***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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CondensedFogAggie
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Pretty interesting article, a snapshot of what life is like on the frontlines in a unit made up of mostly volunteers.

Free link here: https://archive.ph/uFMg2#selection-357.0-362.0



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Fighting in eastern Ukraine has mostly occurred at a distance, with Ukrainian and Russian forces lobbing artillery shells at one another, sometimes from dozens of miles away. But at some points along the zigzagging eastern front, the combat becomes a vicious and intimate dance, granting enemy forces fleeting glimpses of one another as they jockey for command of hills and makeshift redoubts in towns and villages blasted apart by shells.

On Wednesday, one such dance played out as a Russian unit of about 10 men entered the village where soldiers from a Ukrainian contingent, the Carpathian Sich Battalion, had dug in. In all likelihood, the Russian troops were there to identify targets for incoming tank fire, including the round that jolted the Ukrainian soldiers into action. Ukrainian forces spotted the Russian soldiers and opened fire, pushing them back.

The war machines rarely remain quiet for long. Tanks in particular have become a serious menace, fighters said, often coming within a mile of the battalion's positions and wreaking absolute havoc. Already this month, 13 soldiers with the battalion have been killed and more than 60 wounded.

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The 60mm mortar is typically fielded at the infantry company level. A small mortar section with two mortars is organic to Army rifle companies (light, airborne, air assault) and Ranger companies. Marine rifle companies have a section with three 60mm mortars in the company weapons platoon.

The mortar can fire a sustained 20 rounds-per-minute with 30 rounds-per-minute in certain circumstances and for short durations. The ranges for the M224 extend from 70 meters to 1,340 meters(4,396 feet) for hand-held firing and 3,490 meters(11,482 feet) for the conventional firing mode. A crew of three can operate the mortar extremely efficiently.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

From Russias perspective this isn't a pointless war. This is a war for survival.

Dying demographics.
Paranoid fear of invasion (supported by history)
Massive natural resources, but very weak defense.

Russia needs security, population and the O&G + Ag resources from Ukraine to keep the EU under their boot and addicted by cheap resources.

Ukraine was supposed to be pushover with very little international objection (also based on recent history).

Oops.

Realistically though, what survival?

  • NATO was never going to invade Russia whether or not Ukraine joined.
  • 25,000 combat deaths, probably double wounded, and every last one with PTSD is going to murder their demographics tree.
  • And why invade the neighbor of your customers, who were perfectly happy buying all the oil and gas you're selling?
  • Russia alone has more than enough resources for the oligarchs to be rich forever.

At every single ****ing level this is a completely pointless war that's only happening because a pathetic senile ex-KGB psychopath mass murderer had insane delusions of resurrecting the 18th century Imperial Russian Empire with him as Tsar, to catastrophic results for everyone unfortunate enough to be dragged into this abomination of a ****show.
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Rossticus said:




This was China's plan.

Russia is resource rich.

They encourage a dumb **** move by Putin with assurances of Chinese help.

Then they reneg.

Then they eat the Russian carcass after it begins to die.

Russia can't stop it. By then they will be too weak.

The rest of the world will enjoy Russia having to sell off valuable pieces of itself as punishment for what they did to Ukraine.

China wins.
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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

From Russias perspective this isn't a pointless war. This is a war for survival.

Dying demographics.
Paranoid fear of invasion (supported by history)
Massive natural resources, but very weak defense.

Russia needs security, population and the O&G + Ag resources from Ukraine to keep the EU under their boot and addicted by cheap resources.

Ukraine was supposed to be pushover with very little international objection (also based on recent history).

Oops.

Realistically though, what survival?

  • NATO was never going to invade Russia.
  • 25,000 combat deaths, probably double wounded, and every last one with PTSD is going to murder their demographics tree.
  • And why invade the neighbor of your customers, who were perfectly happy buying all the oil and gas you're selling?
  • Russia alone has more than enough resources for the oligarchs to be rich forever.

