***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Is this what 1914 and '35-'39 felt like?
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AgBQ-00 said:

Is this what 1914 and '35-'39 felt like?
No. Poland won't get rolled up by either Russia or Germany. They would punch either or both in the nose so hard they would run crying to the UN. Nos eastern block countries would be right along with them. Not 1914 or 1930's lightweights anymore
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AgBQ-00 said:

Is this what 1914 and '35-'39 felt like?
Get an old copy of Inside Europe by John Gunther from the late 1930's to see what Europe felt like in the lead-up to WWII. Gunther was an American reporter who travelled everywhere, talked to people high and low, and captured what things were like in very readable form. From what I remember (haven't read it in awhile), Europe felt pretty much like a bomb waiting to explode, and everyone knew that something big was coming. The book went through many editions, being revised as events changed.

The writing is entertaining, to say the least. For instance: "Hungary - nothing could be sillier - declared war on the U.S. on December 13, 1941. The U.S. did not get around to declaring war back until six months later."
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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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I would think most artillery systems require the same general maintenance, just like an IC engine requires the same lubrication between ford and chevy.


My experience was with the older M198 guns but generally speaking, almost all the serious maintenance problems with tube artillery center on the recoil mechanisms and calibration of the fire control alignmnet.

The recoil and elevation mechanisms rely on hydraulics and pneumatics to absorb the recoil and assist in raising, lowering, and traversing the tube. The seals are the most common point of failure. The M198 used 1650psi nitrogen in the equilibrators to make it possible to use a hand crank to levatethe 9000 pound tube. The M777 is a lot lighter but it probably as a lot of hydraulic seals that can go bad.

They US should be providing lots of spare seals, hydraulic fluid, and gas cylinders (if the M777 is similar to the M198).


Thank you for the info.

Curious, would someone with a similar background and experience as you be highly in demand in the Ukraine with all these NATO artillery pieces, some of it a bit dated, rolling in? Could you immediately operate some of this stuff given a team that spoke some English?


Many veterans could and they could train Ukrainiaa vehicle crews and gun crews. There is enough similarity between Russian and NATO artillery that once the Ukrainians got a basic familiarity they could do the gunnery. I am guessing that the Ukrainians in the fire direction centers will have to be able to read English in order to use the AFATDS that computes the fire solution. They could use manual gunnery techniques (a.k.a. "charts & darts") but that would require a lot more English skills to read the tabular firing tables than operating AFATDS would.

In addition to the hardware and parts, one ofthe most useful services thar the US and NATO old assemble for the Ukrainians is a contractor support package similar to the LOGCAP (Logisitics Civil Augmentation Package) through which a great deal of equipment maintenance and repair is provided to the US military.

LOGCAP contractors are mostly former NCOs from technical MOS's that know the equipment backward and forward and keep it in working order for the users. They aren't on the front lines but they are not far away at a FOB where equipment can be brought for repair and troubleshooting. Here's a link to a description of the LOGCAP IV contract that supports the US Army.

https://www.amentum.com/project/logistics-civil-augmentation-program-logcap-iv/

Contractor logistics looks expensive until you realize how quickly broken stuff piles up while you wait for someone qualified to fix it. Contractors keep the trigger pullers in the fight so that they don't have to turn wrenches.
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I will check it out. Thanks!
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UK giving Russia a clear middle finger here.

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Rossticus said:




Here's hoping that Victory Parade is placed on a permanent hold.
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Read the text. Gave me goosebumps. Aggies doing Aggie things, methinks. If either of y'all happen to TexAgs, God bless y'all!

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Rossticus said:


Russia is already in trouble. If the rest of Europe figures out how to do without Russian oil and gas, they are well and truly ****ed. And Putin won't last 2 weeks.
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What's the end-game of getting Transnistria involved? Start another front against the Ukes?
How are the Russians going to transport soldiers there?
They have about 8000 but that's not a large number.

And Bulgaria paying the price for voting with the EU?
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deddog said:

Rossticus said:


Russia is already in trouble. If the rest of Europe figures out how to do without Russian oil and gas, they are well and truly ****ed. And Putin won't last 2 weeks.
they are going to do without, there is no magic wand too replace hydrocarbon energy. No wind mills or solar panels can replace the BTU produced by natural gas. No other pipelines, They have nothing but hot air.
Winter is coming to an end but it is still cold and those plants run on Russia natural gas, no one need to go into work today.
Europe being Europe, making deals with the devil.

maybe Poland and the rest of Europe will man up and help Ukraine finish the job.

