***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Jayhawk said:

Rossticus said:


As I see it, keeping the Europeans (France and Germany basically) onside is the single key strategic vulnerability for the Ukrainians. The biggest vulnerability for the Ukes is that they can't self-pay for this war and they are going to be dependent on political, financial, and logistic support from the EU. Worst case if France and Germany make a "separate peace" with Russia to turn the gas back on, the US would have to shoulder essentially 100% of the financial burden for the war (appreciate the gesture UK but let's be serious here)... Poland would undoubtedly continue to provide a ready logistics hub ... but even for a globalist democratic administration in this scenario of "America alone" bankrolling the war there would be steadily increasing pressure to arrive at peace, whether or not the Ukrainians felt all of their war aims were satisfied.
France uses very little Russian gas. It is primarily nuclear powered. Germany's actions confirm they are serious about weaning themselves off of Russian gas as quickly as possible without going into a recession. No way either makes a separate peace in defiance of the US and the rest of Europe, even if they could convince Putin and coerce Zelenskyy, which they can't. At most, we may see diplomatic posturing from Macron until he gets past France's legislative elections in June.
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The world leaders promoting an immediate ceasefire while Russia holds territory are repugnant. Ukraine has no reason to ceasefire. They have every reason to win. I'd like to see them singing the same tune while their country is literally being pillaged and raped. I doubt they would say the same things.
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I wish there was a way to dump this in Germany's lap without the inevitable tragedy that would result for millions of Ukrainians (and potentially other peoples) and significant likelihood that it would eventually come back around to bite us in the ass. They're the ones who deserve to be dealing with this because they, as much as anyone, created this.
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Rossticus said:

I wish there was a way to dump this in Germany's lap without the inevitable tragedy that would result for millions of Ukrainians (and potentially other peoples) and significant likelihood that it would eventually come back around to bite us in the ass. They're the ones who deserve to be dealing with this because they, as much as anyone, created this.
Yeah, that worked out well in 1914 and 1939. You know where we always end up.
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Rossticus said:




Surely he can't be thinking had Germany just been given Alsace Lorraine he wouldn't have kicked off WW2.
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They are terrified of a cascading economic collapse. Ukraine losing separatist territory isn't a concern of theirs.
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Waffledynamics said:

The world leaders promoting an immediate ceasefire while Russia holds territory are repugnant. Ukraine has no reason to ceasefire. They have every reason to win. I'd like to see them singing the same tune while their country is literally being pillaged and raped. I doubt they would say the same things.
Yah, it's like a violent criminal breaks into your home, kills half your family and the government tells you to let him keep your house and car - so he doesn't kill your remaining family members.

Absolute bull*****

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PeekingDuck said:

They are terrified of a cascading economic collapse. Ukraine losing separatist territory isn't a concern of theirs.
They have other options. Ukraine does not, and a full Ukrainian victory has better long-term benefits than a Russian full or incremental victory.
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Biggest long term benefit - China sees the West is indeed dedicated to their goals. In their case, taking on Taiwan would jeopardize the spratleys and all other exotic territorial claims. All of which were rejected by international law.
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AGS-R-TUFF said:

Waffledynamics said:

The world leaders promoting an immediate ceasefire while Russia holds territory are repugnant. Ukraine has no reason to ceasefire. They have every reason to win. I'd like to see them singing the same tune while their country is literally being pillaged and raped. I doubt they would say the same things.
Yah, it's like a violent criminal breaks into your home, kills half your family and the government tells you to let him keep your house and car - so he doesn't kill your remaining family members.

Absolute bull*****




Certainly unfair but geopolitical realities aren't about what's just. We will see how Europe/NATO and the US change their position as the Russian advance peters out.
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Russia has oil, gas, nukes, and the now vanished specter of conventional warfare.

If we boycott them plus Europe and Japan and allied Asian counties, they're screwed. Goodbye aerospace industry goodbye defense industry.
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Question for the more strategically educated:

It seems like Ukraine has several fixed positions in the East. Should these be considered weak by modern strategy by nature of them being so fixed? Would it be more ideal if they were more mobile? It seems like a fixed defense is one that gets surrounded and pulverized eventually.

