***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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It will be interesting to see how many Russian aircraft were destroyed at that air base. Already a very short clip showing a Russian bomber destroyed.
I suspect your referencing this one. Says its verified. Looks fresh.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/wkc6fq/aftermath_footage_from_the_russian_airbase_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

One thing is for sure there are 4 distinctly different smoke colors from those explosions. Which IMO is a good thing.


If that's real, I think there's only two places on that airfield that wild be based on the Google satellite imagery. Both have 6-8 fighters parked there on maps. Solid chance they just lost a much of aircraft.
New footage but not of aircraft destroyed building w multiple trucks in it. Still trying to geolocate but I cannot see this bldg being any closer than 170M to that aircraft pad with white lines on it.

updated with longer version

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/wkexgd/aftermath_of_a_strike_on_a_russian_ammo_depot/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

This parking lot is 605 meters from the aircraft pad on a heading of 296 degrees. Thats a lot of damage. still working on which bldg.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wkfpyx/consequences_for_nearby_areas_of_alleged/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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JFABNRGR said:

How about 3-5 launched suicide drones from SOF/Partisan team on station. Some of those things can be carried in a backpack.
That's my Vegas vote.
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benchmark said:

JFABNRGR said:

How about 3-5 launched suicide drones from SOF/Partisan team on station. Some of those things can be carried in a backpack.
That's my Vegas vote.
If this was SOF operatives, then it definitely expands the frontier of possibilities. Hopefully, we'll see more Russian airbases spontaneously combust.
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I asked this before and just got called old. Is there a way to see the reddit links without an account?
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CS78 said:

I asked this before and just got called old. Is there a way to see the reddit links without an account?
You can look at them on a computer. They want you to download the app on a phone. Reddit is trash, so I don't recommend supporting them with an app download.
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AGS-R-TUFF said:

benchmark said:

JFABNRGR said:

How about 3-5 launched suicide drones from SOF/Partisan team on station. Some of those things can be carried in a backpack.
That's my Vegas vote.
If this was SOF operatives, then it definitely expands the frontier of possibilities. Hopefully, we'll see more Russian airbases spontaneously combust.
after looking at the amount of damage and distances between main explosion sites on the air base, I think ATACMS are a real possibility. Targets appear to be Aircraft, Ammo blding, and a CP/dormitory.

The odds of 3-5 suicide drones being this effective at once is doubtful.
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ATACMS should be held in reserve for 1 major strike...ideally at subs at piers while they're reloading.

Plus other major high value targets deep.
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Waffledynamics said:

CS78 said:

I asked this before and just got called old. Is there a way to see the reddit links without an account?
You can look at them on a computer. They want you to download the app on a phone. Reddit is trash, so I don't recommend supporting them with an app download.


You can look at them through a browser on your phone as well
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JFABNRGR said:

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Re the airbase strike, why not a one-way drone mission? It's well within the TB2's range from Ukrainian-controlled territory, for example, and that would allow it to fly a circuitous low-level route all the way in to evade air defense radars.
I think this but different equipment; for arguments sake you could put antipersonnel munitions on the TB2 to attack aircraft on the ground and likely be very effective. I believe this would allow 4 hung and then run the TB2 into another giving you 5 almost simultaneous hits. Had this occurred at night or had the TB2 been able to fly in from the sun I think would be more credible but this looks like a pure day time attack.

How about 3-5 launched suicide drones from SOF/Partisan team on station. Some of those things can be carried in a backpack.

AGM88-ER/Gs also have that range and surely don't have to be antiradar guided.


No. This seems more like a ballistic missile attack.

There is significant damage across a very wide area. I doubt TB2's would make it this far. They could have the range, but they're slow and too easily shot down in this kind of environment. This would also likely require more than one, increasing the chances of detection. That seems like a waste of resources.

