
Good point. Repairing damaged Ukrainian armored vehicles in Poland has been happening for months.

Also the possibility of subcontracting critical parts or assemblies to several friendly countries for final assembly in Ukraine. Since the design and final assembly would be 100% Ukrainian it would provide NATO with the needed deniability shield. Absolutely not dissimilar to Russia using US chips in their advanced guidance systems.
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Come on in the water is great.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
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Waffledynamics said:


These "accidents" all seem to have the common thread of happening to important equipment or facilities. Crazy bad luck. I hope the trend continues!
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AGS-R-TUFF said:

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I have a feeling the Groms just made their first appearance. The Ukrainians have developed multiple weapon systems but are limited in production.

After the success of the Himars, just the rumors of a longer range systems are causing the Ivans to skedaddle across the Kerch bridge.



Here's a question:

how is the vaunted Red Army that was supposed to roll over NATO not able to destroy the Ukrainian Air Force and military production plants?!

are the Ukes using new mobile manufacturing plants for their advanced weaponry?!/

that's an insane amount of fail when Russia has many satellites.
After reading your post, I had a curious thought…

What would prevent a friendly Baltic country (Poland) from allowing the Ukes to transfer men and materials to a manufacturing facility in NATO territory? Then, the Ukes could (secretly) advance the development of maybe a few longer range (GROM) missiles and send those back into the fight.

Just thinking out loud.





Putin will find out and then threaten to nuke the host country- but yes that would be a good plan.

or better yet have the NATO allies slowly infiltrate into Ukraine all the necessary materials for the Ukes to begin building certain types of weapon systems.
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JB!98 said:

Waffledynamics said:


These "accidents" all seem to have the common thread of happening to important equipment or facilities. Crazy bad luck. I hope the trend continues!


#safetyculture
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Ulysses90 said:

JB!98 said:

Waffledynamics said:


These "accidents" all seem to have the common thread of happening to important equipment or facilities. Crazy bad luck. I hope the trend continues!


#safetyculture
They need to establish mandatory "safety tailgate" meetings every morning. The Ukes should then target said safety meetings!
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Ballistic missiles.
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Russian reactive armor isn't.
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lb3 said:

Russian reactive armor isn't.
A government that doesn't place any value on the lives of their troops, isn't going to waste a cent on reactive armor.
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FriscoKid said:



Come on in the water is great.
Thats the old Benny Hill music !
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At 3:06, he says that Russia cannot cross the NovaKakhovka dam with their tanks due to the bridge damage. How the heck does Russia plan to support their troops on the North side of the Dnipro?
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What side is winnng at the moment? Is it mostly a standstill in the east and northeast?
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They are both losing
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WestAustinAg said:

What side is winnng at the moment? Is it mostly a standstill in the east and northeast?
It's somewhat of a draw at the moment, but Ukraine seems to be increasing in capacity with Western help while Russia is slowly languishing and suffering losses of men and equipment. The HIMARS and other long range weapons, plus Ukrainian partisan and SOF units, are putting some serious hurt on the Russians far behind the front lines.

Ukraine has gained some land back in the East near Izyum while they hold on against a troubling push towards Bakhmut, which is an important crossroads city that Russia really wants to capture.

Russia can't do much of anything in the Northeast (Kharkiv) area. Ukraine is holding an effective defense.
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AGS-R-TUFF said:

lb3 said:

Russian reactive armor isn't.
A government that doesn't place any value on the lives of their troops, isn't going to waste a cent on reactive armor.
I was at the Bovington (UK) Tank Museum in 2017. They have a T-55 on display that the Russians used for familiarizing tankers with the vehicle. It was a cut-away display so you could see the internal workings and layout of the tank. They had placed a modified turret on the tank that showed the armor thickness of the turret to be three times what it actually was. So not only do they not care, they actively misled their own men WRT the "indestructability" of their vehicle.


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BattleGrackle said:

They are both losing


We should consider the world is losing, be it food, fertilizer, O&G, spending money we don't have, and of course horrific loss of life much of which is innocent.

Ohh and now we have that fat **** stevie segal batting for the orcs a billion percent whatever that means.
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Quote:

As result of offensive on the direction Horlivka-Zaitseve Russian force have partial success, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/12-august-as-result-of-offensive-on-the-direction-horlivkazaitseve

This is probably 25-30 km south of Bakhmut. I wish I had a better understanding of the topography, because that seems like such a random place to advance
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2000AgPhD said:

AGS-R-TUFF said:

lb3 said:

Russian reactive armor isn't.
A government that doesn't place any value on the lives of their troops, isn't going to waste a cent on reactive armor.
I was at the Bovington (UK) Tank Museum in 2017. They have a T-55 on display that the Russians used for familiarizing tankers with the vehicle. It was a cut-away display so you could see the internal workings and layout of the tank. They had placed a modified turret on the tank that showed the armor thickness of the turret to be three times what it actually was. So not only do they not care, they actively misled their own men WRT the "indestructability" of their vehicle.



Interesting…

Equally notable is that there is no compartmentalization (separation) between the Russian tank crews and the munitions. One direct hit launches the turret 50 feet in the air and toasts the entire crew compartment.
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Today's SITREP.
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Waffledynamics said:

At 3:06, he says that Russia cannot cross the NovaKakhovka dam with their tanks due to the bridge damage. How the heck does Russia plan to support their troops on the North side of the Dnipro?
Exactly, all eyes on the Southern axis. The Ukes have crippled supply routes into the region, taken out several ammo dumps and allegedly smoked some Russian SAM sites (reportedly using HARM missiles).