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They have to take Moldova to close a gap and then turn north to NATO countries. Ukraine and Moldova are just the appetizers.
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Yep. Europe could go a long way toward addressing their Russia issues with a Ukrainian win and subsequent euro integration. Ukrainian energy reserves would be of massive strategic benefit to Europe and massive economic benefit to Ukraine. Much better long term strategy than Russian energy dependence.
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If our intelligence agencies are worth their weight in salt, they should have had a pretty good idea months ago that the Russian buildup was likely to turn into an invasion. If they briefed the President and congressional leaders as such, those leaders should have been making contingency plans that included how to sell Europe NG to give them another option other than Russian supplies.

Converting current maritime assets to NG transport ships or fastracking production of new NG transports should have been a priority. Maybe it was and they are working on it and we just don't know but if not, somebody needs their ass kicked between their ears.
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Ag97 said:

If our intelligence agencies are worth their weight in salt, they should have had a pretty good idea months ago that the Russian buildup was likely to turn into an invasion. If they briefed the President and congressional leaders as such, those leaders should have been making contingency plans that included how to sell Europe NG to give them another option other than Russian supplies.

Converting current maritime assets to NG transport ships or fastracking production of new NG transports should have been a priority. Maybe it was and they are working on it and we just don't know but if not, somebody needs their ass kicked between their ears.
I think the main barrier is offloading and storage facilities in Europe (particularly Germany), not the availability of transport capacity.
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txags92 said:

Ag97 said:

If our intelligence agencies are worth their weight in salt, they should have had a pretty good idea months ago that the Russian buildup was likely to turn into an invasion. If they briefed the President and congressional leaders as such, those leaders should have been making contingency plans that included how to sell Europe NG to give them another option other than Russian supplies.

Converting current maritime assets to NG transport ships or fastracking production of new NG transports should have been a priority. Maybe it was and they are working on it and we just don't know but if not, somebody needs their ass kicked between their ears.
I think the main barrier is offloading and storage facilities in Europe (particularly Germany), not the availability of transport capacity.
I'm no engineer, but I would think land based storage facilities would be fairly simple to design and build? Germans are known for their ingenuity, maybe they need to take some of their global warming brainpower and redirect it to NG storage problems so they don't freeze their butts off next winter.
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Apparently, Bulgaria has some gas reserves and was already scheduled to be supplied with some gas from Azerbaijan beginning this summer.
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Ag97 said:

txags92 said:

Ag97 said:

If our intelligence agencies are worth their weight in salt, they should have had a pretty good idea months ago that the Russian buildup was likely to turn into an invasion. If they briefed the President and congressional leaders as such, those leaders should have been making contingency plans that included how to sell Europe NG to give them another option other than Russian supplies.

Converting current maritime assets to NG transport ships or fastracking production of new NG transports should have been a priority. Maybe it was and they are working on it and we just don't know but if not, somebody needs their ass kicked between their ears.
I think the main barrier is offloading and storage facilities in Europe (particularly Germany), not the availability of transport capacity.
I'm no engineer, but I would think land based storage facilities would be fairly simple to design and build? Germans are known for their ingenuity, maybe they need to take some of their global warming brainpower and redirect it to NG storage problems so they freeze their butts off next winter.
Natural gas storage isn't like storing crude. An undergrad could design crude tanks but the spherical natural gas tanks are a bit more complex to design and manufacture.
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Ag97 said:

txags92 said:

Ag97 said:

If our intelligence agencies are worth their weight in salt, they should have had a pretty good idea months ago that the Russian buildup was likely to turn into an invasion. If they briefed the President and congressional leaders as such, those leaders should have been making contingency plans that included how to sell Europe NG to give them another option other than Russian supplies.

Converting current maritime assets to NG transport ships or fastracking production of new NG transports should have been a priority. Maybe it was and they are working on it and we just don't know but if not, somebody needs their ass kicked between their ears.
I think the main barrier is offloading and storage facilities in Europe (particularly Germany), not the availability of transport capacity.
I'm no engineer, but I would think land based storage facilities would be fairly simple to design and build? Germans are known for their ingenuity, maybe they need to take some of their global warming brainpower and redirect it to NG storage problems so they freeze their butts off next winter.
You can lead a horse to water...but Germany was dead set on getting their gas from Russia, and until this invasion, our senior leadership was dead set on helping them. Without getting too off course into politics, we warned the Germans that relying on Russia for gas was a bad strategy, and that Nord Stream II would only make it worse. Germany went all in on it, and our current leadership gave it the green light. If they had listened to the leadership we previously had telling them what a bad idea it was to be in bed with Putin for their gas supplies, they would have already built a bunch of terminals and would be using gas from the Eagleford right now.. Instead of overseeing the genocide of a sovereign country, Putin would be trying to find two nickels to rub together while he dreamed of a Soviet resurgence as soon as he found a way to make money off of his relationship with the Chinese.
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74OA said:

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Russian armor is still incoming, may you get them all with zero losses, Ukraine.
It amazes me that whoever is in that car can just drive right past those tanks with nothing happening to them.
Particularly as Ukraine has given its citizens an app to quickly report locations of Russian forces and which correlates the individual reports to help provide an overall intel picture.
Maybe an inept Russian battalion commander
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Ag97 said:

txags92 said:

Ag97 said:

If our intelligence agencies are worth their weight in salt, they should have had a pretty good idea months ago that the Russian buildup was likely to turn into an invasion. If they briefed the President and congressional leaders as such, those leaders should have been making contingency plans that included how to sell Europe NG to give them another option other than Russian supplies.