Loitering munitions don't pack the punch necessary for this, at least not the backpack kind. They could maybe hit a weapons or fuel storage area, by I doubt they actually set anything off. They have more anti-personnel and fragmentation warheads that aren't going to be powerful enough to trigger the high explosives in air dropped munitions. Larger munitions like the switchblade 600 might be able to do this, but they're much heavier at 50 lbs. The 600 doesn't have the range to strike from Ukrainian held territory, and I doubt they'd be sent to launch points behind Russian lines and risk capture. There are very few of them, and the opsec risk would be very high. Just too much risk.

I don't believe that version of the AGM-88 has entered production yet. Even if it had, I highly doubt it would be employed here. You would need several of them for this kind of attack, and the opsec risk is just too great. Failures or recovered parts could give information on capabilities and allow Russia or others plenty of time to try to devise counters.

A ballistic missile makes the most sense as it can carry a large warhead or a large number of submunitions capable of hitting spread out targets like parked aircraft, hangars, and weapons/fuel storage areas. Ukraine has also domestically produced such missiles, even if only in test rounds AFAIK. They could be more than willing to test such weapons on the battlefield because it's their fight and they have less to lose than we do if out shiny new toys don't work as expected and more to gain if they do.
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CS78 said:

I asked this before and just got called old. Is there a way to see the reddit links without an account?


Delete https://www

Replace with old

Old.reddit.
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I have a feeling the Groms just made their first appearance. The Ukrainians have developed multiple weapon systems but are limited in production.

After the success of the Himars, just the rumors of a longer range systems are causing the Ivans to skedaddle across the Kerch bridge.

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Seems like orcs shut off cell/internet service in crimea as nothing new out of there on the damage at air base. I take that as a very good sign.

President Zelensky using the opportunity to discuss crimea in general.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

No. This seems more like a ballistic missile attack.
Regardless of the facts, the official Ukrainian response should be "little green men."
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Fire at oil depot in Yeisk, Kuban


https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/10-august-fire-at-oil-depot-in-yeisk-kuban

Seems Russia is having problems with their oil depots again.
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I haven't been following that closely in recent weeks. Can anyone link to a recent overview of the state of things?
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DTP02 said:

I haven't been following that closely in recent weeks. Can anyone link to a recent overview of the state of things?
Russian oil facilities and ammo depots seem to be spontaneously exploding at a high rate.
or
Ukrainian HIMARS systems are easily targeting and blowing the hell out of their backfield.

Russian offensive actions are stalling. Bridges, trains, trucks continue to explode.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

DTP02 said:

I haven't been following that closely in recent weeks. Can anyone link to a recent overview of the state of things?
Russian oil facilities and ammo depots seem to be spontaneously exploding at a high rate.
or
Ukrainian HIMARS systems are easily targeting and blowing the hell out of their backfield.

Russian offensive actions are stalling. Bridges, trains, trucks continue to explode.


And yet Russia seems to be committing every warm body they can find to mass for a larger offensive.

It's like the quote from the Dirty Dozen.

"You may be right. But he's sure right about one thing. Somebody up there must be a raving lunatic."

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AgLA06 said:

JFABNRGR said:

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"As a result of the explosion, no one was injured. Aviation equipment at the airfield was not damaged," according to the MOD's statement. "Measures are being taken to extinguish the fire and find out the causes of the explosion. According to a report from the site, there was no fire impact on the bunded ammunition storage area at the airfield"


*cough* bull**** *cough*
beat me to almost verbatim post.

This video clearly shows at least 3 fires ongoing prior to the big bang, possibly 4, separated left to right by several hundred meters. Highly unlikely somebody tossed a cigarette butt onto the pallet of volatile materials.

Appears to be coordinated. Very interesting attack, would like to see more and know how how but if I only get one I will take more attacks. Sure hope they lost some aircraft in that as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/wkag5d/fire_in_the_hole/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I honestly am starting to think that Ukraine may not be intending to attack in the south. Just put a big enough show of force and threat that Russia pulls out. They've already pulled most of the black sea fleet. I think this was just another nudge to suggest they exit out the back door.