Is Ukraine making the right plays around Severodonetsk?
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The consensus is that offense defeats defense in general. If you don't have the ability to attack, dig in and defend. In fact if you're ever stationary, always be digging. Ukraine is still very much operating from a position of weakness which means defending for the most part.
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Translation:

" The rabble that has seized Mariupol for the sake of entertainment shoots houses and crushes the cars of local residents with tanks.

It is obvious that the Russians did not come to protect, but to rob, kill and destroy. Defenders don't act that way"

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ATX_AG_08 said:


Pardon my ignorance but what are SIMs?

TIA.
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Saw Russia Bros making fun of Ukraine using these earlier today but seem like they could be really damn useful in specific situations.

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More golden Russian state televised talking points.

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Russia really trying to legitimize their annexation efforts.

" Vice Speaker of the State Duma Kuznetsova visited Kherson"

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Waffledynamics said:

Question for the more strategically educated:

It seems like Ukraine has several fixed positions in the East. Should these be considered weak by modern strategy by nature of them being so fixed? Would it be more ideal if they were more mobile? It seems like a fixed defense is one that gets surrounded and pulverized eventually.

Is Ukraine making the right plays around Severodonetsk?


Like chess you should have a combination of both. This is UKR home so theres obvious long term need to protect assets, slow down, and or channel attacks, while also supporting your attacks while utilizing what you have (territorial defense).

I think its very notable how much digging russia has done in the east. Imo they will be happy to end this now and maintain control of what they have. They have also clearly left infantry out front in trenches to act as Forward Observation Points providing target calls for artillery. UKR Mortar and drone teams have been hammering these and morale has to be very low for red.

We have seen various pushes by red but I believe these are mostly to maintain control of what they have. As the 06 said keeping UKR fixed in defense diminishes their offense.

The macron thing is sickening and worse we haven't heard much talk about new weapons aid, specifically artillery munition restocking. In general I get the feel the more UKR pushes east the more the worlds commitment to UKR sovereignty diminishes yet more and more destruction is laid upon locations that have zero direct influence on russia maintaining control in the east and is just pure evil. macron & company need to pull their head out of their asses.

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Through Constanta?

Lots of planes have been in the area.
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aggiehawg said:

Through Constanta?

Lots of planes have been in the area.


Your guess is as good as mine on that one.
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"The Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group ambushed a Russian military column and destroyed 3 enemy armored vehicles."

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Rossticus said:



thinking long term strategy- the Russians are actually in the EASY part of the campaign right now.

Good luck protecting a 700 mile new front line from partisan/insurgent attacks once Kherson and Mariupol are part of Mother Russia.

It will be impossible for the Russians to control the entire east as they are deployed now, they will have saboteurs crossing every day to hit Russian/occupying troops just like in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria. And with the combat losses they have taken, it won't be easy to deploy 100,000 occupation troops and equipment.
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Waffledynamics said:

Question for the more strategically educated:

It seems like Ukraine has several fixed positions in the East. Should these be considered weak by modern strategy by nature of them being so fixed? Would it be more ideal if they were more mobile? It seems like a fixed defense is one that gets surrounded and pulverized eventually.

Is Ukraine making the right plays around Severodonetsk?
You are ignoring the role of air power and air supremacy. much less the large role of tube artillery in the Russian order of battle.

If this was two evenly matched militaries then you would want to have a mobile force for deep penetration of the enemy positions. Using blitzkrieg tactics to create cauldrons and encirclements.

Here, the Ukes have no real air support, and they have to worry about Russian air attacks on their forces. Frankly, it's amazing how poorly the Russians are doing at CAS and interdiction.

If you are the Ukes, until you have a massive ground to air defense system and the ability to neutralize those vulnerabilities- you would want to hunker down so that the artillery and fixed wing attack craft can't take you out
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