Converting current maritime assets to NG transport ships or fastracking production of new NG transports should have been a priority. Maybe it was and they are working on it and we just don't know but if not, somebody needs their ass kicked between their ears.
I think the main barrier is offloading and storage facilities in Europe (particularly Germany), not the availability of transport capacity.
I'm no engineer, but I would think land based storage facilities would be fairly simple to design and build? Germans are known for their ingenuity, maybe they need to take some of their global warming brainpower and redirect it to NG storage problems so they don't freeze their butts off next winter.
Germany has plenty of natural gas storage capacity. What it doesn't have is the ability to re-gasify LNG for storage in those facilities.

That's why Germany is trying to rent three floating LNG regasification facilities in the near term, and is committed to building two on-shore facilities long-term.
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MeatDr said:


Did he eject his burning drop tanks? Is that the explosion on the fleeing Su-25?

Also, dogfight between Su-25s? Things i never thought i'd read....
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Flares. And it's much more likely it's just a section leaving together and the chase, damage, and dogfight are made up
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GAC06 said:

Flares. And it's much more likely it's just a section leaving together and the chase, damage, and dogfight are made up
Thanks, aven't seen that.
Damage seems legit? That's a lot of smoke, even for a Russian engine - and Su-25s don't have afterburners, i don't think. But yeah, it could just be his buddy behind him.
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Can't imagine the Ukes would waste a precious Frogfoot sortie on an air-to-air mission but I guess stranger things have happened.
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U.S. intel helped Ukraine protect air defenses, shoot down Russian plane carrying hundreds of troops



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As Russia launched its invasion, the U.S. gave Ukrainian forces detailed intelligence about exactly when and where Russian missiles and bombs were intended to strike, prompting Ukraine to move air defenses and aircraft out of harm's way, current and former U.S. officials told NBC News.

That near real-time intelligence-sharing also paved the way for Ukraine to shoot down a Russian transport plane carrying hundreds of troops in the early days of the war, the officials say, helping repel a Russian assault on a key airport near Kyiv.

In a statement, a spokesperson for the White House National Security Council said, "We are regularly providing detailed, timely intelligence to the Ukrainians on the battlefield to help them defend their country against Russian aggression and will continue to do so."

Ukraine continues to move air defenses and aircraft nearly every day with the help of American intelligence, which is one reason Russia has not been able to establish air dominance. In some cases, Ukraine moved the targeted air defense systems or planes just in time, the officials said.
"The Russian military has literally been cratering empty fields where air defenses were once set up," one U.S. official said. "It has had an enormous impact on the Russian military's ability on the ground."

While U.S.-Ukrainian cooperation had been building since Russia seized Crimea in 2014, the Biden administration shifted into high gear in the weeks before the Russian invasion, when a U.S. military team visited to assess the state of Ukraine's air defenses. The Americans provided Ukraine with detailed advice about how to disperse their air defense systems, a move that U.S. officials say helped Ukraine prevent Russia from seizing control of the skies.

Ukrainian forces have used specific coordinates shared by the U.S. to direct fire on Russian positions and aircraft, current and former officials tell NBC News.
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lb3 said:

Ag97 said:

txags92 said:

Ag97 said:

If our intelligence agencies are worth their weight in salt, they should have had a pretty good idea months ago that the Russian buildup was likely to turn into an invasion. If they briefed the President and congressional leaders as such, those leaders should have been making contingency plans that included how to sell Europe NG to give them another option other than Russian supplies.

Converting current maritime assets to NG transport ships or fastracking production of new NG transports should have been a priority. Maybe it was and they are working on it and we just don't know but if not, somebody needs their ass kicked between their ears.
I think the main barrier is offloading and storage facilities in Europe (particularly Germany), not the availability of transport capacity.
I'm no engineer, but I would think land based storage facilities would be fairly simple to design and build? Germans are known for their ingenuity, maybe they need to take some of their global warming brainpower and redirect it to NG storage problems so they freeze their butts off next winter.
Natural gas storage isn't like storing crude. An undergrad could design crude tanks but the spherical natural gas tanks are a bit more complex to design and manufacture.
Any salt domes over there to store natural gas in? As in Mt. Belvieu Tx. And several others nearby.
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