In reality if Russia can't have a sea base or airfield in Crimea without Ukraine hitting it at will, they're F'ed. No ability to support or supply any troops in the region.
It's pretty amazing how inept the Russkies are at air defense

and lack all capability to protect their strategic assets
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sclaff said:

I have a feeling the Groms just made their first appearance. The Ukrainians have developed multiple weapon systems but are limited in production.

After the success of the Himars, just the rumors of a longer range systems are causing the Ivans to skedaddle across the Kerch bridge.



Here's a question:

how is the vaunted Red Army that was supposed to roll over NATO not able to destroy the Ukrainian Air Force and military production plants?!

are the Ukes using new mobile manufacturing plants for their advanced weaponry?!/

that's an insane amount of fail when Russia has many satellites.
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LMCane said:

AgLA06 said:

JFABNRGR said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

Quote:

"As a result of the explosion, no one was injured. Aviation equipment at the airfield was not damaged," according to the MOD's statement. "Measures are being taken to extinguish the fire and find out the causes of the explosion. According to a report from the site, there was no fire impact on the bunded ammunition storage area at the airfield"


*cough* bull**** *cough*
beat me to almost verbatim post.

This video clearly shows at least 3 fires ongoing prior to the big bang, possibly 4, separated left to right by several hundred meters. Highly unlikely somebody tossed a cigarette butt onto the pallet of volatile materials.

Appears to be coordinated. Very interesting attack, would like to see more and know how how but if I only get one I will take more attacks. Sure hope they lost some aircraft in that as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/wkag5d/fire_in_the_hole/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I honestly am starting to think that Ukraine may not be intending to attack in the south. Just put a big enough show of force and threat that Russia pulls out. They've already pulled most of the black sea fleet. I think this was just another nudge to suggest they exit out the back door.

In reality if Russia can't have a sea base or airfield in Crimea without Ukraine hitting it at will, they're F'ed. No ability to support or supply any troops in the region.
It's pretty amazing how inept the Russkies are at air defense

and lack all capability to protect their strategic assets
Part of it is ukraine's ability to hit strategic defense radars. And secondly, Ukraine got all of that radar equipment early in the war. Its been enough time for a team of engineers to dissect the basics of it and start hiding from radars with perfect knowledge.
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Too many soldiers with too few supplies and they will overextend their logistical support rapidly, and could repeat what happened in the first weeks of the war. A tactically prepared defense could envelop a large portion of them in an untenable position and cut off their supplies sufficiently to force a mass surrender or withdrawal without heavy equipment.
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LMCane said:

sclaff said:

I have a feeling the Groms just made their first appearance. The Ukrainians have developed multiple weapon systems but are limited in production.

After the success of the Himars, just the rumors of a longer range systems are causing the Ivans to skedaddle across the Kerch bridge.



Here's a question:

how is the vaunted Red Army that was supposed to roll over NATO not able to destroy the Ukrainian Air Force and military production plants?!

are the Ukes using new mobile manufacturing plants for their advanced weaponry?!/

that's an insane amount of fail when Russia has many satellites.
You're assuming they have a military industry like we do. Doesn't appear to be the case for a lot of those countries. That's why the logistical system in place is such a big deal for the west to be bringing in all the ammo and equipment.

Other than testing a long range missile or two I haven't heard of Ukraine making anything you see impacting the battle field. And Russia has claimed to have taken out the Ukraine domestic made anti-ship missile production (who knows).

I think the bigger issue is it appears Ukraine is really good about catching / eliminating Russian spies or teams behind the lines. Something Russia appears to be struggling with and will continue as every former Ukrainian citizen is a potential spy / sabotager.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Too many soldiers with too few supplies and they will overextend their logistical support rapidly, and could repeat what happened in the first weeks of the war. A tactically prepared defense could envelop a large portion of them in an untenable position and cut off their supplies sufficiently to force a mass surrender or withdrawal without heavy equipment.
One can hope.