With the orcs stacking up 25k troops in the region, Kherson is beginning to shape into a potential siege front. Keep the invaders geographically bottled up, slowly attrit, sabotage with embedded Uke loyalist and hopefully crater morale. Battles will be costly, but with limited resupply and refit capabilities for the Ruskies, I like the Ukes chances.

A tall order indeed. But the Southern front could be the key to a true reversal in favor of the home team.
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From SITREP link

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AGS-R-TUFF said:

Waffledynamics said:

At 3:06, he says that Russia cannot cross the NovaKakhovka dam with their tanks due to the bridge damage. How the heck does Russia plan to support their troops on the North side of the Dnipro?
Exactly, all eyes on the Southern axis. The Ukes have crippled supply routes into the region, taken out several ammo dumps and allegedly smoked some Russian SAM sites (reportedly using HARM missiles).

With the orcs stacking up 25k troops in the region, Kherson is beginning to shape into a potential siege front. Keep the invaders geographically bottled up, slowly attrit, sabotage with embedded Uke loyalist and hopefully crater morale. Battles will be costly, but with limited resupply and refit capabilities for the Ruskies, I like the Ukes chances.

A tall order indeed. But the Southern front could be the key to a true reversal in favor of the home team.
It almost seems like the best play here would be for this to be an actual feint.

  • Get Russia to commit much more strength to a small area then they normally would and weaken other sectors.
  • Geography and specialized stand off weapons allow them to essentially keep them cut off from the rest of the ongoing warzone.
  • Keep just enough of a fixing force in place and divert everything else to push the battle in the east somewhere or just north of the area enough to drive to the coast and split the southern front from the rest of the battlefield. Then Russia is forced for all resupply by sea or crimea over one bridge.

This would then turn the Russian weakness of logistics against them and make things interesting. Would Russia then commit full scale to the south while abandoning the north or east to avoid losing it and Crimea? Or would they pull out and focus on the east and northeast instead while abandoning the south?

Very interesting thoughts.
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The Ukes might have the best sense of humor I've ever seen from a county being torn apart by war.
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AGS-R-TUFF said:

2000AgPhD said:

AGS-R-TUFF said:

lb3 said:

Russian reactive armor isn't.
A government that doesn't place any value on the lives of their troops, isn't going to waste a cent on reactive armor.
I was at the Bovington (UK) Tank Museum in 2017. They have a T-55 on display that the Russians used for familiarizing tankers with the vehicle. It was a cut-away display so you could see the internal workings and layout of the tank. They had placed a modified turret on the tank that showed the armor thickness of the turret to be three times what it actually was. So not only do they not care, they actively misled their own men WRT the "indestructability" of their vehicle.



Interesting…

Equally notable is that there is no compartmentalization (separation) between the Russian tank crews and the munitions. One direct hit launches the turret 50 feet in the air and toasts the entire crew compartment.
There have been some great submissions in the Turret Toss competition during this war. Turrets are legitimately going up 100+ feet in the air with some of these catastrophic kills we have seen.

Mixed with the reveal on the rubber reactive armor reveal above, I am once again stunned at how awful Russia is. Say what you want about our own MIC and its motivations but at least we try to care about our warfighters on the near surface level.

Russia's issues in this war are cultural and systemic and seen over and over and over yet still somehow manages to shock me at times. Like the above "explosive" blocks. That to me is like sending us infantry out with paper mache plates instead of the Kevlar mesh ones we had. Wild.
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AgLA06 said:

AGS-R-TUFF said:

Waffledynamics said:

At 3:06, he says that Russia cannot cross the NovaKakhovka dam with their tanks due to the bridge damage. How the heck does Russia plan to support their troops on the North side of the Dnipro?
Exactly, all eyes on the Southern axis. The Ukes have crippled supply routes into the region, taken out several ammo dumps and allegedly smoked some Russian SAM sites (reportedly using HARM missiles).

With the orcs stacking up 25k troops in the region, Kherson is beginning to shape into a potential siege front. Keep the invaders geographically bottled up, slowly attrit, sabotage with embedded Uke loyalist and hopefully crater morale. Battles will be costly, but with limited resupply and refit capabilities for the Ruskies, I like the Ukes chances.

A tall order indeed. But the Southern front could be the key to a true reversal in favor of the home team.
It almost seems like the best play here would be for this to be an actual feint.

  • Get Russia to commit much more strength to a small area then they normally would and weaken other sectors.
  • Geography and specialized stand off weapons allow them to essentially keep them cut off from the rest of the ongoing warzone.
  • Keep just enough of a fixing force in place and divert everything else to push the battle in the east somewhere or just north of the area enough to drive to the coast and split the southern front from the rest of the battlefield. Then Russia is forced for all resupply by sea or crimea over one bridge.

This would then turn the Russian weakness of logistics against them and make things interesting. Would Russia then commit full scale to the south while abandoning the north or east to avoid losing it and Crimea? Or would they pull out and focus on the east and northeast instead while abandoning the south?

Very interesting thoughts.
I think the Ukrainian play in the South is to isolate a huge mass of troops from their resupply, encourage the public behind the lines to make the troops lives miserable, and then start biting off chunks of the territory until the Russian formations collapse with no feasible means of retreat. I think seeing such a large scale collapse of troops and surrender/retreat in poor order will do great damage to the psyche of the rest of the Russian troops and would likely be the turning point in the war if the Ukrainians can make it happen.
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