At every single ****ing level this is a completely pointless war that's only happening because a pathetic senile ex-KGB psychopath mass murderer had insane delusions of resurrecting the 18th century Imperial Russian Empire with him as Tsar, to horrific results for everyone.


It's a dying country. Average lifespan of men is 59. Mostly uneducated, unkilled, and if Ukraine developed its O&G resources it would undercut Russia. They are extremely vulnerable and had to invade (what they thought would be a 3 day pushover excursion). NATO wasn't going to invade. But their paranoia wouldn't accept that.

You have to see the world as they do to understand why. I'm not saying they're right, and this will be incredibly costly. It's also going to, and is daily. Goin to cost us a ****load because the EU is comprised and people dumber than Biden. Which is hard to grasp, but their greed binded them to Putin for cheap resources while they gutted their own domestic sources.

And our pain is just beginning.
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AlaskanAg99
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I posted this reply weeks ago. One of my bosses (and there are many) went from a tank commander (whatever controls 1 tank) to a company captain (which he left the army at)..before he left my org I had a chance to talk to him. And I asked about his impressions of the current situation (3+ weeks ago).


And he just laughed and laughed and laughed. He said we thought the had a cohesive combined arms strategy. They are the most incompetent standard army and the trained against an enemy of their same level. The US or some NATO (not germany) would wipe the floor with combined arms.
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The Russians doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is comical at this point. And completely expected by Ukraine, apparently.
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I posted this reply weeks ago. One of my bosses (and there are many) went from a tank commander (whatever controls 1 tank) to a company captain (which he left the army at)..before he left my org I had a chance to talk to him. And I asked about his impressions of the current situation (3+ weeks ago).


And he just laughed and laughed and laughed. He said we thought the had a cohesive combined arms strategy. They are the most incompetent standard army and the trained against an enemy of their same level. The US or some NATO (not germany) would wipe the floor with combined arms.
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MeatDr said:

The Russians doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is comical at this point. And completely expected by Ukraine, apparently.


"ONE OUT OF TWO GETS A BRIDGE!
THE ONE WITH A BRIDGE CROSSES
THE ONE WITHOUT FOLLOWS HIM
WHEN THE ONE WITH A BRIDGE EXPLODES
THE ONE WHO IS FOLLOWING PICKS UP THE BRIDGE AND CROSSES!"
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I don't think were giving them enough credit here. Going from 70+ losses to less than 5 is a significant improvement…..and the courage for these guys to pass by 70 destroyed vehicles hundreds of dead is notable or maybe they will find a few shot in the back.
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CondensedFoggyAggie said:


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The 60mm mortar is typically fielded at the infantry company level. A small mortar section with two mortars is organic to Army rifle companies (light, airborne, air assault) and Ranger companies. Marine rifle companies have a section with three 60mm mortars in the company weapons platoon.

The mortar can fire a sustained 20 rounds-per-minute with 30 rounds-per-minute in certain circumstances and for short durations. The ranges for the M224 extend from 70 meters to 1,340 meters(4,396 feet) for hand-held firing and 3,490 meters(11,482 feet) for the conventional firing mode. A crew of three can operate the mortar extremely efficiently.



Ahhh...the deadly and reliable potato gun of the infantry. Foomp. Foomp. .......BOOOM. BOOOM.
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A little good news from my backpack building colleagues in Cologne, Germany.

"***BACKPACK #1,000***

A few weeks ago we asked Cassandra to "prepare" backpack number 1,000. And like a disco ball, it sat in studio 7 waiting for today…. Just like Cassandra, you can't miss backpack 1000, its cool, chic, and totally designed for an awesome little girl!