I keep seeing rumors that anyone able is fleeing Crimea after the attache yesterday. If that actually is the case it really opens up Crimea to the Ukes. I know it's not likely, but a sea born invasion behind Kherson could really F-up the Russians.
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Zelensky now stating that the airbase attack was a Ukrainian SOF mission, not missiles.
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74OA said:

Zelensky now stating that the airbase attack was a Ukrainian SOF mission, not missiles.
He might as well said little green men. Too many people around there for that to have been a manned assault. No way they wouldn't already be paraded on tv after getting caught.
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AgLA06 said:

74OA said:

Zelensky now stating that the airbase attack was a Ukrainian SOF mission, not missiles.
He might as well said little green men. Too many people around there for that to have been a manned assault. No way they wouldn't already be paraded on tv after getting caught.
There's a lot of assumptions in your comment. Any supporting facts to share?
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Moscow outraged that the EU might keep Russian tourists from partying in Europe, even while Putin starves the continent of energy. "It is not right that while Russia is waging an aggressive, brutal war of aggression in Europe, Russians can live a normal life, travel in Europe, be tourists," the prime minister said."

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AgLA06 said:

74OA said:

Zelensky now stating that the airbase attack was a Ukrainian SOF mission, not missiles.
He might as well said little green men. Too many people around there for that to have been a manned assault. No way they wouldn't already be paraded on tv after getting caught.
After Zelensky's comments I'm surprised that RuZZia hasn't rolled out some prisoners (actors, people walking down the street, some unlucky *******s) yet.
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74OA said:

AgLA06 said:

74OA said:

Zelensky now stating that the airbase attack was a Ukrainian SOF mission, not missiles.
He might as well said little green men. Too many people around there for that to have been a manned assault. No way they wouldn't already be paraded on tv after getting caught.
There's a lot of assumptions in your comment. Any supporting facts to share?
If we had supporting anything we wouldn't be discussing it.

Every video showing the attack had gobs of tourists and motorists in the video. Not to mention the actual Russian personnel at the base. It's extremely unlikely that men did that damage in person and made it out without being seen, let alone captured / killed.

That leaves us with the assumptions listed by the other guys of guided missiles or large coordinated drone attack being the most likely. When someone says SOF mission, they aren't assuming he means guys sitting remotely doing something.

What I'm not sure of, is why this conversation seemed to bother you. It's the point of the thread.
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Gilligan said:

AgLA06 said:

74OA said:

Zelensky now stating that the airbase attack was a Ukrainian SOF mission, not missiles.
He might as well said little green men. Too many people around there for that to have been a manned assault. No way they wouldn't already be paraded on tv after getting caught.
After Zelensky's comments I'm surprised that RuZZia hasn't rolled out some prisoners (actors, people walking down the street, some unlucky *******s) yet.
Right?!?

"These are the men that are to blame for our accidental accident that caused no damage!"

Would have been perfectly Russian thing to do.
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AgLA06 said:

74OA said:

AgLA06 said:

74OA said:

Zelensky now stating that the airbase attack was a Ukrainian SOF mission, not missiles.
He might as well said little green men. Too many people around there for that to have been a manned assault. No way they wouldn't already be paraded on tv after getting caught.
There's a lot of assumptions in your comment. Any supporting facts to share?
If we had supporting anything we wouldn't be discussing it.

Every video showing the attack had gobs of tourists and motorists in the video. Not to mention the actual Russian personnel at the base. It's extremely unlikely that men did that damage in person and made it out without being seen, let alone captured / killed.

That leaves us with the assumptions listed by the other guys of guided missiles or large coordinated drone attack being the most likely. When someone says SOF mission, they aren't assuming he means guys sitting remotely doing something.

What I'm not sure of, is why this conversation seemed to bother you. It's the point of the thread.
Your assumption that Zelensky is lying without offering anything to support that beyond opinion is what I responded to. Why does that seem to bother you?
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