Olja Ruppel left Estonia when she was 17 and immigrated to Germany. She is married to Glenn (who loves to hunt), and has a son named Evan. She is employed by the city of Koln and works in the accounting department. When the city organized their emergency response services, she was quickly called upon because of her Russian Language skills. With both feet she dived into the job of setting up the refugee center that you see now. It was through her persistence that a nursery was established, and a large area for children to play, color and have their own little area. And it was Olja who embraced Operation BackPack4Kids and welcomed us like partners. From the very beginning she treated our people like ambassadors. She worked countless hours of overtime and put her heart and soul into helping the Ukrainian refugees. It was Olja who was thinking outside the box and asked for the school backpacks a few weeks ago. The obvious choice was made…

It was only fitting that she hand out the golden backpack to Alicia. She is 6 years old and is from Chernihiv. She came to Germany 4 weeks ago with her mother and her brother Viktor. We told Olja earlier that she could give the backpack to any girl she wanted, it was her choice. Within seconds of us arriving at a small town outside Koln, Olja spotted Alicia in the back of the crowd, holding her mothers leg. She found her girl, and the rest? We'll let the photos speak for themselves.



[DISCLAIMER]
We have actually given out 1,622 backpacks. We gave 218 out today to children in two different towns. When we were 20 short… the van went back for more! We made sure everyone got a backpack today.

What you have done… is beyond words. We hope that you share these photos and stories with your family and friends and show them what can happen when good people pull the rope in the same direction. Thank you everyone, words cannot explain what is happening here."

Thanks to anyone who has donated to this cause. The pilots running it are either there on their own dime, or are giving up some of their down time in Cologne to build backpacks. I can't get the pics to upload here.
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This doesn't seem like it would be very effective at all when you compare to what the Ukrainians are using? It also looks like it's not even mounted when they actually launch the UAV. With it being such a light aircraft, would putting these on just one wing cause balance issues?

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I said this the 2nd week of the war. China goaded Russia into this a little bit with promises of x, y, and z then pulled the rug out from under it all when it Ukraine was shown to have a spine and fighting spirit.

Now China is like, well this worked out better for us, we'll just take over Russia once the dust settles.
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New company commander decided he liked being a battalion commander after all. Or maybe all of the other battalion commanders were making fun of him.
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nortex97 said:



I mean, give the Reds a break. It's not like they've had 1,000 years to learn from Stirling Bridge...
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Something I have noticed in the Eastern part of the country is that there are towns with duplicate names that aren't all that far from each other. There are two Oleksandrivkas, two Rubizhnes, etc. It's important to clarify and understand which one we're talking about as these towns are changing hands.
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This seemed apropos

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As a tactical issue, Putin's not declaring war as expected on May 9th will continue to have repercussions. For instance.

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When the soldiers of an elite Russian army brigade were told in early April to prepare for a second deployment to Ukraine, fear broke out among the ranks.

The unit, stationed in Russia's far east during peacetime, first entered Ukraine from Belarus when the war started at the end of February and saw bitter combat with Ukrainian forces.

"It soon became clear that not everyone was onboard with it. Many of us simply did not want to go back," said Dmitri, a member of the unit who asked not to be identified with his real name. "I want to return to my family and not in a casket."

Along with eight others, Dmitri told his commanders that he refused to rejoin the invasion. "They were furious. But they eventually calmed down because there wasn't much they could do," he said.
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He was soon transferred to Belgorod, a Russian city close to the border with Ukraine, where he has been stationed since. "I have served for five years in the army. My contract ends in June. I will serve my remaining time and then I am out of here," he said. "I have nothing to be ashamed of. We aren't officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go."

Dmitri's refusal to fight highlights some of the military difficulties the Russian army has faced as a result of the Kremlin's political decision not to formally declare war on Ukraine preferring instead to describe the invasion, which will soon reach its fourth month, as a "special military operation".

Under Russian military rules, troops who refuse to fight in Ukraine can face dismissal but cannot be prosecuted, said Mikhail Benyash, a lawyer who has been advising soldiers who choose that option.
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Russia just needs a "global war on terror" that lasts 20 years so they are always in a state of war. Rookies.
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They think Russian laws will protect them?!
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Keegan99 said:

They think Russian laws will protect them?!
Point being, he's served 5 years, making him one of the few more experienced soldiers Russia has. Not easily replaceable.
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aggiehawg said:

Keegan99 said:

They think Russian laws will protect them?!
Point being, he's served 5 years, making him one of the few more experienced soldiers Russia has. Not easily replaceable.


Point being, he's not going home unless they let him go home. His contract end date doesn't matter.
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Keegan99 said:

aggiehawg said:

Keegan99 said:

They think Russian laws will protect them?!
Point being, he's served 5 years, making him one of the few more experienced soldiers Russia has. Not easily replaceable.


Point being, he's not going home unless they let him go home. His contract end date doesn't matter.
From what I've seen it is entirely possible he may just lay down his rifle and start walking back home when his term is up, officially released or no.
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Demosthenes81 said:

Keegan99 said:

aggiehawg said:

Keegan99 said:

They think Russian laws will protect them?!
Point being, he's served 5 years, making him one of the few more experienced soldiers Russia has. Not easily replaceable.


Point being, he's not going home unless they let him go home. His contract end date doesn't matter.
From what I've seen it is entirely possible he may just lay down his rifle and start walking back home when his term is up, officially released or no.
Yeah, I took what he said to mean when his term was up he was planning to "peace out" of his unit and make his way home.
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txags92 said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Keegan99 said:

aggiehawg said:

Keegan99 said:

They think Russian laws will protect them?!
Point being, he's served 5 years, making him one of the few more experienced soldiers Russia has. Not easily replaceable.


Point being, he's not going home unless they let him go home. His contract end date doesn't matter.
From what I've seen it is entirely possible he may just lay down his rifle and start walking back home when his term is up, officially released or no.
Yeah, I took what he said to mean when his term was up he was planning to "peace out" of his unit and make his way home.

And I doubt any other soldiers are going to be willing to enforce making him stay after his contract is up. Not really in their best interest to set that precedent.
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EDIT. There seem to be discrepancies regarding intent of Zelensky's comment within the broader context of the interview question. Can't tell if he was implying Macron or if this really was a more generic statement than was initially purported. "Lost in translation" continues to be a problem. Adding text of comment below.








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ABATTBQ11 said:

txags92 said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Keegan99 said:

aggiehawg said:

Keegan99 said:

They think Russian laws will protect them?!
Point being, he's served 5 years, making him one of the few more experienced soldiers Russia has. Not easily replaceable.


Point being, he's not going home unless they let him go home. His contract end date doesn't matter.
From what I've seen it is entirely possible he may just lay down his rifle and start walking back home when his term is up, officially released or no.
Yeah, I took what he said to mean when his term was up he was planning to "peace out" of his unit and make his way home.

And I doubt any other soldiers are going to be willing to enforce making him stay after his contract is up. Not really in their best interest to set that precedent.
That is why the y have the Chechens there...to ride herd from behind and shoot anybody who tries to bail out as an example to encourage the others.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

txags92 said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Keegan99 said:

aggiehawg said:

Keegan99 said:

They think Russian laws will protect them?!
Point being, he's served 5 years, making him one of the few more experienced soldiers Russia has. Not easily replaceable.


Point being, he's not going home unless they let him go home. His contract end date doesn't matter.
From what I've seen it is entirely possible he may just lay down his rifle and start walking back home when his term is up, officially released or no.
Yeah, I took what he said to mean when his term was up he was planning to "peace out" of his unit and make his way home.

And I doubt any other soldiers are going to be willing to enforce making him stay after his contract is up. Not really in their best interest to set that precedent.


I'm also not sure he's safe at home. Being ordered to stay and then deserting sounds like a good way for you and maybe your family to end up gulag'd.

The idea that Russian "law" or "contracts" mean anything beyond what Putin says they mean is foolish.
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